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Posted on 01/11/2009 3:58:48 PM PST by Red Steel
Glenn Beck will start his new show on Fox News in only a few days. He wishes President Elect Obama success and his good will is commendable. With Obama as his first guest will he dare to ask him about the much disputed birth certificate or the question about his father’s Indonesian citizenship? Not likely!
Neither the Dem’s nor the GOP is happy with the Obama plan to re-vitalize the economy by producing a new spending package that makes a king’s ransom look like a pittance. His concern for the economy is read as hopeful by his devotees and as obfuscation by Attorney Philip Berg.
Pennsylvania’s Attorney Philip Berg has promised on his website ‘Obama Crimes’ to persist in his quest for the elusive birth certificate and the question of Obama’s Indonesian citizenship. Berg has kicked off two additional cases to answer the question and says “Also, we have pending two [2] other cases because we are determined, no matter how long it takes, to expose Obama’s “Hoax” on the 305 million people in our country, that Obama is “not qualified” pursuant to our U.S. Constitution to be President.” Obama Crimes Jan 9, 2008.
Many cases are pending that are asking the same question as Philip Berg. The question however simple now has a life of its own and it is now obvious it will not die easily. It is whether Barack Obama is in fact constitutionally eligible to assume the office of President. More than ten cases are pending throughout the country and new ones are planned until the matter is put to rest.
The latest challenge comes from Gregory S. Hollister a retired U.S. Air Force Colonel that like any military retiree could be called back to service at any time. It seems the Colonel is questioning whether Obama has the constitutional right to act as his Commander in Chief if he hasn’t the right to seek and assume the office of President. Can Obama act as his commander if he is actually the citizen of a foreign country?
The Hollister case filed in the United States District Court for the District of Columbia names Gregory S. Hollister as the plaintiff and Barry Soetero a/k/a Barack Hussein Obama as the defendant. Not many people know that the name that appears on Obama’s school records in Indonesia is indeed Barry Soetero. Although it is not mentioned in the charge that fact has also become one of the contentions of those who are questioning B.O. citizenship.
In Indonesia dual citizenship is not allowed by law. This simple fact would cancel and nullify Baracks US citizenship regardless of where he was born. What’s more is that there has been no public record in Indonesia or in the US of an official and legal name change from Barry Soetero to Barack Hussein Obama. Just who is it that won the general election in these United States? Apparently your guess is as good as mine.
Some contenders think Obama is like a receiver who has got the ball and thinks he can run with it even though the whistle has been blown. The whistle may be only in the background right now but the referee is about to catch another breath. What also is known about the Supreme Court of the US is that they usually decide these cases after the fact and not before. The inauguration will not make the question go away.
The number of people getting onboard the quest to require the omitted vetting of the President Elect is growing exponentially. AOL conducted a poll recently that drew thousands of responses most who thought Obama should be required to put up the evidence the constitution requires.
Some of the AOL responders are lawyers and other professionals but most are just average Joes. The kind of responses AOL is getting is like the young mother who said she had to produce a birth certificate for her son before he could play baseball in the local little league. Her question was blatantly simple but reasonable. If Junior needs a birth certificate to play ball shouldn’t the President of the US need one to sit in the White House?
Some internet blogs are handling the question reasonably and providing the materials for everyone to understand the question and keep them updated on all the new efforts. Most bloggers are respectful and fair but of course there are those who get nasty as usual. Often those raising this important question are labeled as racist, sore losers and names I can’t mention here. Although the naysayers are mostly ignored others try to make the point that it isn’t about, winning or losing, black or white, it is always and only about the law. In this case the highest law of the land, it is about the Constitution of the United States.
An article entitled “Dr. Orly Taitz: Conversation with Fitzgerald, Commentary on Lightfoot v. Bowen, GA Military Case?” on the conservative “Right Side of Life” website speaking of the newest case against Obama, “I believe the SCOTUS will not punt this case. It’s too important to upholding our Constitution. It’s hard for me to believe they would allow the Constitution to be destroyed on their watch. Especially after 2000. It’s hard for me to believe they will ignore it just to put a Black man in office. It’s hard for me to believe they will punt this case because of fear of Blacks threatening to start race riots. We cannot submit to blackmail or threats. We can not allow this country to be held hostage by race. I think it is clearly obvious too many people in DC know Barry is not eligible, and that is why Biden & Clinton have not resigned their Senate seats. I think it is proof they believe the SCOTUS will handle this issue and deal with it. I think Howard Dean wanting to get out supports my beliefs.” This case has been set for conference by Chief Justice John Roberts on January 23, 2009.
