Posted on 01/06/2009 2:49:23 PM PST by obamaisandrogynous
Media commentary today and in recent days indicates that there is the possibility that the Obama White House will reinstitute the draft as part of its “stimulus plan” to “create” several million new jobs in the U.S.
One wonders how the idealistic, youthful, leftist Obama voters — most of whom don’t even know the names of the capitals of their own states, let alone the capitals of foreign countries — will react to conscription.
A principle of liberty is that the armed forces should be composed of volunteers. The U.S. military embraces this position as well, arguing, for decades, that an all-volunteer force is motivated and will do its job more effectively than conscripts. One of the reasons there are fewer combat deaths today in Iraq and Afghanistan than there were in past wars is that the soldiers are professionals.
But, Barack Hussein Obama, Jr., the president elect, and incoming White House chief of staff, Rahm Emanuel, support the draft. In a radio interview, in 2006, in fact, Emanuel came out publicly in favor of the draft, at a time when he was in the leadership of the House Democrats. “There’s nothing wrong with all Americans having civil defense training — doing civil service,” said Emanuel. “That will give them a sense of what it means to be an American. The state National Guard units can be a vehicle for that. ”
Emanuel said the age of service would be “between 18 and 25.”
(Excerpt) Read more at rlcil.org ...
Don’t forget places in AFRICA.
Conscription, communism, racism .... yep Stalin’s back.
Such a stupid article.
Reinstating the draft is how the left will insure the US military never goes to war again for any reason. Just like the Viet Nam protests, expect to see lefty nut cases protesting in the streets at the slightest hint of US military action by a conscript force. ......red
“youthful, leftist Obama voters — most of whom don’t even know the names of the capitals of their own states, let alone the capitals of foreign countries”
A huge number of Americans’ ethnocentrism and lack of geographic knowledge is really disturbing.
What’s Obama going to propose next? “We love our Dear Leader” indoctrination in public schools? I’d better stop before they get any more ideas....
Re-education programs.
Bill Ayers actually planned this, following the Chinese model.
The appeal to liberals of a draft is that military pay can be drastically slashed with the difference used to buy votes elsewhere.
“A huge number of Americans’ ethnocentrism and lack of geographic knowledge is really disturbing.”
Not really. Having spends years on every continent of this world, excepting Antartica (although I did get close), I can safely opine that most of the world sucks.
“I can safely opine that most of the world sucks.”
That might be. I’ve traveled a lot, too! I just think that so many people in America are only concerned with what they see around them and they don’t pay attention to world (or even national) events.
I agree with you!
And BTW great profile.
http://drsanity.blogspot.com/2005/06/democrats-desperately-desire-draft.html
Joseph Biden, the top Democrat of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, made the prediction after new data released by the Pentagon showed the US Army failing to meet its recruitment targets for four straight months.
“We’re going to have to face that question,” Biden said on NBC’s “Meet the Press” television show when asked if it was realistic to expect restoration of the draft.
“The truth of the matter is, it is going to become a subject, if, in fact, there’s a 40 percent shortfall in recruitment. It’s just a reality,” he said.
THE ONLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE TALKED ABOUT A DRAFT IN THE LAST 4 YEARS—and even introduced a measure into Congress to re-instate it— ARE THE DEMOCRATS. (see here, and here for example)The Republicans have insisted that they have no plans for one. The military have insisted repeatedly that they have no plans for one.
Exactly. Zero knows that he can kiss it all goodbye with the libs if he does something this stupid. He doesn't mind tweaking with his supporters a bit, such as keeping Gates as Secretary of Defense, or having Rick Warren deliver a prayer even though it ticks off homosexuals, but he's not going to do something that fundamentally stupid.
If he says “I’m not going to send a murican boys and girls to do the job Afgahnny boys and girls ought to be doing for themselves”, then it’s gonna happen.
