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What Does Leon Panetta Know About TWA 800
cashill.com ^ | 1/8/2008 | Jack Cashill

Posted on 01/08/2009 8:18:40 PM PST by Sioux-san

Last week, I received an email from a former 747 pilot named Thomas Young.

In early August 1996, Young explained, he was laid up in a Hong Kong hospital with a back injury. His employer, Polar Air Cargo, flew his wife Barbara out to join him. They had little else to do but watch TV. Here is what they saw.

The videotape began with people milling about on a deck facing a body of water. In the background, a streak of†light can be seen leaving a point below the edge of the deck, accelerating as it climbed; it passed behind what appeared to me to be a thin cloud layer and continued upward out of the frame, from right to left. As the streak of light disappeared beyond the edge of the frame, after a slight pause, there is a generalized, dim flash on the upper left side of the screen, followed by a brighter and more pronounced flash.

Some 270 eyewitnesses on Long Island would give formal accounts to the FBI of the same event--an apparent missile attack on TWA Flight 800 on the night of July 17,1996. Scores of them would provide detailed drawings.

“The TWA 800 story was big news,” Young explains, “and was getting top billing in the Asian press.”

Young had a distinct perspective on what he was seeing. For six years in the 1980s he had worked at Boeing, much of that time in its Space and Strategic Missile Systems Division.... Given the TV reception in his Hong Kong hospital, Young could not identify the type of missile that took out TWA Flight 800, but he was confident he was seeing a missile.

“If this was a Navy missile,” Barbara recalls her husband telling her at the time, “there goes Clinton’s re-election.”

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Why Panetta for CIA?
1 posted on 01/08/2009 8:18:41 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Sioux-san

Because Mineta was already busy?


2 posted on 01/08/2009 8:21:54 PM PST by null and void (Amendment 28: Islam is not recognized as an established religion in the United States. ~ farmer18th)
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To: Sioux-san
Paranoia will destroy ya.
3 posted on 01/08/2009 8:22:20 PM PST by Ben Mugged (Lord, if you can't make me better, don't worry, I'm having a real good time like I am)
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To: Sioux-san
Panetta probably knows where Arief Wiriandonata and Gilbert Colon are located. The CIA job is subcabinet status and his highy prestigious.

Wiriandonata and Colon remain uncaught and the Clintons and their crowd don't go to jail.

4 posted on 01/08/2009 8:22:21 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Sioux-san

Well i for one believe it was a successful shoe bomber or a terrorist missile or a navy mishap or ball lightning or a meteorite but not a wire in the center fuel tank or a over heated ac unit


5 posted on 01/08/2009 8:22:30 PM PST by al baby (Hi mom Mr. Obama, are you aware that Sarah Palin took on her own party’s establishment in Alaska a)
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To: Sioux-san

Why not? Most of the people being brought in by The One (piss be upon him) are Clintonistas, anway.


6 posted on 01/08/2009 8:24:44 PM PST by Old Sarge (For the first time in my life, I am ashamed to be an American)
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To: Sioux-san

I recall the interviews and the detailed accounts of those that witnessed the ‘event’ and then, then... then... nothing was ever heard on the news, ever.
So, what can I say???


7 posted on 01/08/2009 8:24:44 PM PST by elpinta (Insured by Walther, Glock, Smith & Wesson. Protected with 7.62 & 12 ga.)
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To: al baby

“not a wire in the center fuel tank or a over heated ac unit”

If I believed that it was either of these I probably could not ever be talked back onto an airplane.


8 posted on 01/08/2009 8:25:18 PM PST by incredulous joe ("No road is long with good company. " - Turkish Proverb)
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To: Sioux-san
When OBH nominated Panetta, I queried the same thing on a thread here.

Will we finally know, for sure Panetta at the time was on a different wavelength than BJC was.

9 posted on 01/08/2009 8:25:39 PM PST by winoneforthegipper
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To: al baby
Well i for one believe it was a successful shoe bomber or a terrorist missile or a navy mishap or ball lightning or a meteorite but not a wire in the center fuel tank or a over heated ac unit

Agreed. The video tells the story. And the 747 series entered service in 1970. Would such a much-used workhorse not have shown center tank issues over the first 26 years of its service history? Especially considering some of the third world airlines that were operating it?

10 posted on 01/08/2009 8:26:27 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Sioux-san

I was in the Army, so I can’t speak for the Navy, but it seems to me that wouldn’t/couldn’t and probably shouldn’t be “covered up”. C’mon.


