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Nursing industry: Please accept a job with us
Denver Post / The Associated Press ^ | January 9, 2009 | Dinesh Ramde

Posted on 01/09/2009 5:23:45 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

MILWAUKEE — Please, please accept a high-paying job with us. In fact, just swing by for an interview and we'll give you a chance to win cash and prizes.

Sounds too good to be true, especially in an economy riddled with job cuts in nearly every industry. But applicants for nursing jobs are still so scarce that recruiters have been forced to get increasingly inventive.

One Michigan company literally rolled out a red carpet at a recent hiring event. Residential Home Health, which provides in-home nursing for seniors on Medicare, lavished registered nurses and other health care workers with free champagne and a trivia contest hosted by game-show veteran Chuck Woolery. Prizes included a one-year lease for a 2009 SUV, hotel stays and dinners.

"We're committed to finding ways to creatively engage with passive job seekers," said David Curtis, president of the Madison Heights-based company.

Recruiters like Curtis may have little choice. The long-standing U.S. nurse shortage has led to chronic understaffing that can threaten patient care and nurses' job satisfaction, and the problem is expected to worsen.

The shortage has been operating since World War II on an eight- to 10-year cycle, industry experts say. Each time the number of nurses reaches a critical low, the government adds funding and hospitals upgrade working conditions. But as the deficit eases, those retention efforts fade and eventually the old conditions return, often driving nurses into other professions.

"We recently had a hiring event where, for experienced nurses to interview — just to interview — we gave them $50 gas cards," said Tom Zinda, the director of recruitment at Wheaton Franciscan Healthcare in the Milwaukee-area city of Glendale. "We really try to get as creative as we can.

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If you're out of work, maybe the medical field is the answer.
1 posted on 01/09/2009 5:23:45 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My daughter is currently in Nursing School - already has one degree, this will be #2 and will pay the bills...


2 posted on 01/09/2009 5:27:24 PM PST by WhyisaTexasgirlinPA (Computer says No..... Carole Beer)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The problem with going into medicine is that they won’t let you in. They think that the more doctors and nurses they have, the more healthcare costs.


3 posted on 01/09/2009 5:28:20 PM PST by Brilliant
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To: grellis

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5 posted on 01/09/2009 5:30:09 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Nursing is a very durable career

Wherever you go, you will always have a job
unless you have gotten severely screwed up...

Must be highly tolerant of bodily fluids however


6 posted on 01/09/2009 5:34:10 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Tough job dealing with pain, suffering, and death all day. But it’s one of the few in demand.


7 posted on 01/09/2009 5:36:13 PM PST by TheWasteLand
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Problem with Nursing is growth. You start out with a great salary right out of school, 30 years later you're making maybe 25-30K more, your back is shot and your feet hurt all the time.
8 posted on 01/09/2009 5:39:23 PM PST by JrsyJack (Oh dem golden slippers!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Talk about being born 40 years too soon! I hold a BSRN and back in my career days--60's and early 70's--there was always work to be found, but it didn't pay very well.

I held one job that paid minimum wage!

9 posted on 01/09/2009 5:39:46 PM PST by basil (Outlaw gun free zones!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

If you read the article carefully it says that they treat nurses well until the critical shortage is alleviated. Then they treat them poorly and nurses leave the field in DROVES. Then it starts all over again.

Nurses are factory-workers. Like police.

Become a nurse if you want to be a factory worker.


10 posted on 01/09/2009 5:41:35 PM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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11 posted on 01/09/2009 5:43:09 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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12 posted on 01/09/2009 5:43:44 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: Chickensoup

You don’t seem to know anything about nursing.


13 posted on 01/09/2009 5:45:52 PM PST by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: secret garden

I know tons about nursing.


14 posted on 01/09/2009 5:51:56 PM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m sure that if an employer wanted nurses and was willing to pay them $10-20 an hour more than they would earn elsewhere for comparable work, they would have little problem filling their vacancies. This is a shortage of nurses willing to take what employers currently want to pay.


15 posted on 01/09/2009 5:59:38 PM PST by RKBA Democrat (Lord Jesus Christ, Son of God, have mercy on me, a sinner!)
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To: Chickensoup

I seriously doubt it. Your comments speak volumes about how little you know about the profession.