Landslide Lyndon - A Democrat’s Democrat, stole his senate seat by 87 votes: http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2009/jan/06/the-dirty-joke-from-minnesota/
and vowed not to institute the draft.
He won’t put them in the armed forces. He’ll send christians kids to work in abortion clinics, sweeping streets, painting po people’s apartments.
the hippie dippies might also get sent to Africa (where Bambi and Susan Rice have big plans for the US military to solve everything from Darfur to poverty) so they can be the peace corps in camouflage fatigues
the hard working military will probably be forced into becoming a diversity/jobs training program for flaming gays, idealistic authority-hating idiots, transgenders, illiterates, gang bangers, teenage single mothers, and otherwise empty out the projects, ala LBJ's Vietnam era failure known as “Project 100,000” - only on a scale sixfold greater
Anyone who wants to serve and is fit to serve- CAN GO SIGN UP AND SERVE
a draft would be a travesty, another assault on our personal freedom and liberty. It is functionally UNNECESSARY. If this occurs it must always called a DEMOCRAT DRAFT
The only way these conscripts will ever be sent out of the country at all is if the military is needed for some humanitarian mission (maybe aid to the poor starving Palestinians, for instance?). These are the only purposes for which the military will ever be deployed under the rule of these pacifists.
O will keep these 18-25 year olds in involuntary servitude, in direct violation of the 13th amendment, stateside, doing make-work jobs much like the New Deal. And it'll have about as much effect on the national economic well-being as that did -- that is, no effect. (It took a shooting war to get us out of the Great Depression. That's off the table, even if necessary, in the O peacenik administration.)
Meanwhile, since no one's getting shot at, the moronic sheeple who elected O will accept this new conscription without so much as a whimper.
The notion that 18-25 year olds, or anyone for that matter, need to be held in a state of involuntary servitude to realize what it is to be an "American" is deeply offensive to me. It should be so to anyone who values old, quaint American concepts like freedom and ownership of oneself and one's labors.
The O is going to need troops to keep the peace at home, and what better way to do it than by drafting all the rabble rousers to be storm troopers in the USS of Omerica. They will be coming to your neighborhood soon.
“the ones in college and above will ALL get deferments or cushy jobs pushing papers 9-5 at some safe location so they can claim to have “served””
Well, actually, the rear area has usually gone to others who claim to have been too heavily represented in death tolls........
Think about it.
I hope you understand that for these folks that's not a bug, that's a feature.
A draft would aid the stimulus by creating new jobs??? That doesn’t make sense. The nature of a draft would mean the people looking for work wouldn’t necessarily be the ones that find it, and the people who are employed may have to leave their job to enter the service. If the people looking were qualified to fill the spots of the folks who were drafted, that’s one thing, but I don’t think that will be the case.
Can’t have my daughter to send to some african hellhole, or to mop the floor of an Atlanta ER.
Its a bright line,,, forbidden by the constitution. Its involunary servitude.
That bright line,,, the cross it, the resistance begins.
Nope, they're not going to be sent to places where they might actually have to fight and defend themselves or God forbid maybe even be forced to kill a Muslim terrorist. These folks are cowardly peaceniks. They'll be drafted to serve soup in soup lines or do opposition research for they're favorite liberal DemonRAT congress critter.
The pyschos of the bunch will serve in Obama's home guard gestapo units and brown shirts. (eg Check out the video of those militarized black kids that shows up on Free Republic occasionally.)
Civil War
WW1
WW2 - 1940-1945 = approx 10 million draftees
Korea
Vietnam
What better way to wimp down our military to put in bums, dead beats, anti’s of all types, queers, fags, fruits, homos, etc. all join up. New pink camo uniforms.
Sometimes these stories get by me. The posted story didn't include any links, so I did a quick google search. So far, the only big-name person I could find is Rush Limbaugh. Anybody hear anyone else discussing this? Here's Rush:
For those of you just tuning in, let me give you the story again. Barack Obama says he's gonna create three million new jobs, 80% in the private sector, which means 20% will be government jobs. That's 600,000 government jobs. Where is he going to be able to do that real quick?
