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Despite deep chill, global warming is still a peril: scientists
AFP on Yahoo ^ | 1/07/09 | Jerome Cartillier

Posted on 01/07/2009 1:47:24 PM PST by NormsRevenge

PARIS (AFP) – A cold front is sweeping across Europe after gripping swathes of North America last month, but the deep freeze does not mean the threat of global warming has abated, caution scientists.

"The major trend is unmistakably one of warming," Michel Jarraud, secretary general of the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO), told AFP.

"If we look at the trajectory over the last 160 years, it overlays a large natural variability, and that's what causes confusion."

The cooler weather that was a hallmark of 2008 can be explained partly by La Nina, a reversal of the phenomenon by which warm waters build up on the surface of the Pacific, said Jarraud.

"The problem is that people are confusing weather with climate," Susan Solomon, a top scientist on the UN's Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change (IPCC), said in a recent interview.

"Weather is important locally, and from year to year. But what you really have to look at when you are interested in climate is the larger scale -- the whole world -- and the longer term," she said.

Even if 2008 was on balance chillier than 2007, it still ranks as the 10th warmest year on record, she pointed out.

And over the long haul, average global surface temperatures have climbed significantly -- between 0.75 and 1.0 degrees Celsius (1.35 and 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit) -- since 1850, when accurate weather statistics were first recorded.

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KEYWORDS: climatecycles; deepchill; despite; globalcooling; globalwarming; ipcc; peril; wmo

1 posted on 01/07/2009 1:47:24 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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Ronny Lorenz removes snow in front of an alpine hut on the Fichtelberg peak in Oberwiesenthal, eastern Germany, on January 6, 2009. A cold front is sweeping across Europe after gripping swathes of North America last month, but the deep freeze does not mean the threat of global warming has abated, caution scientists. (DDP/AFP/File/Uwe Meinhold)


2 posted on 01/07/2009 1:48:52 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed.)
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To: steelyourfaith

What a bunch of idiots.


3 posted on 01/07/2009 1:49:07 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: NormsRevenge
The major trend is unmistakably one of warming,"

Total BS, our local weatherman showed the avg. temps since 1998, it's a clear downward trend.

4 posted on 01/07/2009 1:50:06 PM PST by Brett66 (Where government advances, and it advances relentlessly , freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
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To: NormsRevenge

“Despite deep chill, global warming is still a peril: scientists”
The braying of a jackass.


5 posted on 01/07/2009 1:51:52 PM PST by jmaroneps37 (Conservatism is truth. Liberalism is lies.)
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To: NormsRevenge
There is NO such thing as Climate Science.

If there were, scientists could accurately predict the future climate. They can't. Scientists are working to develop a Climate Science, but they have a century or so to go before they will know if it is even possible to hope for a real Climate Science some day. Think Fusion as a source of economical power as an example.

6 posted on 01/07/2009 1:51:52 PM PST by Paladin2 (No, pundits strongly believe that the proper solution is more dilution.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Hot = Global Warming

Cold = Global Warming

Nice to have it both ways.


7 posted on 01/07/2009 1:52:36 PM PST by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: NormsRevenge
My college commie daughter has switched her tune.

Rather than admit global warming is a hoax, she now says it is "the rate of climate change" that should worry us.

8 posted on 01/07/2009 1:53:16 PM PST by llevrok (Feral Conservative)
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To: Brett66

Even if it is, the odds are better than not that the “climate” change is due to non-human agency: sunspots, ocean current movements, etc. The same factors which generated an ice age, and put hippopotamuses in the Thames River.


9 posted on 01/07/2009 1:54:18 PM PST by ZULU ( TRAPPED IN NEW JERSEY!!! Non nobis, non nobis Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam.)
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To: NormsRevenge

“’Tis only a flesh wound...”


10 posted on 01/07/2009 1:54:57 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: NormsRevenge

I just scrape global warming. LOL


11 posted on 01/07/2009 1:55:45 PM PST by Biggirl (GO UCONN!=^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^==^..^=)
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To: NormsRevenge

“If we look at the trajectory over the last 160 years, it overlays a large natural variability, and that’s what causes confusion.”

Whats causing confusion is looking at the last 160 years and ignoring the last 160,000 years.


12 posted on 01/07/2009 1:56:16 PM PST by Hacklehead (Liberalism is the art of taking what works, breaking it, and then blaming conservatives.)
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To: llevrok
My college commie daughter ...

How'd that happen......

