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Many in U.S. military don't get time to vote: study (states don't send out absentee ballots in time)
Reuters ^ | Jan. 6, 2008 | Andy Sullivan

Posted on 01/06/2009 11:12:20 AM PST by FocusNexus

Many U.S. troops serving overseas are effectively excluded from voting because they are not given enough time to cast absentee ballots, according to a report released on Tuesday.

Sixteen U.S. states and the District of Columbia do not send out their absentee ballots early enough to allow those serving in conflicts like Iraq and Afghanistan to fill them out and return them before their voting deadline, the Pew Center on the States found.

Another six states force soldiers, sailors and marines to return their ballots by fax or e-mail to meet the deadline, risking the privacy and security of their vote.

And another three states only give service members five days to fill out their ballots, the study found.

Overall, 25 states -- including large states like New York, California and Texas -- make it difficult or impossible for those risking their lives for democracy to participate in it, the study found.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: absenteeballots; disenfrancised; elections; howtostealanelection; militaryvotes; overseasballots; supressthevote; votes
Full list of states doing this is in the article.

Residents of those states should contact their state government about this.

1 posted on 01/06/2009 11:12:21 AM PST by FocusNexus
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To: FocusNexus

Gee, seems I’ve heard this complaint before... in 2004, and 2000... AFTER the votes were counted.


2 posted on 01/06/2009 11:14:07 AM PST by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll)
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To: FocusNexus

I was also just noticing that the article also says that states should drop the requirements that service members get their ballots notarized. I didn’t know they have such burdensome requirment.

You mustn’t ask for ID from illegal aliens voting, multiple times, local residents mailing in absentee ballots, but US service members in the war zone need to get their ballots notarized. How outrageous is that?!


3 posted on 01/06/2009 11:15:43 AM PST by FocusNexus
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To: FocusNexus
Many U.S. troops serving overseas are effectively excluded from voting because ... they tend to vote overwhelmingly Republican.

Serviceman and woman should be the first to vote.

4 posted on 01/06/2009 11:16:03 AM PST by SolidWood (Sarah Palin - Everything that is Sweetness and Light!)
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To: FocusNexus

Sad, sad, sad.
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h110-5673
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=s110-3073
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,396343,00.html


5 posted on 01/06/2009 11:21:19 AM PST by polymuser (Bye, bye Miss American Pie.)
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To: FocusNexus

This should be a national scandal. How many elections have the RATS stolen by not letting soldiers vote?


6 posted on 01/06/2009 11:22:29 AM PST by ozzymandus
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To: FocusNexus

Further proof that the electoral systems in this country are frauds of a grand scale.


7 posted on 01/06/2009 11:22:49 AM PST by Roccus (I am a RINO...............I am a Conservative.)
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To: FocusNexus
This is only half of the problem.
Most States require the return envelope be postmarked with a date on it from the voter's post office.

But the Postal Workers Union has passed a "Policy" that requires they NOT postmark the envelops that the returned ballots are sent in, and thereby voiding the ballot, as unofficial.

The County Clerk in Florida informed me of this several years ago when I was stationed in Louisiana, and told me that if I wanted my vote to count, I'd better send it Priority Mail. That cost me $10.00, but I got the envelope stamped with a return date.

8 posted on 01/06/2009 11:24:46 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: FocusNexus

This is outrageous. There are probably more illegal aliens and other fraudulent voters who cast ballots in this election than did US servicemembers in uniform defending our freedom.


9 posted on 01/06/2009 11:25:50 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: Yosemitest
But the Postal Workers Union has passed a "Policy" that requires they NOT postmark the envelops that the returned ballots are sent in, and thereby voiding the ballot, as unofficial.

What? Why? Because the PWU is a Democrat organ and is doing its part to suppress Republican turnout?

10 posted on 01/06/2009 11:30:37 AM PST by Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus (Nihil utile nisi quod honestum - Marcus Tullius Cicero)
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To: Titus Quinctius Cincinnatus
You got it.
Call your own County Clerk and verify your own situation.
11 posted on 01/06/2009 11:33:36 AM PST by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die.)
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To: Yosemitest

Mysteriously ballots also wind up in other states until after election day.


12 posted on 01/06/2009 11:38:26 AM PST by weegee (Obamunism, just another word for the policies of a NeoCom.)
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To: FocusNexus

Minnesota is on the troubled state list... Coincidence that Stuart Smalley got elected by 225 votes? Easier to do if you toss the tens of thousands of military votes!


13 posted on 01/06/2009 11:39:39 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: FocusNexus

A lot of these states are controlled by ‘Rats.

Alabama for example is one of them. In the State House of Representatives, Republicans only hold 42 of the 105 seats while in the Senate they hold 13 of the 35 seats. And most of the counties are also controlled by ‘Rats.


14 posted on 01/06/2009 11:56:50 AM PST by 2CAVTrooper
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To: FocusNexus
"Minnesota, Pennsylvania and Vermont only give overseas servicemembers five days to fill out their ballots, the study found.

Maybe that's the difference in the Coleman-Franken Race right there......where are the late ballots?.....what about the troops that knew they couldn't get it back in time, and so didn't send theirs in?.....

How about a re-vote for overseas servicemembers?