11 posted on 01/08/2009 8:26:29 PM PST by Freedom4US
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To: Ben Mugged
Paranoia will destroy ya.

"For six years in the 1980s he had worked at Boeing, much of that time in its Space and Strategic Missile Systems Division.... Given the TV reception in his Hong Kong hospital, Young could not identify the type of missile that took out TWA Flight 800, but he was confident he was seeing a missile."

Where's the paranoia?
12 posted on 01/08/2009 8:26:48 PM PST by mkjessup ("An empty limousine pulled up in front of the White House, and Barack Hussein Obama got out")
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To: incredulous joe
If I believed that it was either of these I probably could not ever be talked back onto an airplane.

Boeing and TWA must have been greased by the feds big time to bend over and take it.

13 posted on 01/08/2009 8:27:54 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: buccaneer81

More to the point, if it really was a frayed wire, they’d have grounded the entire fleet for inspections, wouldn’t they?...


14 posted on 01/08/2009 8:29:20 PM PST by null and void (Amendment 28: Islam is not recognized as an established religion in the United States. ~ farmer18th)
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To: Freedom4US

Agree.


15 posted on 01/08/2009 8:29:48 PM PST by clintonh8r (For the first time in my life I'm ashamed of my country.)
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To: Sioux-san
"In April 1985 Panetta joined with 13 of his leftist congressional colleagues — including Ron Dellums, Don Edwards, George Miller, Christopher Dodd, and Les Aspin — in sponsoring a 20th anniversary fund-raising gala for the pro-Marxist Institute for Policy Studies (IPS), which had been described by Brian Crozier, director of the London Institute for the Study of Conflict, as the "perfect intellectual front for Soviet activities which would be resisted if they were to originate openly from the KGB." The IPS was originally funded with millions of dollars from the Faberge perfume magnate and Communist Party member Samuel Rubin and his wife."

http://www.thenewamerican.com/usnews/election/655

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From David Horowitz's FrontPageMag.com/DiscoverTheNetworks.org:

IPS’s [Institute For Policy Studies] Washington, DC headquarters quickly became a resource center for national reporters and a place for KGB agents from the nearby Soviet embassy to convene and strategize. Cora Weiss headed one of the IPS's most successful forays -- into Riverside Church in Manhattan. She was invited there in 1978 by the Reverend William Sloane Coffin to run the church's Disarmament Program, which sought to consolidate Soviet nuclear superiority in Europe -- in the name of "peace." In 1982 Weiss helped organize the largest pro-disarmament demonstration ever held. Staged in New York City, the rally was attended by a coalition of communist organizations. During her decade-long tenure at Riverside, which became home to the National Council of Churches, Weiss regularly received Russian KGB agents, Sandinista friends, and Cuban intelligence agents. Weiss became infamous for her role in the psychological warfare conducted against U.S. prisoners of war held in the infamous "Hanoi Hilton" during the Vietnam War.

The Liberation News Service, which is a news source for hundreds of "alternative" publications nationwide (with antiwar, Marxist-oriented perspectives), was founded in 1967 with IPS assistance."

[lots more at link...]

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/groupProfile.asp?grpid=6991

16 posted on 01/08/2009 8:30:33 PM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: buccaneer81

Both TWA and Boeing have a strong interest in not having people so scared of terrorism that they won’t fly.


17 posted on 01/08/2009 8:31:38 PM PST by null and void (Amendment 28: Islam is not recognized as an established religion in the United States. ~ farmer18th)
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To: buccaneer81

Hey, I was involved in a situation about 1/100 or less of this magnitude, and when management calls in the lawyers and they all ‘meet’ with the pertinent ‘parties’ I happen to KNOW that things just get ‘solved’ real well.
Glad I am too old to care anymore, and that is what matters to these players: new generations are entering the field and those that know what is going on just fade away... good for them, I know I WILL sleep well!


18 posted on 01/08/2009 8:32:20 PM PST by elpinta (Insured by Walther, Glock, Smith & Wesson. Protected with 7.62 & 12 ga.)
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To: Sioux-san

...Who knows what evil,,, lurks in the hearts of men??? The shadow government knows,,, Hurhurhurhurhur


19 posted on 01/08/2009 8:36:20 PM PST by gargoyle (..."If this be treason, make the most of it.". Patrick Henry...)
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To: null and void
Both TWA and Boeing have a strong interest in not having people so scared of terrorism that they won’t fly.

