Posted on 01/06/2009 12:48:04 PM PST by GonzoII
How dare you bring reason, facts, and common sense to this thread!
Welcome to Obama Land where anything that’s bad for you reigns.
Welcome to Obama Land where anything that’s bad for you reigns.
I don’t understand why a child would be interested in this, not in our free society where people are allowed to do what they want. If a girl wants to play with trucks or dream about being a police officer, or if a boy wants to play with a doll or help mom bake a cake, more power to them—that has nothing to do wtih who they will grow up to have sex with. But that doesn’t require hormone shots and genital surgery.
Ummm, no, the whole point of the recommendations is that children should NOT be making such decisions at that age, nor should any adults be making such decisions for them. In cases where there are anatomical and/or chromosomal abnormalities, it has been routine in the past for doctors to make irreversible treatment decisions in consultation with the parents. The decisions often turned out to be dead wrong. In the famous case of David Reimer, a boy who was seriously mutilated during a botched circumcision as an infant, was surgically made into a “girl” while still an infant, and raised as a girl. He never acted like a girl and wasn’t told why until he was 14. He ended up committing suicide a few years ago, at age 38. http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNews/story/CTVNews/1084201131913_27/?hub=TopStories
While no legitimate doctor today would do what was done to Reimer, in cases of naturally arising anatomical and/or chromosomal abnormalities that blur gender, doctors and parents are under pressure to undertake some kind of treatment before puberty, since many changes of puberty can’t be completely reversed, and are unpredictable in children with abnormalities. It makes a LOT of sense to postpone the need to make these decisions until the child is good deal older than 12, and that’s what the recommendations call for.
The recommendations also call for postponing puberty in cases where, as far as is known the problem is purely psychological (though we really can’t tell for sure if some of these cases have roots in some genetic or hormonal abnormality). Again, this can make a lot of sense, because an adolescent who has serious psychological problems relating to their apparent gender is much more likely to become suicidal or otherwise self-destructive if their bodies are maturing into a form which they are absolutely sure is “wrong”. Putting development on hold for a while provides more time to deal with the psychological problems, hopefully helping the child to come to a realization that if there’s no anatomical or chromosomal evidence that they aren’t normal examples of their apparent gender, then drastic surgery and/or hormonal treatment designed to make them appear to be the other gender, are unlikely to get the sort of results that they are imagining.
Nervous habit, I guess. Plus my asbestos suit demands regular workouts :-)
I’m gettin awefully hairy in my old age. Wonder if them untested drugs could slow down or reverse the process?
My BS meter was on high alert too, but I went to the source:
www.gires.org.uk/assets/guidelines.pdf
ON a first read, it APPEARS what is being described is, in fact “transexualism” or “gender dysphoria, and NOT “intersexuality” which is the term more often used to describe the absence (or superabundance) of genitalia or secondary sex characteristics.
Maybe you will have a different read on it. I’ll be back to read more replies.
Thanks for the additional information and link.
It doesn’t look to me like the document is limiting its discussion to psych-only cases. It is defining “trans” people as those who identify with the opposite gender than what they were assigned at birth, but does not limit the reasons for the assignment. And the LifeSite article is referring only to the recommendation re children approaching puberty, not the whole document, which covers treatment for all “trans” people, including those who first claimed this status in adulthood.
Most babies who are born with visible anatomical abnormalities are “assigned” to either male or female on their birth certificate. And many cases of chromosomal abnormalities or chromosomal/anatomical mismatch are not detected at birth. The most common is babies who look like girls but are chromosomally male (or in some cases chromosomally mosaic, with some cells having XX and others XY) — female anatomy is the “default setting”, and hormonal abnormalities in either the baby or the mother can result in an XY fetus simply staying on the default setting.
I tend to think that the great majority of gender identity issues in children have roots in anatomical/chromosomal/hormonal abnormalities of some sort. Some of these can be very difficult to detect or confirm, especially hormonal abnormalities that were temporary, but affected brain development during some critical phase. It has become fashionable in some circles for teenagers and adults to declare themselves to be “trans” or just declare themselves to be the opposite gender to what they appear to be, and I think that in most cases this is just a manifestation of other psychological problems. But I don’t know of any circles in which this has become fashionable among prepubescent children, and certainly not to the degree that a child would stick to the act even after being hauled off to doctors and having things like surgery discussed. There are probably some cases where parental behavior is at the root of such thinking in young children, but that doesn’t make the child’s psychological problem any less real, and probably strengthens the argument for delaying puberty until the child is older and beginning to be more independent of his/her parents. Where parental behavior is at the root of the problem, children are very likely to simply outgrow it, and more likely to do so peacefully if puberty is delayed.