16 posted on 01/09/2009 6:05:43 PM PST by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: RKBA Democrat

There are many problems within the profession, mostly the range of educational levels that are allowed to call themselves nurses and the lack of increase in salary to correspond to experience. The more education you attain, the farther from the bedside you end up, to be compensated adequately. Many nurses enter the field to be in direct contact with people and see the difference they can make. Without that type of gratification, it can turn into a regular office job, which doesn’t require clinical skills, so why bother going to nursing school? It’s easier to go get an MBA.


17 posted on 01/09/2009 6:14:34 PM PST by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: secret garden

You are talking out your hat.

If you dont like what I say, rebut it.

But stop making thin air pronouncements you cant back up.


18 posted on 01/09/2009 6:17:18 PM PST by Chickensoup (we owe HUSSEIN & Democrats the exact kind respect & loyalty that they showed us, Bush & Reagan)
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To: Chickensoup

I don’t need to rebut a thing. You are proving my point. Have a nice night.


19 posted on 01/09/2009 6:21:40 PM PST by secret garden (Dubiety reigns here)
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To: Chickensoup

“If you read the article carefully it says that they treat nurses well until the critical shortage is alleviated. Then they treat them poorly and nurses leave the field in DROVES.”

Where did it say this? I read the article and didn’t see these claims.


20 posted on 01/09/2009 6:23:45 PM PST by death2tyrants
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To: F15Eagle

I stayed at a Holiday Inn Express last night. :-)


21 posted on 01/09/2009 6:26:56 PM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Great job perhaps, but first you have to survive the brain damage of college. Liberal college professors can and will make your education a nightmare.


22 posted on 01/09/2009 6:29:52 PM PST by whipitgood (Real Americans don't allow socialists to take over their country.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The problem with Nursing is the education system run by unionized educrats.

There are not enough spots in Nursing Schools. Getting one is time and resource-consuming. And often infuriating.

However, if you make it through, it is one of the most satisfying careers there is. Lucrative too, if you’re willing to put in the hours. Also relatively immune to economic conditions, as people get sick no matter what the economy is doing.

(ICU Nurse)


23 posted on 01/09/2009 6:37:51 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: Chickensoup

You obviously don’t know $hit about nursing.


24 posted on 01/09/2009 6:39:15 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: whipitgood

Amen!


25 posted on 01/09/2009 6:40:37 PM PST by clee1 (We use 43 muscles to frown, 17 to smile, and 2 to pull a trigger. I'm lazy and I'm tired of smiling.)
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To: JrsyJack
Problem with Nursing is growth. You start out with a great salary right out of school, 30 years later you're making maybe 25-30K more, your back is shot and your feet hurt all the time.

Another big problem I've seen is the expectation to work all types of oddball hours - night, weekends, holidays or whenever. 2 of my daughters friends have mothers that are nurses and I can tell you that their job schedule has virtually destroyed their family life.

26 posted on 01/09/2009 6:43:44 PM PST by LuxAerterna
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To: secret garden

Surely you jest, secret garden. Sheeez. What’s with the daggers? From my experience, Chickensoup is on the mark.

Bluebird RN


27 posted on 01/09/2009 6:54:00 PM PST by Bluebird Singing
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To: LuxAerterna

“........the expectation to work all types of oddball hours-nights.weekends holidays........”
The problem is hospitals have to operate 24/7/365.


28 posted on 01/09/2009 6:58:31 PM PST by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: LuxAerterna
Exactly. If you work a lower paying doctors office nurse job, you can get regular hours. Otherwise you work 12 hour shifts.

The problem with nursing isn't how the hospital treats you, it's how the patients AND their families treat you. The arrogance and sense of entitlement they feel often manifests itself in demands that the hospital treat them like they're all staying in a 5-star hotel. The nasty disposition of the patients and their families towards the nursing staff will shock you once you start to witness enough of it and see how easily that patient changes from total asshole to kind, worshiper once the doctor comes by the room for a 2 minute visit.

After listening to all the stories of the crap my wife and her coworkers get to put up with, I'm frankly losing my ability to be empathetic towards sick people.

EXCEPTION: WWII participants. These people are the always polite and respectful with an extraodinary desire to do things for themselves. Which is why my wife has to always remind them that she is there to assist them, and to not do certain things on their own.