15 posted on 01/06/2009 12:19:52 PM PST by cookcounty ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that's not why the ship is built." ---Governor Sarah Palin)
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To: FocusNexus
What do you bet Minnesota is on that list?

Count every leftist vote, twice if necessary.

16 posted on 01/06/2009 12:49:32 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: FocusNexus
A few red states on that list, but a lot more blue states, which is not surprising. This should be a national scandal.
17 posted on 01/06/2009 12:53:53 PM PST by Major Matt Mason (The Kenyan Keynesian will bankrupt this nation.)
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To: FocusNexus

You can bet I will be contacting the officials in my state of GA! Absolutely horrible!!!


18 posted on 01/06/2009 12:59:02 PM PST by panthermom
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To: FocusNexus

Generally the absentee ballot process is designed to be somewhat cumbersome. In the days when there were still honorable people in both major parties the rules were written so as to contrain voter fraud.

Please accept my next comment understanding that I’m retired military and one of my sons is currently a US Army Sergeant Major. He’s been in harm’s way four times and came through unscathed—thank God.

He has been voting in elections for the past 12 years—whether on CONUS (Continental US) or overseas assignments. My home in New Jersey is his home of record. NJ is not exactly a Red State. My point: He has made it his business to become acquainted with the person responsible for absentee ballots in my town. And if an issue developes—timeliness or whatever—my wife or I personally visit that person and straighten it out. I have to say the absentee ballot person has facilitated his ability to vote whatever the problem may have been. Actually I think we had only one problem and that was that my son was late due combat zone responsibilities.

Soldiers, if they want to participate in the political life of the country they have sworn to protect and defend, must take responsibilty for obtaining an absentee ballot. Then they must forward it back to their town in time—with all the blocks checked and complete info—in the time prescribed.

It’s as simple as that.

I can understand young soldiers not caring or knowing about the absentee ballot process. But any soldier E-5 and above has no excuse.


19 posted on 01/06/2009 1:31:35 PM PST by dools007
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To: FocusNexus

The Secretaries of State are the ones who certify the votes. If they are Leftists, well then, watch MN, OH, and elsewhere.

“It’s not the votes that count, it’s the ones who count the votes” ~ Stalin.


20 posted on 01/06/2009 1:40:51 PM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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To: dools007

Thank God that you have such a wonderful son and that he came through his service in the combat zone unharmed.

I understand and agree that soldiers also need to take responsibility to do everything they can, to get and return their absentee ballots. And it sounds like you live in a small town, where there is one person you can go to, if there are problems.

But in many/most cases the soldier is NOT the problem. I suggest you read the entire article. I’ve read anecdotal horror stories, but this was a study conducted by Pew research and found that in half the states there are significant problems with the delays. If states don’t send out the absentee ballots early enough, there is no way to get it back in time.

States should make it easy for soldiers to vote, not harder.


21 posted on 01/06/2009 1:44:10 PM PST by FocusNexus
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To: FocusNexus

Your point is acknowledged. I would also add that the military, as a matter of policy, should take a more active role in seeing that its soldiers vote. Because of its perceived need to be apolitical it has always been ambivalent about involving itself in any part of the political process.

However, the MSM would glom on to this and make it appear that the military is using the process to intimidate soldiers into voting for candidates who support the military’s various agendas.

The world can be a complex place.


22 posted on 01/06/2009 1:54:40 PM PST by dools007
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; george76; ...

Gosh, this comes as a huge surprise.


23 posted on 01/06/2009 3:30:59 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/___________First 2009 Profile update Tuesday, January 6, 2009)
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To: FocusNexus

Gee, which party do you think benefited from this little mistake? Hmmmmm.


24 posted on 01/06/2009 3:46:06 PM PST by NaughtiusMaximus (Obama's chiseled pecs & Hillary's lovely legs.)
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To: FocusNexus

Thanks for posting. Happy New Year!


25 posted on 01/06/2009 6:26:27 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: dools007

Every unit in the Army company sized and above has a voting officer whose job it is to see that any soldier who needs help voting gets that help. Or at least they did when I was in.


26 posted on 01/06/2009 6:36:27 PM PST by csmusaret (Congress hasn't got anything right since they declared war on Japan.)
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To: csmusaret

You are, of course, correct. But my previous comments still stand. These people tend to be reactive rather than proactive. In other words unless someone comes to them for help they are prone to inertia.


27 posted on 01/07/2009 5:59:04 AM PST by dools007
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To: csmusaret

You are, of course, correct. But my previous comments still stand. Duties, such as voting officer, are “extra” tasks assigned to junior officers whose primary duties may include platoon leader and motor or commo officers. Their primary focus is on getting the jobs done for which they are rated. Hence, these people tend to be reactive rather than proactive. In other words unless someone comes to them for help they are prone to inertia. Furthermore, because there is no method (let alone requirement) for measuring how successful they are at getting their soldiers to vote there is no “command” interest in what they do.


28 posted on 01/07/2009 6:06:29 AM PST by dools007
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To: dools007

Pretty much like civilians.


29 posted on 01/07/2009 6:11:09 AM PST by csmusaret (Congress hasn't got anything right since they declared war on Japan.)
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