13 posted on 01/07/2009 1:56:40 PM PST by 11th Commandment (2008 was an historical election - the first time a socialist was elected President.)
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To: llevrok

Yep.....that’s how liberals reason....if you can call it “reason”.....Global Warming has become a kind of religion, the worship of the earth....a return to pantheism....more heat equals global warming....more cold equals global warming.

Kind of neat...eh?


14 posted on 01/07/2009 2:00:05 PM PST by kjo
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To: NormsRevenge

“If we look at the trajectory over the last 160 years, it overlays a large natural variability, and that’s what causes confusion.”

Gasp, this clown would never get past a good advanced stats class.

Perhaps he might like to look at the trajectory for a slightly longer time. Hint, he might try to include the last great warming (which we all know was much warmer than anything these clowns are predicting).


15 posted on 01/07/2009 2:00:09 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: NormsRevenge
"The major trend is unmistakably one of warming," Michel Jarraud, secretary general of the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO), told AFP.

These folks remind me of astronomers in the time of Galileo. As new evidence came in that showed that the earth revolved around the sun, they nonetheless made up reasons so that the peasants would continue to believe the earth was the center of the universe and persecuted any who would challenge their "knowledge."

The same is happening today. Global warming advocates refuse to look at new data and form independent conclusions, instead relying on original IPCC work, much of which was written by non-scientists with other agendas. BTW, some of the data being used to continue to support the global warming scenario has been proven to be inaccurate but used anyway by NASA and NOAA in support of their one-world big government agenda.

Visit:
http://icecap.us/

16 posted on 01/07/2009 2:00:45 PM PST by CedarDave (Under Obama, yesterday's pork-laden earmarks have become tomorrow's economic stimulus projects)
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To: NormsRevenge
"WAR IS PEACE"

"FREEDOM IS SLAVERY"

"GLOBAL COOLING IS GLOBAL WARMING"

Didn't George Orwell once write a book about this?
17 posted on 01/07/2009 2:05:45 PM PST by Signalman
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To: NormsRevenge

“The major trend is unmistakably one of warming,” Michel Jarraud, secretary general of the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO), told AFP.....

After all...going from -40 to -20 is still warming....


18 posted on 01/07/2009 2:07:13 PM PST by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: rabscuttle385; Horusra; CygnusXI; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; WL-law; Genesis defender; ...
Thanx !

 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

19 posted on 01/07/2009 2:07:14 PM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: NormsRevenge
"The problem is that people are confusing weather with climate," Susan Solomon, a top scientist on the UN's Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change (IPCC), said in a recent interview.

Yeah, yeah. If it's hot, it's global warming. If it's cold, it's the weather.

Susan Soloman received the Blue Planet Award from the Asahi Glass Corporation. It includes a 50 million yen prize, which works out to more than half a million dollars. Poor underfunded, research scientist. Of course, she's not tainted by taking corporate money. Nooo. Only skeptics are capable of being tainted.

Source (PDF)

The hypocrisy of the environmental movement kills me. And if they get what they want, it really will. You too.

20 posted on 01/07/2009 2:09:48 PM PST by Entrepreneur (The environmental movement is filled with watermelons - green on the outside, red on the inside)
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To: jmaroneps37

“Despite deep chill, global warming is still a peril: scientists”

“The braying of a jackass.”

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The desparate squawk-wail of a talentless socialist, in love with the easy academic life of grants, Climate Change seminars in posh locales, fawning, unquestioning media attention and utter unproductivity, sheltered from the rigors of the marketplace.


21 posted on 01/07/2009 2:14:06 PM PST by EyeGuy
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To: NormsRevenge
If it's too hot, it's because of global warming.

If it's too cold, it's because of global warming.

If it rains too much, it's because of global warming.

If there's a drought, it's because of global warming.

What a racket. The global warming 'gurus' are trying to get people all stirred up so they can get laws passed requiring payment of carbon credits. Then take the money to do 'research'.

22 posted on 01/07/2009 2:15:45 PM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: NormsRevenge

“Cold snaps are routinely seized upon by a dwindling rearguard of climate skeptics as “proof” that climate change is exaggerated or an outright fabrication, Jouzel said.”

This man has a serious case of paralepsis.


23 posted on 01/07/2009 2:17:10 PM PST by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, then writes again.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Who are you gonna believe, us or your lying skin.


24 posted on 01/07/2009 2:17:30 PM PST by denydenydeny ("When you ask, how much should you give, they only answer more, more more."-John Fogarty)
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To: NormsRevenge
global warming Pictures, Images and Photos

They're gonna need better proof...

25 posted on 01/07/2009 2:17:32 PM PST by Snickering Hound
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To: NormsRevenge

“What’s it going to take? — does the whole surface of the planet have to freeze over, before conservatives will believe that the earth is getting hotter??”