29 posted on 01/09/2009 7:08:39 PM PST by Diplomat
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To: TheWasteLand
The reasons I am not cut out for medical field.
30 posted on 01/09/2009 7:16:36 PM PST by wally_bert (Tactical Is Still Missing A Chair! Star Wreck In The Pirkinning......)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When I was in college one frat house used to have parties called “Wednesday night hoggers”. It was because nurse-candidates took a load of tests on Tuesday and wanted to unwind. Some were cute, most were hoggers. A lot didn’t graduate, many pregnancies as well, they were worse than the grads.

Wednesday night hoggers were like 2:00AM at the local bar, any warm body will satisfy.


31 posted on 01/09/2009 7:38:55 PM PST by Eagles2003
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To: secret garden
the real problem is this......newly graduated nurses do not stay where the critical need is....hospitals and nursing homes and home care....

the newer nurses all want to "go on" and become nurse practitioners or educators or some other......

nursing in hospitals is grueling, back breaking, emotionally draining and you must keep up with all the new computerization, new drugs, treatments etc.....

but its a hellava job with such amazing human stories.....its just unbelievable the experiences ....but you have to like people to appreciate it.....

32 posted on 01/09/2009 8:47:37 PM PST by cherry
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To: Brilliant

The problem with going into medicine is that they won’t let you in. They think that the more doctors and nurses they have, the more healthcare costs.

Who is “They”?? I thot efficient nursing and physician staffing actually lowers costs.


33 posted on 01/09/2009 8:52:41 PM PST by bushwon
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

My sister is just finishing up her nursing degree.

She’s about to bank.


34 posted on 01/09/2009 8:55:54 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: clee1

“The problem with Nursing is the education system run by unionized educrats.

There are not enough spots in Nursing Schools. Getting one is time and resource-consuming. And often infuriating.”

<<<I agree that there are not enough spots in nursing schools, and getting in is tough.

As the government regulates the nursing schools, they regulate the number of seats available, so like many problems, look to various levels of government for part of the cause.

Many of the nursing instructors are not educrats but capitalists who can make more money in private industry than in nursing education, so schools have a hard time keeping teaching staff which also contributes to the number of slots available. This is what I was told by a nursing professor last spring who teaches at a state school with approx. 450 pre-nursing freshman, of which 43 may be chosen for nursing program their junior year.


35 posted on 01/09/2009 9:06:55 PM PST by bushwon
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To: Chickensoup

“Become a nurse if you want to be a factory worker.”

Tell me, what would you recommend (especially for women) in terms of careers that guarantee a job upon graduation from either a 2 (RN) or 4(BSN)-year degree with a livable wage? How many factory worker jobs are out there in this recession paying $50,000+ to start.

How many factory workers can do 2 more years past BSN and become nursing practioner or physician assistant?


36 posted on 01/09/2009 9:12:51 PM PST by bushwon
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To: Chickensoup

“they treat nurses well until the critical shortage is alleviated.”

When there’s a shortage, nurses are in high demand and are well treated; when there’s a glut, nurses are in low demand and are ill treated.

How is this different from any other profession, job, or career?

Sounds like the natural equilibrium between the supply of nurses and the demand for them that would normally exist in a free market for healthcare has been short-circuited, probably by the entity that excels in short-circuiting markets: government.


37 posted on 01/09/2009 9:28:06 PM PST by GoodDay (Palin for POTUS 2012)
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To: Chickensoup

Since at least the 1960’s there has been a critical on going, unending Nursing Shortage.

My 52 Years of with the Nursing profession: My mom was Head Nurse Cedars in LA

Sister: RNBSN Cardiac Rehab North Ridge.

My Wife RNBSN Trauma Nurse ten years Desert Regional Hospital.


38 posted on 01/09/2009 9:29:50 PM PST by NoLibZone (Islam must be completely eradicated from the face of the Earth.)
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To: bushwon

The problem isn’t just a shortage of spots, but that the educators feel it is their “duty” to decide what is “nursing material”. As a result, most nursing classes undergo 20-40% attrition, with some as high as 70%.

Schools are only normally graded on high many of their graduates pass the entrance exam to be a nurse. They aren’t graded on what percentage of accepted applicants actually pass. Besides, most programs “bank” on all the aspiring wanna-bes taking pre-reqs, not the actual program itself. So, who really cares how many students get failed out? They’re a dime a dozen and the waiting list is around the corner. That’s the attitude.