Other cases pending are in Hawaii, Indiana, District of Columbia, Kentucky, New York and Texas. Other individuals are seeking counsel to help them present their cases some which are military or ex-military people. These cases promise to be only the tip of the iceberg because millions of Americans are slowly but surely becoming aware of the breach of the constitution that has been made.
Millions of Americans don’t care what race or party Barack Obama is but only if he is satisfying the requirements of the Constitution. In fact Philip Berg is a Democrat as is Obama and Ambassador Alan Keyes who has filed suit in California is an African American.
If O’Reilly, Beck and Hannity are angering the liberal class that voted for Barack Obama by noting that the liberally bent main stream media helped Obama to a win the race they would be positively verdant at the recent polls taken by AOL. Other polls that are producing the same results are also now forthwith and most of the results can now be seen on the internet site called “How Obama Got Elected.”
It has been pointed out that Barack Obama has never created or helped to pass any significant legislation; he has never run a business or spent time serving in the military. Yet he proposes to pull this country out of the worst economic downturn it has seen in recent years all the while “we the people” don’t even know where he was actually born or if his name is Barry or Barack.
Is this undue fear or the hype of a few fringy folks on the internet? Is it really only about the economy? Let’s come in for a landing America before this great Republic comes down in a crash and check who it is that we have as our pilot. Most of us wouldn’t even get on a plane whose pilot had no certain citizenship or if nobody in the airline company actually knew his real name. I wouldn’t!
No, Barack or Barry; it is not about the economy, it is still about the constitution and we are still waiting for the answer. We may not mind if actors becomes governors or even if comedians become US Senators but we would like to know if our Presidents are actually US citizens. Help us with this Barack or should I say Barry?
GLENN BECK is sucking up to that fraud?
That’s sad.
**GLENN BECK is sucking up to that fraud?**
Which FRAUD ... NOBAMA or Berg??
Nobama has already Proven he is a FRAUD, Berg just hasn’t had the chance, yet.
I’m sorry, but Berg is like a HOUSE FIRE... sorry it has to happen, but you CANNOT STOP Watching.
HUSSEIN Nobama is also a burning CAR CRASH .. that slows down traffic for 100 miles.
Yes and also a terrific article.
Obama is Beck’s first guest for real???????
bump
Obama, “I believe no one is above the law.” A statement Obama said today on ABC News.
And I doubt that either man has that clear an understanding of their respective subjects.
I guess that made sense to you when you posted.
Why would any patriotic, thinking American wish success for a president whose policy prescriptions, insofar as we are able to understand them, would destroy our beloved country?
I suggest that Colonel Hollister ask Michael New how well deciding what orders are valid and what are not works.
In Indonesia dual citizenship is not allowed by law. This simple fact would cancel and nullify Baracks US citizenship regardless of where he was born.
Only if you accept that Indonesian law supercedes U.S. law. If Obama was born in the U.S. then he's a natural born U.S. citizen. And as such only he can relinquish his citizenship and only when he reaches adulthood. If that contradicts with Indonesian law then it would be the Indonesian citizenship, if any, that was suspect and not his U.S. citizenship.
I think Beck wants to give Obama the chance to succeed for him to see the light and make the correct decision despite his beliefs and past actions. We all know the chances of that happening is slim and none.
While Beck can be a real conservative firebrand, sometimes he gets all emo and whiny.
As far as the birth certificate thing....drop it it is going nowhere and we all know it. I put more stock in the Roswell cover up than I do the missing Obama birth certificate
And what about Hillary? By all initial accounts, she was the easy winner for their nomination. I assume she wanted the job and, after 8 years of watching her and her husband in action, I know she's ruthless about getting what she wants. Why didn't she play the B.C. card and take the O out of the game? A reasonable question, especially after she lost...until Barry started picking his team and they are all Clinton retreads, including her majesty herself.
And there is the matter of Grandma. He didn't hesitate to toss her under the campaign bus only to pick her back up and dust her off when the campaign moment required it. And all of a sudden, she's in the hospital and dies, her story and His history with her. Coincidence? Maybe. The family in mourning her death was touching...oh wait, they weren't.
