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Fake money isnít what it used to be[Todayís sad-sack counterfeiters]
The Kansas City Star ^ | 25 Dec 2008 | JOE LAMBE

Posted on 01/06/2009 9:56:25 AM PST by BGHater

The Secret Service agent in Kansas City peered hard at a counterfeit $100 bill, ran a finger over it and grimaced in disgust.

It was bad, ugly work.

“Too slick, too,” said Charles Green, special agent in charge.

More counterfeiters are using today’s ink-jet printers, computers and copiers to make money that’s just good enough to pass, he said, even though their product is awful.

In the past, he said, the best American counterfeiters were skilled printers who used heavy offset presses to turn out decent 20s, 50s and 100s. Now that kind of work is rare and almost all comes from abroad.

Among American thieves, the 22-year veteran said sadly, “it’s a lost art.”

But as art fades, greed goes on. Ink-jet counterfeiting is thriving.

Part of the problem, Green said, is that the government has changed the money so much to foil counterfeiting. With all the new bills out there, citizens and even many police officers don’t know what they’re supposed to look like.

Moreover, many people see paper money less because they use credit or debit cards.

The result: Ink-jet counterfeiting accounted for 60 percent of $103 million in fake money removed from circulation from October 2007 to August 2008, the Secret Service reports. In 1995, the figure was less than 1 percent.

No other kind hits the Kansas City area, Green said, except a rare “floater” fake that comes in from New York or some other coastal metropolis.

Counterfeiting is a constant problem that gets worse during a slow economy. The 15 Secret Service agents in Kansas City collect an average of $300,000 in fake bills in the metro area each year, he said.

But Green shook his head. Some fake bills nowadays are for $5 and $10 — even $1.

“It’s crazy.”

An era passes

(Excerpt) Read more at kansascity.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: counterfeiting; money; secretservice
Sad. We can't domestically produce quality fake money. We have to import fake money now.
1 posted on 01/06/2009 9:56:26 AM PST by BGHater
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To: BGHater
Some fake bills nowadays are for $5 and $10 — even $1

OK... $1 fake bills? Somewhere there is a village missing an idiot...

2 posted on 01/06/2009 9:59:21 AM PST by John123 (The US may be going down the drain, but everyone else will drown first...)
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To: BGHater

We should have these “fine folks” keep printing money so we can bail ourselves out.....


3 posted on 01/06/2009 10:00:08 AM PST by Cyclone59
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To: BGHater

US needs to get with the times and start using polymer currency. Check out Australia currency


4 posted on 01/06/2009 10:00:27 AM PST by 4rcane
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To: John123
OK... $1 fake bills? Somewhere there is a village missing an idiot...

Are they trying to fool people, or just running a few on a color copier to fool a vending machine?

5 posted on 01/06/2009 10:03:04 AM PST by KarlInOhio (On 9/11 Israel mourned with us while the Palestinians danced in the streets. Who should we support?)
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To: BGHater

They’re just following the Fed’s lead, printing fiat money. Not that I’m in favor of counterfeiting, but they’re doing just what the Fed is doing. Only differences is that 1) they’re not “government” and 2) their quality sucks.


6 posted on 01/06/2009 10:04:28 AM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: BGHater

Ben’s printing enough fake money for everyone. And he can do it more cheaply than the counterfeiters. It’s simple competition.


7 posted on 01/06/2009 10:08:04 AM PST by mysterio
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To: John123
OK... $1 fake bills? Somewhere there is a village missing an idiot...

Probably printed for investing in the lottery.

8 posted on 01/06/2009 10:09:13 AM PST by krb (Obama is a miserable failure.)
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To: KarlInOhio

Many businesses check larger bills, even 20’s. They don’t have time to test every $1 bill.


9 posted on 01/06/2009 10:09:26 AM PST by gieriscm (07 FFL / 02 SOT - www.extremefirepower.com)
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To: BGHater

A few days ago, I paid for something at Wal-Mart with a $5 bill. To my surprise, she took out a pen and made a mark across it.

Really felt insulted as I had never even heard of a $5 counterfeit. I guess they are out there tho.


10 posted on 01/06/2009 10:11:28 AM PST by yarddog
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To: BGHater; All

EASY way to identify counterfeit money.....the clothing of the individual on the bill will be smooth.....on REAL money, the clothing has ridges....i.e. texture....counterfeiters cannot replicate that very easily.