Where could you do this in a matter of months? I said you could reinstitute the draft. And why not institute the draft if you're Obama, who is a Democrat. Democrats believe that people who live in the South and in poor economic circumstances have no way out of those circumstances other than join the military. Don't you remember? People who join the military are not patriots; they're stupid, they're uneducated, they're economically depressed, they live in these little hick town shacks like Obama's brother, and they have no chance to get out other than join the military....
He won’t want to draft them into the military, because it is Republican dominated, but to have a “public service” draft, putting them anywhere but the military.
I bet he goes for mandatory “public service” for all children, from kindergarten through college. Something like having them pick up trash for 15 minutes, followed by an hour long harangue by a political officer.
Agree w/you. However, we should also note that the dropoff in recruitment has happened after the Sept. 15 stock market crash — when it became apparent that Obama was going to win the presidency. What man or woman who really wants to serve would want to serve under a President Obama as their Commander-in-Chief.
Was joking with a friend of mine — another former military person — about whether Obama actually knew how to salute yet. He suggests the MSM will use computer generated imagery to simulate the O salute.
Bye, Bye. . .American Pie. . .it will soon be over folks. . .
We still have those who are patriotic; despite the Lib/Left efforts to kill it. . .but as we take a 'huge Left turn' here; in time. . .it will not be patriotism that brings the majority of citizens to serve their Country.
considering obama never spent one day in any branch of the service where does he get off supporting the draft?
Remember this?
From 09-29-04:
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1230938/posts
Somebody Feel a Draft? The politics of fear & division...
various FR links | 09-29-04 | The Heavy Equipment Guy
Spot on...
The only way a draft would work is if they made the entire military unmanned machines. Then we would have the conscripts sitting thousands of miles away playing video games.
Enders game anyone?
The article mentions Rahm Emanuel. In the special election to replace Emanuel, the only conservative candidate is Rosanna Pulido, the founder and chairman of the Illinois Minuteman Project, and I’m her campaign manager. Please read her site, www.rosannapulido2009.com.
If it ever passes (which it won’t) a whole lot of Dems are going to lose their seats next election.
Exactly. Zero knows that he can kiss it all goodbye with the libs if he does something this stupid. He doesn’t mind tweaking with his supporters a bit, such as keeping Gates as Secretary of Defense, or having Rick Warren deliver a prayer even though it ticks off homosexuals, but he’s not going to do something that fundamentally stupid.
Not so sure it would be viewed as fundamentally stupid. First of all, the Libs really don’t care about the strength of our military so they don’t care if a draft is not what the military wants in order to remain strong. Second, funny thing about Libs, their attitude changes when it s “their” military. Some leaders of Black Dem Caucus have been in favor of draft to equalize race and socioecon class demographics of military. On campaign trail at the Times Mag—sponsored forum on service, O. said more will serve and he was talking about military service. O. also said more troops to Afghanistan.
I think that's just been a gimmick by black Democrats who are in super-safe districts to embarrass the GOP in other districts. Lyndon Johnson turned from being loved by the libs (because of civil rights legislation) to being hated, not only over Vietnam, but because of the draft connected with it. That's way too recent a lesson for even a Rat to forget.
I also think that Zero will suffer a similar fate if he sends more troops to Afghanistan, the moonbats all believe that is something he said during the campaign just to get elected by a mushy middle that wanted to see some semblance of strength against McCain. There will be calls for an immediate pullout from both Iraq and Afghanistan, and the liberals will grow ever more shrill with Barry with each passing day that it does not happen.
I'm old enough to remember thirty-two years ago, the liberals were very excited about having the Johnson-Nixon-Ford era over and done with, and every time Jimmy Carter looked like any kind of a continuation of that era, they started criticizing him. By the time Reagan took him on in 1980, he had much, much less support within his own party, and the late night comedians were roasting him constantly.
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