Still wearing my designer aluminum head gear, I loved the Barry O Hawaiian vacation power failure. Happens all the time, but after 8 years of watching the Clinton Crime family in action, I bet that previously fraudulent BC tucked away is now a near perfect model now and still locked away and sealed from public view, just like all the other bits and pieces of the One's history.
I've shown mine to all sorts of people and agencies, including the enlistment recruiter and for getting a security clearance...but to be POTUS, Barry doesn't have to show his to anybody? What's up with that??
"No REPUBLICAN is above the law" --- fixed it...
“I was a constitutional law professor, which means unlike the current president I respect the constitution.”
Really???
Then it's TIME TO PROVE IT.
Is he back on the booze?
After all is said and done he won’t show the original vault birth certificate. It should be the simplest thing in the world. On the night of the election when he gave his acceptance speech he said he heard “all Americans’ voices, even those whose vote I didn’t get.” Well, Obama, if you meant that, what’s the harm in unlocking your original birth certificate and showing it to me as a citizen, if you really and truly “hear my voice.” My voice tells you I want to see it and see what hospital you were born in in Hawaii.
Your sister has a COLB too but she was born in Indonesia. A COLB is proof of “nuttin”.
I’ll make a deal with you Obama: I’ll show you mine if you’ll show me yours. :)
I’d like to see it go somewhere, but it probably will not.
“Your sister has a COLB too but she was born in Indonesia”
Do you have any evidence for the fact that she has a COLB, or are you just repeating something you have heard?
I have never been able to find any evidence that this is true. I believe that someone made it up, and it is just being repeated as fact around the internet.
Ping
I did not know Beck was doing this... he’s just lost a bit of my respect in my book... This looks to me like more “reaching across the aisle crap”
He was a LECTURER not a PROFESSOR. There is a difference.
star traveler is that you?
You just always find this topic. Let’s see what misinformation you spew tonight.
Let me guess.
SCOTUS has denied all cases.
Berg is a nut ball.
No one cares about this issue except BCtruthers.
How’s Uranus.
star, I mean non, get drew68 to post his nonsense too.
Everyone knows that you two do not support the US Constitution.
“Obama, “I believe no one is above the law.”
“No REPUBLICAN is above the law” -— fixed it... “
THANKS!
I am beginning to wonder what is really going on. Rush, O’Reiley, Beck, none of these big guns (ba**s of steel)are pulling any punches. None of them are touching this subject with a 10 ft pole. I am beginning to wonder if the orders are coming from the top. Are they afraid of the O? Are they afraid of the backlash? Truly, why is it they will not touch this subject?
But the issue is and remains that he was born in Kenya.
“as far as the birth certificate thing....drop it it is going nowhere and we all know it. I “
So nice of you to be so misguided that you have these delusions of speaking for a group so large.
This going no where as you mentioned is that why SCOTUS has scheduled 4 conferences concerning this issue?
“He was a LECTURER not a PROFESSOR...”
Yeah, but try telling that to his best buds at Fact Check.org
http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/was_barack_obama_really_a_constitutional_law.html
Link for "How Obama Got Elected":
I have never been able to find any evidence that this is true. I believe that someone made it up, and it is just being repeated as fact around the internet.
The only place I found mention of this is in Berg's Lawsuit. I mentioned this to R. Polarik and he said he was going to ask Phillip about it.
They’re skeered that if they touch it they will look like wingnuts to all their fancy rich, powerful and well connected friends. And if they touch it and 0 still stays President, he’d be mean to them. They are self serving eunuchs.
This excerp was taken from the Donofrio webpage.
”In Wong Kim Ark, the court thoroughly discussed “natural born citizen”. And in doing so, Justice Gray quoted directly from the holding in a prior Supreme Court case, Minor v. Happersett. The following passage is a quote from Minor as quoted by Justice Gray in Wong Kim Ark:
” ‘At common law, with the nomenclature of which the framers of the constitution were familiar, it was never doubted that all children born in a country, of parents who were its citizens, became themselves, upon their birth, citizens also. These were natives or natural-born citizens, as distinguished from aliens or foreigners. Some authorities go further, and include as citizens children born within the jurisdiction, without reference to the citizenship of their parents. As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first. For the purposes of this case, it is not necessary to solve these doubts. It is sufficient, for everything we have now to consider, that all children, born of citizen parents within the jurisdiction, are themselves citizens.’ Minor v. Happersett (1874) 21 Wall. 162, 166-168.”