11 posted on 01/06/2009 10:15:03 AM PST by goodnesswins (Tell the truth - GOEBBELIZATION (propaganda) is what many voters suffer from.....)
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To: yarddog
Funny that you mention that.

I always ask the cashier if they have ever found a fake bill after they check mine. Only a few have said yes. But they are out there.

12 posted on 01/06/2009 10:15:08 AM PST by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: John123
OK... $1 fake bills? Somewhere there is a village missing an idiot

The $5.00 and $1.00 are for change machines. If the bill gets rejected there is no witness to convict you. If it works you pick up 99% profit. Then head to the grocery store with a change counting machine. No interaction with other humans at any point. A group of teenagers hit the change machines at the rest stops along interstate 94. IIRC the cleared over 10 grand in one weekend. Fortunately they were so stupid as to try to hit the exact same rest stops again a week later, where of course the Secret Service was waiting for them.
13 posted on 01/06/2009 10:18:18 AM PST by GonzoGOP (There are millions of paranoid people in the world and they are all out to get me.)
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To: mysterio

Fake money....It’s all fake now!


14 posted on 01/06/2009 10:29:26 AM PST by refermech
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To: BGHater

These people are just engaging in monetary policy...


15 posted on 01/06/2009 10:32:50 AM PST by JamesP81 (Let the Great RINO Hunt of 2009 begin)
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To: John123
OK... $1 fake bills? Somewhere there is a village missing an idiot...

Yep, and I believe that the penalty is exactly the same for $100's as $1's.

Idiot. Go Big or don't bother.

16 posted on 01/06/2009 10:33:09 AM PST by wbill
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To: KarlInOhio
or just running a few on a color copier to fool a vending machine?

Not that easy, need to use magnetic ink, I think.

The vending machine reads the ink, not the picture on the bill. Or at least it used to, times have changed.

17 posted on 01/06/2009 10:34:27 AM PST by wbill
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To: John123

I saw somewhat get caught passing a fake $1.00 bill once. She didn’t know it was a fake, but it was pretty funny.


18 posted on 01/06/2009 10:36:24 AM PST by cyclotic (Is Michelle Obama really Rita X?)
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To: BGHater

Damn. Another example of Americans not taking pride in the quality of their work.


19 posted on 01/06/2009 10:36:35 AM PST by Sig Sauer P220 (The Big 3 Auto Makers - Where Attention to Kwality is Jobe Won.)
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To: Secret Agent Man

Every “dollar” bill in your pocket is fake. It’s just that the Federal Reserve, which is neither federal, nor is it a reserve, has a monopoly on fake money.


20 posted on 01/06/2009 10:41:24 AM PST by SandWMan
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To: BGHater

Google supernotes.

We have more to be concerned about other than homegrown counterfeiters.


21 posted on 01/06/2009 10:41:29 AM PST by vietvet67
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To: John123
OK... $1 fake bills? Somewhere there is a village missing an idiot...

Maybe it's a vending machine operator seeking to boost his bank deposits by emptying competitors' change machines.

22 posted on 01/06/2009 10:44:38 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: BGHater

what they do here is get a fake $50 and go into a bar. ask for a shot. take the shot, and get $44 in real money as change. then walk right out of the bar. bars are dark. the bartenders have wet hands and work quick. they never know until the end of the night.


23 posted on 01/06/2009 10:44:51 AM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: John123
OK... $1 fake bills? Somewhere there is a village missing an idiot...

I often thought that a good little side "charity" for a counterfeiting operation would involve the mass production of $1 bills, and "distribution" through donations to homeless people, street bums, etc.

24 posted on 01/06/2009 10:45:44 AM PST by Alberta's Child (I'm out on the outskirts of nowhere . . . with ghosts on my trail, chasing me there.)
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To: wbill
Not that easy, need to use magnetic ink, I think.

Google for magnetic ink printers.

It's routine for businesses to print checks, including the magnetic ink.

25 posted on 01/06/2009 10:51:17 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: vietvet67
We have more to be concerned about other than homegrown counterfeiters.

That's true. It's also the primary motivation for all the recent improvements in our notes. The Russian mafia was getting really good at Franklins.

26 posted on 01/06/2009 10:54:15 AM PST by cynwoody
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To: thefactor

Sounds like it’s time for the bar owners to buy their bartenders a good flashlight or another tool for spotting fakes.


27 posted on 01/06/2009 11:08:49 AM PST by HollyB
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To: John123

Yeah, but they use those pens on anything over $10.