As far instructors go, liberal idiots. I had to answer the most inane questions in liberally contorted ways to pass. If not for the “2 rules of college”, I would have failed out.

I tell new grads to forget 80% of what they learned in school because school doesn’t teach you how to be a nurse; it’s just the hazing.

That said, I make a good salary and can work all the overtime I want. I’m no angel, though. I don’t try to be. Instead, I’m a highly trained, highly experienced beside monitor, technician and interventioner. I don’t get paid for what I do, but rather, on what I prevent.

Ziravan, CCRN.


39 posted on 01/09/2009 9:31:49 PM PST by ziravan (Hiring a democrat to cut taxes is like hiring a pedophile to babysit.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here’s one I ask every nurse;

Q: What’s the difference between a rectal and an oral thermometer?

A: Taste.


40 posted on 01/09/2009 9:32:01 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult (The man who said "there's no such thing as a stupid question" has never talked to Helen Thomas.)
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To: ziravan

2 rules of college:

1. Instructor is always right.
2. If you wanna pass, see rule #1.


41 posted on 01/09/2009 9:35:01 PM PST by ziravan (Hiring a democrat to cut taxes is like hiring a pedophile to babysit.)
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To: Chickensoup

you are exactly correct.

And it is nothing like factory work, unless you are working on the assembly line underwater with fire overhead and people shooting at you at the same time.

Our Medical system could actually be saved by hiring enough nurses that allow them to work without the resulting burnout.


42 posted on 01/09/2009 10:44:07 PM PST by HonestConservative (http://operationvalentine.blogspot.com/)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
A degree as a registered Nurse (RN), can be taken at the Associates level. This means it will take approximately two years to complete. Because of the intensity of the program, and the prerequisites required, it usually takes longer than what is indicated above. The recommendation would be to complete - at least - all the exact sciences before entering the clinical phase. This way the nursing will be the sole focus. There is a much greater chance of success by doing it this way.

In addition, an individual can also take a Bachelor's of Science in Nursing (BSN). This would take approximately four years We also make the same recommendation as we did with the (RN), degree it usually takes longer than what is indicated above to complete five or more years so get the exact sciences done before entering the clinical phase.

From a school of Nursing in Houston TX.

43 posted on 01/09/2009 11:19:37 PM PST by BellStar (Please God give us another Chance!)
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To: Chickensoup

I don’t think you know squat. My wife is a nurse and makes huge hourly wages, sets her own hours, and teaches on the side. It’s a great career and one of the few places they recruit white males. My son is law wanted to do x ray technician work, and the hospital promised to put him through school to become a nurse.

Factory work? Hardly. My wife has been doing it for twenty years.


44 posted on 01/09/2009 11:21:55 PM PST by Luke21
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To: secret garden; Chickensoup
You don’t seem to know anything about nursing.

LMHO!

45 posted on 01/10/2009 12:34:50 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: LaineyDee

Ping!


46 posted on 01/10/2009 12:35:21 AM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: ziravan

Spot on....


47 posted on 01/10/2009 4:33:09 AM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: JrsyJack
You start out with a great salary right out of school, 30 years later you're making maybe 25-30K more, your back is shot and your feet hurt all the time.

Not to mention it takes that long to pay off your student loans! *chuckle*

48 posted on 01/10/2009 4:40:45 AM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: HonestConservative
Our Medical system could actually be saved by hiring enough nurses that allow them to work without the resulting burnout.

I cannot work in the facility atmosphere anymore. The bureaucrats and bean counters have made it almost impossible.

I started in nursing when hospitals were mostly private entities and the owners had a vested interest in patients receiving good care.

Then came the big corporations...and it all went downhill. Suddenly...we had to work 12hr shifts, had less personnel to do an effective job....and supplies on the floor were often rationed to a point of being ridiculous.

Burnout became the norm.....and nurses eating their own ...became sport.

49 posted on 01/10/2009 5:05:09 AM PST by LaineyDee (Don't mess with Texas wimmen!)
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To: bushwon

It does, but I’m just telling you what our healthcare policy is. Our healthcare policy is designed to prevent people from becoming doctors and nurses. And it’s designed to prevent people from investing capital in facilities and equipment, as well. It’s based on the assumption that you can reduce costs by not investing.


50 posted on 01/10/2009 5:14:09 AM PST by Brilliant
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