26 posted on 01/07/2009 2:19:10 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: NormsRevenge
From the linked article: "... the overall warming trend could be slowed over the next decade by ..."

The global-warming alarmists are attempting to buy themselves another decade.

27 posted on 01/07/2009 2:21:00 PM PST by William Tell (RKBA for California (rkba.members.sonic.net) - Volunteer by contacting Dave at rkba@sonic.net)
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To: NormsRevenge

"The problem is that people are confusing weather with climate," Susan Solomon, a top scientist on the UN's Intergovernmental Panel for Climate Change (IPCC),

Susan, what people are you talking about? Are you talking about me, Johnny Suntrade?

I certainly don't confuse weather with climate, after all I did pass the seventh grade.

In fact Susan I don't deny that over some period of time, which can be chosen by various select bodies, that the climate is not warming.

But I do seriously question, for a number of technical reasons which might be over your head, including the Boltzman effect on the atmosphere, and the pK of CO2 in the planet's waters, and the relative infrared signature of water vapor versus CO2, that man's combustion (oxidation) of reduced sequestered carbon has much of anything to do with the climatic warming over the period which you so judiciously have selected.

You are free to relay this to your superiors.

Johnny Suntrade, The Suntrade Institute

28 posted on 01/07/2009 2:23:37 PM PST by jnsun (The LEFT: The need to manipulate others because of nothing productive to offer)
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To: llevrok
> "the rate of climate change" that should worry us.

And she's right... where I live, there was an abrupt and rather precipitous drop in temperatures over the last few months. What's more, the local meteorologists are predicting an equally quick and dramatic rise in temperatures over the next few months.

/sarc

29 posted on 01/07/2009 2:23:56 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: NormsRevenge
"The major trend is unmistakably one of warming," Michel Jarraud, secretary general of the World Meteorological Organisation (WMO), told AFP.

Spring's coming.

30 posted on 01/07/2009 2:26:07 PM PST by teawithmisswilliams (Basta, already!)
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To: Brett66

“...unmistakably one of warming”

We can only hope ‘tards. Because you ain’t seen problems until cooling keeps seeds from germinating.


31 posted on 01/07/2009 2:27:31 PM PST by Let's Roll (Stop paying ACORN to destroy America! Cut off their government funding!)
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To: MEGoody
"If it's too hot, it's because of global warming.

If it's too cold, it's because of global warming.

If it rains too much, it's because of global warming.

If there's a drought, it's because of global warming."

________________________

"There are a thousand hacking at the branches of evil to one who is striking at the root. "Henry David Thoreau

And who is responsible for GW?

George Bush! :)

32 posted on 01/07/2009 2:29:15 PM PST by 728b (Never cry over something that can not cry over you.)
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To: NormsRevenge
"If we look at the trajectory over the last 160 years, it overlays a large natural variability, and that's what causes confusion."

And over the long haul, average global surface temperatures have climbed significantly -- between 0.75 and 1.0 degrees Celsius (1.35 and 1.8 degrees Fahrenheit) -- since 1850, when accurate weather statistics were first recorded.

Gee… I wonder why the global warmers decided to start their comparisons in about 1850? Maybe, it’s as they state: “since 1850, when accurate weather statistics were first recorded.”

But… Perhaps it’s because the “little ice age” ran until about 1850!

Comparing current temperatures to those from the “little ice age” that ran from 1100 to 1850 would no doubt make the current temperatures appear that much warmer.

When the fact disprove global warming religion, they have to resort to misleading or lying to us.

33 posted on 01/07/2009 2:29:54 PM PST by RJL
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To: NormsRevenge

Interesting discussion on Victoria Taft show (Portland) last night. It was pointed out that after the collapse of the Soviet Union in the early 1990’s, many weather sites in Russia no longer reported. The remainder may be located in warmer areas thus skewing the overall temperature record if not corrected. Don’t know if that’s the case, but makes one wonder.


34 posted on 01/07/2009 2:39:45 PM PST by CedarDave (Under Obama, yesterday's pork-laden earmarks have become tomorrow's economic stimulus projects)
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To: NormsRevenge
Even if 2008 was on balance chillier than 2007, it still ranks as the 10th warmest year on record, she pointed out.

Three comments in response to this educated idiot.

No one disputes warming; only the anthropogenic contribution is subject to debate (which is not allowed).

The only static climate (as well as weather) might be found on dead planets.

Define "record!" It is asinine to point out that climate is not synonimous to weather, and then throw out a minuscule tiny, infinitesimal period of time as the "record," and base sky-is-falling scenarious on that.