28 posted on 01/06/2009 11:09:40 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: BGHater

I was in an establishment some years back where lots of ones get passed out(The Bada-Bing i.e. Satin Dolls in Lodi) and got change for a beer. Two of the $1 bills were glowing under the black lights, the other 10 or so weren’t. It’s an easy way to know they were printed on plain paper...also easy to know which ones to give out first too :)


29 posted on 01/06/2009 11:18:23 AM PST by Malsua
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To: HollyB
Sounds like it’s time for the bar owners to buy their bartenders a good flashlight or another tool for spotting fakes.

Lots do. Cheap blacklight by the register. Fakes glow.

30 posted on 01/06/2009 11:21:12 AM PST by Malsua
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To: SandWMan
Every “dollar” bill in your pocket is fake.

Define fake.

31 posted on 01/06/2009 11:37:58 AM PST by Balding_Eagle
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To: yarddog

Counterfeit Fives are out there. I just saw one yesterday - an awful color copy which looked like someone pissed on the bill.


32 posted on 01/06/2009 11:56:07 AM PST by Norman Bates (Steele for RNC)
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To: BGHater

Interesting, this means the new measures worked.
$1 bills must be to because of the new measures.

I wonder what the injet fakes are being used for? do machines accept them?

Also I thought ALL printers give a microscopic serial number.


33 posted on 01/06/2009 12:04:11 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory
I never worried about machines taking fake dollars.

Warm, salt water into a coin slot has been known to produce both coins and cokes.

34 posted on 01/06/2009 12:05:43 PM PST by BGHater (Tyranny is always better organised than freedom)
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To: Norman Bates

I remember back in the early 70’s copying a dollar bill on a black & white copier. I was surprised how good it looked, even without color, of course if anyone was at all being careful they would spot it as a fake.

With modern copying equipment it should be easy to make halfway decent copies.

BTW, I was just looking at some old German money by father brought back from WWII. It was actually made in the early 1920’s and was way better made for defying copying than our current money. It had all kinds of interesting colors and watermarks.


35 posted on 01/06/2009 12:08:24 PM PST by yarddog
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To: BGHater

In 1978 I visited Hong Kong where a friend of mine, who was then head of the Fraud Squad of The Royal Hong Kong Police, told me they were having a problem with the Chinese counterfeiting the coins, not the notes.

He said that fortunately they were able to detect the counterfeit coins relatively easily as they had less imperfections and were better purity than the ones they got from the Royal Mint!


36 posted on 01/06/2009 12:23:35 PM PST by Wil H (No Accomplishments, No Experience, No Resume No Records, No References, Nobama..)
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To: Wil H
He said that fortunately they were able to detect the counterfeit coins relatively easily as they had less imperfections and were better purity than the ones they got from the Royal Mint!

I remember at one time the same being true of Soviet militaria; badges and such. The reproductions were always of better quality than the originals.

37 posted on 01/06/2009 12:25:20 PM PST by Riley (The Fourth Estate is the Fifth Column.)
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To: Riley

today we call “counterfit money” mortgage backed securities.

(essentially the lenders were printing their own money)


38 posted on 01/06/2009 1:03:14 PM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: BGHater
Warm, salt water into a coin slot has been known to produce both coins and cokes.

The engineers at the vending machine companies are onto that one. Most drink machines divert the coins off to one side before they drop into the changer- the chute they roll through is slotted on the bottom, and there is a drain tube underneath.

I've been vending for eight years now, and I've only had two machines salted- and nobody's even tried in the past five years or so.

We do have thieves come through periodically who either punch out locks, or pry open machines with a large crowbar. Then there was the manager that was stopping by my largest stop before she came to work every morning....

39 posted on 01/06/2009 2:25:37 PM PST by TexasBarak (I don't know about you folks, but I aim to misbehave.)
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To: TexasBarak

Vending machine technology may have advanced in 20+ years, but back in the mid 80’s several of us in the USAF learned that the South Korean 100 Won coin worked just as well as a US quarter in the vending machines of the day. 100 Won was about 10 cents then. The Hawaiians never knew what hit them.


40 posted on 01/06/2009 2:35:29 PM PST by CholeraJoe (Don't it make you want to rock 'n roll all night long? Mohammed's radio.)
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To: BGHater

41 posted on 01/06/2009 2:46:26 PM PST by reagan_fanatic (Resist the Obamination!)
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To: Balding_Eagle

“Fake”....Meaning anything other than gold or silver coin.


42 posted on 01/10/2009 8:36:12 AM PST by SandWMan
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