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Doing the Math to Find the Good Jobs
The Wall Street Journal ^ | 2009-01-06

Posted on 01/09/2009 5:47:48 PM PST by rabscuttle385

Mathematicians Land Top Spot in New Ranking of Best and Worst Occupations in the U.S.

BY SARAH E. NEEDLEMAN
The Wall Street Journal

Nineteen years ago, Jennifer Courter set out on a career path that has since provided her with a steady stream of lucrative, low-stress jobs. Now, her occupation — mathematician — has landed at the top spot on a new study ranking the best and worst jobs in the U.S.

"It's a lot more than just some boring subject that everybody has to take in school," says Ms. Courter, a research mathematician at mental images Inc., a maker of 3D-visualization software in San Francisco. "It's the science of problem-solving."

The study, released Tuesday from CareerCast.com, a new job site, evaluates 200 professions to determine the best and worst according to five criteria inherent to every job: environment, income, employment outlook, physical demands and stress. (CareerCast.com is published by Adicio Inc., in which Wall Street Journal owner News Corp. holds a minority stake.)

(Excerpt) Read more at online.wsj.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: career; careers; education; jobs; math; mathematics

1 posted on 01/09/2009 5:47:48 PM PST by rabscuttle385
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2 posted on 01/09/2009 5:48:22 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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Too bad that the Socialist nanny staters systematically dismantled U.S. educational institutions to the point where the majority of students in graduate-level technical programs such as the physical and applied sciences and engineering are...foreigners or children of foreigners.

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3 posted on 01/09/2009 5:50:46 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

I knew a constipated mathematician, at one time.

He had to work it out with a pencil.


4 posted on 01/09/2009 5:51:13 PM PST by Nervous Tick (I've left Cynical City... bound for Jaded.)
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To: rabscuttle385
And from our friends at
xkcd.com


5 posted on 01/09/2009 6:04:42 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: HangnJudge

LOL!!!


6 posted on 01/09/2009 6:06:05 PM PST by rabscuttle385 ("If this be treason, then make the most of it!" —Patrick Henry)
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To: rabscuttle385

When I was younger (back in college), I heard that actuaries had the best job satisfaction with the balance of earnings and stress and workload, but I thought accountants were boring. Ironically, years later, I worked at a Big 8 (6, 5) Accounting firm as a computer programmer, in a stress-filled position.


7 posted on 01/09/2009 6:08:03 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (Teachers open the door. It's up to you to enter. Before the late bell. When I close the door.)
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To: rabscuttle385
LOL!!!

My nephew turned me on to XKCD.com last year
it is a nerds idea of a hoot!
Todays comic...

8 posted on 01/09/2009 6:11:03 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: rabscuttle385

Want a real job? Do 5 years in the Army, then get a degree in math.

You will never be unemployed again.


9 posted on 01/09/2009 6:17:24 PM PST by patton (SPQA)
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To: rabscuttle385

According to YAHOO today, these are the best jobs to get into now:
1. Restructuring Officers
2. Turnaround Experts
3. Distressed Asset Managers
4. Bankruptcy Attorneys
5. Financial Analysts
6. Budget Analysts

No joke. Says something about what is in store for this country.


10 posted on 01/09/2009 6:40:48 PM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: HangnJudge
Chemists defer only to physicists.

Physicists defer only to mathematicians.

Mathematicians defer only to God.

11 posted on 01/09/2009 6:40:57 PM PST by sima_yi ( Palin / Jindal 2012)
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To: sima_yi
Mathematicians defer only to God.

Mathematics is the language with which God has written the Universe.
Galileo Galilei

12 posted on 01/09/2009 6:45:51 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: HangnJudge

Absolutely!


13 posted on 01/09/2009 6:50:38 PM PST by sima_yi ( Palin / Jindal 2012)
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To: rabscuttle385
Find X.JPG
14 posted on 01/09/2009 6:53:48 PM PST by Nateman
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To: rabscuttle385

As a graduate student with a masters in mathematics who will be starting a PhD in the fall I can tell you this article is misleading.

They should make a clear that because something is a “great job” it doesn’t mean that it is a great or even good career path for most people. Being a top-ten pro golfer is also a great job but not everyone can do it or can wind up in that position.

Sure, being a tenured professor or an established mathematician is nice work but is it, among other things, worth an extra five or six more years of hard schooling and stress?

And even then you need the ability to earn tenure by writing good papers in things like operator theory or algebraic topology. Believe me it’s not “low-stress” (at least not for the normal human being) thinking about such things all day. And college teaching is increasingly like high-school teaching with herds of disinterested, barely literate students keeping the seats warm in calculus classes.