Yeah, considering what we've seen recently, a number of corporations seem not to care a bit about their reputations. Not if there's money to be had by letting their reputation be trashed, or by trashing it themselves.

20 posted on 01/08/2009 8:38:29 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: buccaneer81

Just the CEO of TWA at the time... he ended up living a pretty cush life after that. I worked for TWA at the time of the 800 shoot down and worked the 800 info desk as it was all being sorted out. You know, “was my son/daughter/wife/etc on that flight that got shot down?” type of questions.


22 posted on 01/08/2009 8:41:36 PM PST by Uriah_lost (Is there no balm in Gilead?....)
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To: The Bat Man
the agency who created that ridiculous CIA animation/explanation

No kidding. As if that aluminum can was going to continue to fly, much less climb, after the entire forward third of the fuselage was gone.

23 posted on 01/08/2009 8:42:41 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: Uriah_lost
I worked for TWA at the time of the 800 shoot down and worked the 800 info desk as it was all being sorted out. You know, “was my son/daughter/wife/etc on that flight that got shot down?” type of questions.

That had to suck.

24 posted on 01/08/2009 8:43:22 PM PST by buccaneer81 (Bob Taft has soiled the family name for the next century.)
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To: al baby

Not more than a week ago, I was called an idiot by “Carl from Marietta”, a long-time Freeper, for daring to voice the opinion that flight 800 was a terrorist attack. Obviously there are conflicting positions on this at FR.

I really hate being called an idiot.


25 posted on 01/08/2009 8:44:42 PM PST by beelzepug (the Gadsden flag is now flying in my front yard)
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To: Sioux-san

Sandy Berger turned the job down and Panetta was the last man standing.


26 posted on 01/08/2009 8:45:43 PM PST by Toespi
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To: null and void

Now, if we could only get that film posted on Youtube. Even so, would anyone care?


27 posted on 01/08/2009 8:47:23 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: beelzepug
But I am the resident idiot here so its no big deal

Having said that I think TWA 800 stinks to high Heaven

28 posted on 01/08/2009 8:48:14 PM PST by al baby (Hi mom Mr. Obama, are you aware that Sarah Palin took on her own party’s establishment in Alaska a)
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To: al baby

Agree.

If it was a center fuel tank wire or an overheated A/C unit, those babies would be popping like popcorn on a hot tin roof.

Someday the truth will come out.

Oh, and the November, 2001 plane that went down off Rockaway beach—that was another terrorist attack. The shoe bombber Reid was caught less than a month later in flight.


29 posted on 01/08/2009 8:49:20 PM PST by exit82 (The Obama Cabinet: There was more brainpower on Gilligan's Island.)
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To: al baby

A very liberal friend of mine assures me the missile came from an Army Reserve base in New Jersey. She refuses to tell me how she knows this.


30 posted on 01/08/2009 8:50:48 PM PST by Wiser now (Happiness is not an absence of problems, but the ability to deal with them.)
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To: The Bat Man

I am a bat


33 posted on 01/08/2009 8:53:29 PM PST by al baby (Hi mom Mr. Obama, are you aware that Sarah Palin took on her own party’s establishment in Alaska a)
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To: theBuckwheat

this is a rather interesting production....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L6BUXu0AEpg


34 posted on 01/08/2009 8:54:30 PM PST by winoneforthegipper
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To: al baby; Carl from Marietta

ping pong


35 posted on 01/08/2009 8:54:38 PM PST by al baby (Hi mom Mr. Obama, are you aware that Sarah Palin took on her own party’s establishment in Alaska a)
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To: buccaneer81

Yeah it did, especially since I had just come out of training. Some of our people had to be forcibly removed from the phones after they had been there more than 24 hours straight. It was the only company I ever worked at that inspired that level of loyalty. Sadly, it wasn’t enough.
When American bought us out, I ran into the CEO at the time, who had been a carreer Captain there and he teared up talking about that and the buyout. Yeah I miss the hell out of it. I think he knew that, no matter what AA promised, TWA was dead and the TWA family was going to be dumped. 9/11 was just a convienient excuse to them.
Yes, I remain bitter.


36 posted on 01/08/2009 8:54:49 PM PST by Uriah_lost (Is there no balm in Gilead?....)
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To: Sioux-san
So this is where the bomb exploded?" I [Clarke] asked. "Where on the plane was it?"

