Posted on 01/05/2009 5:38:42 PM PST by rabscuttle385
Fine let all the rats jump ship and kick Bush when he’s down. We’ve been supporting him for 8 years; now let’s all stab him in the back and pretend that we didn’t.
I’m sorry; THIS gal doesn’t do that.
It did work, but only until Reagan left office. The GOP has been moving Left ever since.
Kick the neocons back to the Donkey Party where they belong, and lets get back to "hard realism." Leave idealistic crusades to fools...
There is nothing moral about using Government to coerce other individuals into going along with your plans or your viewpoint as to what is and is not moral. Otherwise, the sort of reasoning you suggest can be used to justify such nasty things as the recent bailouts.
Conservatism "died" in 1932 and again in 1964.
It's the mistakes liberals make that keep breathing life into conservatism.
>”you people”
-what do you mean by “you people”, big momma? ;)
>”you people”
-what do you mean by “you people”, big momma? ;)
The younger of the 2 suggested “it has no effect on my life” and believes his one vote in meaningless.
The other didn’t bother because McCain didn’t have a chance in Illinois anyway.
“I also hope libs realize their party is corrupt and dysfunctional”
I hope they don’t and implode.
“Is Conservatism Dead?”
No, but it’s on life support in the GOP.
Yes. but when conservatives supported those who faked it, as the lesser of two evils, they will suffer also. It guilt by association.
And the chances of the GOP doing exactly that are?????
Based upon recent history, I am not holding my breath.
“And the chances of the GOP doing exactly that are?????
Based upon recent history, I am not holding my breath.”
And what better alternatives do you have to offer?
Based upon recent history, 3rd parties are a waste of effort and money and votes.
There are 535 separate races. Three apply directly to you.
One House and two Senate.
Instead of holding one’s breath, get involved locally.
Many pundits said the dems were down for the count in Nov. 2004.
They got up and became very effective politically, and in four years took over the government.
How did they do that? Did one faction of the dem party take over? No. All factions united toward the common goal of winning.
And what does one hear from the conservative faction? Not of winning, but of ousting people as representatives and as voters.
Hardly rational political thought, when you need MORE votes, not less.
Its not conservatives who are pushing neocons and moderates out of the GOP. Its the other way around. Conservatives have been given short shrift from the Republicans. Pseudo-conservatives were, and still are, in control of the GOP and have pushed conservatives aside.
Conservatives, despite their displeasure, stood by the likes of Bush and McCain. If fact we stood so close by them that when the Republican party put a gun to its head and pulled the trigger, the bullet went right through and wounded us.
Trying to change the Republican party from within is a losing battle.
“Trying to change the Republican party from within is a losing battle.”
Your alternative, for the second time?
And your prediction for the results, of your alternative?
Timetable, number of elected representatives?
How many in the US House and Senate got elected from a 3rd party, now and in “recent history?”
Most of what I hear from “true conservatives” is moaning about their demise, blaming the media, blaming other Republicans by name calling, threats to go do something non-sensical, and more blaming.
I seldom hear about rational, planned, effective efforts.
** By the way, in my adult life the GOP HAS BEEN changed. It is now dominated by southern white Christians. Thirty-five years ago those folks were democrats.
And the people who were Republicans 35 years ago are the ones that many want to push out of the party, now.
All I say is that everybody has to STAY IN the party, find common ground, and work towards winning.
Conservatives should organize at the grass roots level outside of the Republican party. I am not talking about a third party. Our grass roots efforts should be about fund raising to be distributed to selected candidates who actually votes appropriately - regardless of party. This system works well for left wing groups - such as environmental advocates - why not for conservatives. Clearly the current method of supporting Republican candidates has failed. Make Republicans earn our money.
The timetable for the above could yield results as early as the next election. Even if we don't achieve immediate success, we need to worry less about instant gratification and more about long term success. On a longer time scale, conservatism must work to change peoples way of thinking, also at the grass roots level. This may take many years, but so what. The left has been working at their grass roots for nearly 50 years and are not about to stop and they don't seem to worry about a timetable. Any list of left wing acronyms would fill several pages. Conservatives have very little of such efforts going. We complain about the left wing media and left wing education, without ever analyzing how they got there and trying to duplicate their success.
We have tried to move the Republican party to the right from within. However, we have been frustrated many times, because once in power, they see their future elsewhere. Lets try moving the party to the right from the outside, like so many left wing organizations do. We may just see some success.
Next election I don't want to hear "we have to vote for so and so because the alternative is worse. We did that and got the alternative anyway. Rather, I want the candidates to say, I need to move to the right and stay there, or a large group of people will walk away from me and deny me their money and support.
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