Allow the opinion of long established true scientists to be considered, and the ridicule factor grows exponentially against these wannabe self-important doofuses.

35 posted on 01/07/2009 2:54:30 PM PST by Publius6961 (Change is not a plan; Hope is not a strategy.)
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To: Bobkk47
He did indeed - but you left out the one I'd apply to this BS !

IGNORANCE IS STRENGTH !

Just finished re-reading Michael Crichton's "State of Fear". Excellent reply to the watermelon schills.

36 posted on 01/07/2009 2:55:38 PM PST by jimt
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To: EyeGuy
The desparate squawk-wail of a talentless socialist, in love with the easy academic life of grants, Climate Change seminars in posh locales, fawning, unquestioning media attention and utter unproductivity, sheltered from the rigors of the marketplace.

Awesome, Succinct rant!

37 posted on 01/07/2009 3:00:06 PM PST by TexGuy (If it has the slimmest of chances of being considered sarcasm ... IT IS!)
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To: NormsRevenge

A major problem: There is NO La Nina at this time, and there hasn’t been since last winter. The ENSO is neutral. NO La Nina, and NO El Nino.

http://www.cdc.noaa.gov/ENSO/enso.current.html


38 posted on 01/07/2009 3:25:16 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Army Air Corps

I just sprayed another keyboard. I was not expecting that comment. I’m still chuckling.


39 posted on 01/07/2009 3:49:39 PM PST by Dutch Boy
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To: 11th Commandment
How'd that happen......

She left home a middle of road conservative and came home a dogma spouting liberal. And I paid for that?!

Thank you American university education faculties.

40 posted on 01/07/2009 3:53:58 PM PST by llevrok (Feral Conservative)
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To: Brett66
Arctic Ice in 2008 was back to 1979 levels... lying POS... anyone that promotes globull warming... LIARS ALL!!!

LLS

41 posted on 01/07/2009 3:59:01 PM PST by LibLieSlayer (hussein will NEVER be my president... NEVER!)
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To: NormsRevenge

These people are clinically insane. Listen you morons, we will forgive you. Simply admit you were completely totally wrong about globull warming and move on. We are stting records fro cold here in Fairbanks, get a grip.


42 posted on 01/07/2009 4:01:56 PM PST by vpintheak (Like a muddied spring or a polluted well is a righteous man who gives way to the wicked. Prov. 25:26)
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To: MEGoody
"If it's too hot, it's because of global warming. If it's too cold, it's because of global warming. If it rains too much, it's because of global warming. If there's a drought, it's because of global warming. What a racket."

If you want a laugh, watch Fox News' spoof on Global Warming alarmism.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5CL8SbPRVc

If you want another laugh, a bitter one perhaps, try the 12 Days of Global Warming:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmPSUMBrJoI

43 posted on 01/07/2009 4:39:15 PM PST by tom h
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To: llevrok
Have your daughter read, "The Chilling Stars", by Henrik Svensmark. It gives a much large picture of climatological changes than the AGW folks have shown, and possible reasons for those changes. She might also take a look at THIS site, which also shows how the climate has changed over the millenia, and that, notwithstanding the hot air about Global Warming, a Little Ice Age could be on the horizon.
44 posted on 01/07/2009 5:40:41 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: jimt
Just finished re-reading Michael Crichton's "State of Fear". Excellent reply to the watermelon schills.

I'd LOVE to see that one made into a movie!!

45 posted on 01/07/2009 5:57:55 PM PST by SuziQ
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To: NormsRevenge

100% total B.S. Europe just went through two of the coldest weeks on record. I was listening to the G. Gordon Liddy show today, and he had the guy who founded Accuweather. He said the same cold that hit Europe would hit the USA Jan 15-30 and be some of the coldest on record. Already the weather channel’s 10 forecast for us here in Alabama, show highs in the 40s and lows in the teens and 20s in about a week from now. So up thar in da north, put your long johns on.


46 posted on 01/07/2009 6:00:45 PM PST by RetiredArmy (Great patriotic stuff at www.patriotstore.us.)
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To: NormsRevenge

The socialists just don’t give up, now, do they?


47 posted on 01/07/2009 6:06:59 PM PST by BuffaloJack
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To: Dutch Boy

You are most welcome. As many here can attest, my humour is oft odd, warped, and random.


48 posted on 01/07/2009 6:17:10 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: TexGuy

“Awesome, Succinct rant!”

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Thank-you.

The subject matter inspires.....


49 posted on 01/07/2009 7:34:21 PM PST by EyeGuy
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