"The explosion was just forward of the middle, below the floor of the passenger compartment, below row 23. But it wasn't a bomb," he [the technician] added. "See the pitting pattern and the tear. It was a slow, gaseous eruption, from inside."

"What's below row 23?" I asked, slowly sensing that this was not what I thought it was.

"The center line fuel tank. It was only half full, might have heated up on the runway and caused a gas cloud inside. Then if a spark, a short circuit ..." He indicated an explosion with his hands.

Wow, Clarke's book reads like a bad movie script...

37 posted on 01/08/2009 8:56:22 PM PST by Homer1
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To: Wiser now

>> A very liberal friend of mine assures me the missile came from an Army Reserve base in New Jersey. She refuses to tell me how she knows this.

If you mean it was launched from NJ, that’s rather far from the incident.


39 posted on 01/08/2009 8:58:10 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: Sioux-san
"See the pitting pattern and the tear. It was a slow, gaseous eruption, from inside."

Snow job.

A fuel-air explosion from JP fuel does not cause pitting in metal. That requires a much higher VOD... Think about it: if a single fuel-air combustion eroded metal, the lifetime of a diesel piston would be next to nothing...

40 posted on 01/08/2009 9:01:22 PM PST by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...!!)
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To: Sioux-san

Adding an older link related to “the video”

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57375


41 posted on 01/08/2009 9:02:35 PM PST by happinesswithoutpeace (You are receiving this broadcast as a dream)
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To: Sioux-san
I have heard from at least a hundred individuals who saw the same video as Young. None of them could provide this level of detail, and not just because they lacked Young’s experience. The video was pulled from American TV within hours of its being first aired.

I distinctly remember seeing this video too in the aftermath of the crash. It stood out because it was a clear image of a missile hitting the plane.

42 posted on 01/08/2009 9:06:34 PM PST by DouglasKC
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To: Gene Eric
If you mean it was launched from NJ, that’s rather far from the incident.

It was a long range, shoulder launched, heat seeking, optically guided, shaped warhead, proximity fuzed, armor penetrating missile.

Just don't ask me, or anybody else, to identify the manufacturer or model - if *I* could tell you, they'd have already killed me.

43 posted on 01/08/2009 9:14:52 PM PST by Hoplite
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To: Sioux-san
Panetta was among those reinforcing the less scary bomb theory. CNN quoted him as saying that “chemical residues had been found on some of the bodies and plane parts.”...at the very least Panetta should be asked what made him think a bomb was involved in TWA 800 and why he changed his mind - just for the record.....
44 posted on 01/08/2009 9:20:48 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: beelzepug

http://www.freerepublic.com/forum/t1000212.htm


45 posted on 01/08/2009 9:25:54 PM PST by FreeInWV (A moose bit my sister. Then Sarah Palin shot it.)
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To: Wiser now

I do not believe this....there is no way this could have been hidden. If it was brought down, it was by terrorists. Many believe the plane that went down in Queens was a shoe bomber type thing.- possible.


46 posted on 01/08/2009 9:51:48 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: al baby

Why not aknowledge a terrorist attack? I don’t know much about TWA 800, I know that there are those who insist they saw something else, but I can’t see why the cover up. A terrorist attack and Clinton would be the war president and would guarantee his reelection. And how do they manage to still keep it secret, when we can’t keep classified info secret? And since Clinton is out and Obama in.....why not spring the story now, especially would have been helpful in derailing Hillary’s campaign.

I’m not trying to be combative, I was still in highschool when it happened and didn’t follow it much at all. I’m just wondering why the cover up? It doesn’t make sense to me.


47 posted on 01/08/2009 9:57:03 PM PST by mockingbyrd
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To: mockingbyrd

ping


48 posted on 01/08/2009 9:59:31 PM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Ben Mugged
Paranoia will destroy ya.

Paranoia be damned!

Over 130 witnesses from all around Long Island Sound gave testimony similar to that described here - a streak going up from the surface and a subsequent small, then large, fireball.

The OVERWHELMING CORROBORATION was that these unrelated witnesses, spread over a wide arc, provided corroborating triangulation information as to the origin of the launch.

In other words, these multiple, unrelated, witnesses, with no knowledge of each other, validated each others' story by independently, yet collectively, pinpointing the launch location

49 posted on 01/08/2009 10:08:45 PM PST by Wil H (No Accomplishments, No Experience, No Resume No Records, No References, Nobama..)
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To: Non-Sequitur

Ping to one of your favorite amusements.


50 posted on 01/08/2009 10:10:32 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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