I could have been an engineer, or chemist, or accountant and be making more than I expect to earn another three or four years from now IF I can find a decent job at a university or in research (it is insanely competitive for those jobs right now).


15 posted on 01/09/2009 7:09:30 PM PST by Catphish
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To: Nateman
Ah, Women and Math jokes
such a fertile field

My favorite...
/duck


16 posted on 01/09/2009 7:09:38 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: rabscuttle385

How the heck did ‘parole officer’ make it near the top of the list?


17 posted on 01/09/2009 7:15:39 PM PST by Sloth (I am the governed, and I hereby withhold my consent.)
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To: sima_yi
Mathematicians defer only to God.

And who do you think God calls when His network crashes?

18 posted on 01/09/2009 7:20:30 PM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: IronJack
Mathematicians defer only to God.
And who do you think God calls when His network crashes?


God's network never crashes
Nodes crash themselves
19 posted on 01/09/2009 7:24:11 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: HangnJudge

You owe me a new keyboard!


20 posted on 01/09/2009 7:44:41 PM PST by sima_yi ( Palin / Jindal 2012)
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To: sima_yi
Mathematicians defer only to God.

Math is an imaginary thinking tool. The real world can only be approximated using mathematics. Let me know when mathematicians can compute tomorrow's weather.

21 posted on 01/09/2009 7:46:53 PM PST by Reeses (Leftism is powered by the evil force of envy.)
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To: Catphish
disinterested, barely literate students keeping the seats warm in calculus classes.

Disintested means objective --you mean UNinterested.

22 posted on 01/09/2009 9:27:34 PM PST by gaijin
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To: gaijin
Actually, that's right. That's why mathematics is the most rigorous field : it is *completely* objective.

3 > 2 (except for unusually large values of 2).

Cheers!

23 posted on 01/09/2009 9:49:52 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: snarks_when_bored

Like, *PING*, dude.


24 posted on 01/09/2009 9:50:27 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: rabscuttle385

I already knew math was a great career.


25 posted on 01/09/2009 10:29:09 PM PST by MathDoc (Don't blame me, I voted for Governor Palin and the wrinkly white-haired guy)
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To: grey_whiskers
3 > 2 (except for unusually large values of 2).

Or unusually small values of 3.

26 posted on 01/10/2009 4:04:01 AM PST by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: gaijin

That’s correct! Hoist by my own petard, I suppose (or is it hoisted?).


27 posted on 01/10/2009 4:14:12 AM PST by Catphish
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To: rabscuttle385

Without engineers, we’d be living in caves digging for grubs with a stick.

Without mathmaticians, we wouldn’t know how long the grubs are.

: )


28 posted on 01/10/2009 5:57:26 AM PST by sergeantdave (Michigan is a bigger mistake than your state.)
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To: Catphish
That’s correct! Hoist by my own petard, I suppose (or is it hoisted?)

Hamlet:
There's letters seal’d, and my two schoolfellows,
Whom I will trust as I will adders fang’d—
They bear the mandate, they must sweep my way
And marshal me to knavery. Let it work;
For ‘tis the sport to have the enginer
Hoist with his own petard, an’t shall go hard
But I will delve one yard below their mines
And blow them at the moon.

Hamlet Act 3, scene 4, 202–209

“Hoist with his own petard” literally means “blown up with his own mine.”
More generally, a “petard” is a hat-shaped device
which can be be charged with gunpowder.

29 posted on 01/10/2009 6:31:34 AM PST by HangnJudge
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To: HangnJudge
God's network never crashes

Just doin' muh job.

30 posted on 01/10/2009 7:46:42 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Tanniker Smith

Accountants are boring, but I’d rather interact with them than have the of job parole officer—14th best on the list?


31 posted on 01/10/2009 7:51:19 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: rabscuttle385

It is frightening that “sociologist” is so high on the list, given that the primary employer of sociologists is Government.


32 posted on 01/10/2009 3:34:44 PM PST by FreedomPoster (Obama: Carter's only chance to avoid going down in history as the worst U.S. president ever.)
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To: grey_whiskers
...Eric Nellans, who has been cutting timber for the past 11 years for Pike Lumber, is passionate about his profession. "It's a very rewarding job, especially at the end of the day when you see the work you accomplished," he says.

Some truths are eternal:

"People love chopping wood. In this activity one immediately sees results."  —Albert Einstein

33 posted on 01/11/2009 10:39:27 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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