My only personal experience with a person who had “gender issues” in childhood was a passing acquaintance with a then-woman who attended the college I graduated from, some years after I had graduated. She’d been born with some clear anatomical abnormality, and her fundamentalist Christian father didn’t believe in any “intersex” stuff, wanted a son, and simply insisted that she be a boy. She always thought of herself of girl, but was met with violence at home if she expressed that there. By junior high, she was leaving the house dressed as a boy every morning, and being met on route by a sympathetic teacher or counselor who gave her the opportunity to change clothes and arrive at school dressed as a girl. Needless to say, she ended up with some serious problems, and eventually ended up living with an unrelated family who were a different sort of Christians, and helped her get her life on track. By the time I met her, she was in her early forties and just starting college. She graduated and went to law school and I don’t know what became of her after that. But she was definitely not an attention-seeking nut whose problems had all been psychological. She was as low-key as she could be, but since she’d been forced to develop as a male (I don’t know if she was just left to develop naturally, or if she was given some hormones), she had the tell-tale pitted skin of someone who has had a great deal of facial hair removed by a electrolysis, and a slightly receded hairline. She was never going to look like a normal woman (and probably never looked like a normal man either), but if she’d received hormones to postpone puberty until she was 18 and legally free of her father’s interference, it would have been been a huge blessing for her. Her case is one where I can see that letting someone under 18 choose this treatment, even over parental objections, would make a lot of sense.
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It is suggested on the thread that this is primarily for children with actual medical anomalies. But reading the article doesn't give that impression at all; looks like nothing more or less than the homosexual/anything goes (except traditional morality) agenda. And to allow children to take these drugs without their parents' permission. More Big Brother control, removing parents' and families' responsibilities and autonomy. How many lives are being ruined by this agenda? Countless.
We already have a generation going through puberty in their 20’s. Now the medical field wants to perpetuate that.
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I agree - just because science CAN do something doesn’t mean it should be either legal or promoted. Just because fire burns doesn’t mean everything should burn down. Use if one way or another for cooking, heating and industry. But not burn everything in sight. Same thing with science, it can be used for good or ill. Here’s a perfect example of “ill”.
Good insights. Thanks.
Fantastic post, thank you.
Big Pharma neglected to inform mom and dad that one commonly gets HepB from sexual contact with a vector. The Imperial State now mandates yet another improperly tested STD vaccine, HPV, to allegedly protect "tweens" from cervical cancer. "Follow the money." No moral society finds STDs rife among its chaste or its children. Now, as we await Big Pharma's next batch of children's STD vaccines, "The Endocrine Society has published guidelines advising that children as young as 12 be offered puberty blocking drugs to 'buy time' for a gender change." Now transsexuality has become a child option. What do you want for Christmas? A boy's part? A girl's part? Any special size, color? In fact, in May, WND published an article about third-graders being asked to "help classmate in gender change."
Here, school pedagogues and the poor boy's parents appear ignorant or unimpressed that brain science confirms the obvious: The human brain does not mature until roughly 21-to-25-years of age. Wholly discounting the lack of cognition in 8 and 9-year-old children, this school principal would impose transsexual "lessons" on 100 third-graders, expecting them to treat their boy classmate "as a girl." The adults pushing this boy into a transsexual life included the principal, the district director of community relations, teachers, as well as county officials in various states who chose to believe a modern-day superstition – that a boy can be born in a girl's body, or vice versa. This claim was made famous by Johns Hopkins' infamous pedophile advocate, Dr. John Money (deceased), who lied for years about the value of sexual reassignment surgery.
Even the controversial Dr. Paul McHugh, former head of the Johns Hopkins, clinic admitted that sex change operations did not solve people's problems. And comes now an International Endocrine Society to claim there are "transsexual children as young as 12." Really? But how do these simple Society members prove who is a "transsexual"? A child says he or she "feels" like another sex! Yet, this Endocrine Society has no statistical data or other evidence of early-witnessing wife or spousal battery or of sexual abuse, battery, or neglect of these children who claim to be in the wrong body. The Society could not even know the truth about such abuse were it to exist. How could they know? What parents admit, even if they area aware themselves, what they have done to traumatize their vulnerable child?
The Society, based on wholesale ignorance and the arrogance that commonly accompanies educated ignorance, would drug children "to postpone puberty and make it easier for them to change sex at the age of 16 if they still want to." The Society guidelines state that children and teens should get puberty blockers to stop the natural body developments "they perceive as out of line with their true gender." As in other propaganda campaigns, the Society uses scare tactics claiming that normal pubertal change can "drive children to self-harm or even suicide." Again, really, how do these Society members (and who are they, after all?) know what is causing the child's desperation when they cannot even really know the child's real background and most intimate experiences and emotions?
Children are surrounded by supranormal sexual stimuli, inundated with disordered adult sexual misconduct in pornography, in the mass media, schools, in our chemically tainted food and water, at home, everywhere they turn. Adult leaders would clearly rather medicate and vaccinate infants and children than change their own conduct to provide children with a stable, moral culture in which to grow and thrive. Even those who believe in transsvestism admit that "transsexualism persists into adulthood in only 20 percent of boys who show signs of distress in childhood."
Moreover, like the STD vaccines inflicted on innocent children by order of the State, no long-term, scientifically viable trials (30 years or more) have ever been documented that prove the harmlessness of these chemical insults to children's brains, minds and bodies. Shame on an adult culture that is so self-centered that it bombards its children with violent and sexual stimuli and answers its crimes by chemically violating and numbing the nation's cruelly and unnaturally traumatized youth. Shame. Shame. Shame!
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