(Emphasis added.)
Look at that, you have Justice Gray citing the court in Minor who are themselves citing the “Laws of Nations” definition (they didn’t directly cite that treatise but the definition used is taken therefrom) of natural born citizen = person born in US to “citizen parents” = nbc . In Minor, they clearly established who was a “natural born citizen” beyond any doubt, a definition that does not include Obama. As to persons born in the US to foreign parents they said, as directly quoted in Wong Kim Ark by Justice Gray, “As to this class there have been doubts, but never as to the first.“
If this is the case, then it appears that “natural born” citizen has been defined based upon the definition found in the “Laws of Nations” written in 1758 by E. Vatel. This would suffice as evidence of “original intent” definition by the founders who wrote the eligibility requirements into the Constitution in the first place. It also provides prior Supreme Court legal precedence upon which to base any decision about this subject today. Obama is not going to beat this rap.
All the “Conservative” talk show hosts saw the writing on the wall when the NRA produced a commercial to have shown before the election. The media wouldn’t show it after they were threatened with the FCC pulling their broadcast licenses. I fear this is only the beginning of the end of the freedoms for which America has become known and for which citizens have come to accept as fact.
Donofrio's logic is flawed. In the Ark case the Supreme Court said, "The fourteenth amendment of the constitution, in the declaration that 'all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside,' contemplates two sources of citizenship, and two only - birth and naturalization. Citizenship by naturalization can only be acquired by naturalization under the authority and in the forms of law. But citizenship by birth is established by the mere fact of birth under the circumstances defined in the constitution. Every person born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, becomes at once a citizen of the United States, and needs no naturalization." Justice Gray also noted "The foregoing considerations and authorities irresistibly lead us to these conclusions: The fourteenth amendment affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children here born of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory, and with the single additional exception of children of members of the Indian tribes owing direct allegiance to their several tribes. The amendment, in clear words and in manifest intent, includes the children born within the territory of the United States of all other persons, of whatever race or color, domiciled within the United States. Every citizen or subject of another country, while domiciled here, is within the allegiance and the protection, and consequently subject to the jurisdiction, of the United States."
If there are but two forms of citizenship - citizen at birth or naturalized - and if any person born in the U.S. is a citizen at birth, regardless of the nationality of his or her parents, then Obama is a citizen at birth. And if there are only two forms of citizen then citizen at birth and natural born citizen are one and the same.
And there is zero solid evidence to support that claim.
And everyone knows that you don't have any idea what you're talking about.
To date, yes.
Berg is a nut ball.
A fair description
No one cares about this issue except BCtruthers.
Pretty much.
Beck recently admonished his radio listeners to "go with your gut."
A bunch of us ARE going with our gut.
Our gut says Obama is a damn fraud and liar and an immediate threat to our freedom and way of life...and we have plenty of evidence to back it up.
We are buying guns and ammo not just because we worry about gun confiscation but because many of us believe we are going to have to fight AND SOON!
We have seen this man Obama or Soetero, or whomever he is, preach about spreading the wealth and expanding government. Our gut tells us this crap does not have any chance to help us but, instead, is our ticket to slavery under an incompetent, communist tyrant who is nothing but a Chicago thug.
Why would we wish this man well?
He is the most radical proponent of baby killing in Washington DC. No matter what, those unborn fetuses, in Obama's opinion, need to be snuffed at every stage of pregnancy so they don't become a "punishment" for their mothers.
Beck is the one ignoring his gut trying to pretend an obvious con man is just a misunderstood guy with noble intentions.
Beck, you are a jackass.
You would have watched the Germans under Hitler build the ovens and convinced yourself they were only interested in baking a lot of bread to feed all of us proud Germans.
Hey, Hitler only wants what is best for us proud German people.
Those of you out there who feel in your gut that Obama is dangerous ...YOU ARE RIGHT!
Prepare and be vigilant and don't listen to millionaire pundits on TV and radio who rely on mass ratings, pretending to be fiercely independent while consorting with the enemy.
How's it going so far?
One case was heard in conference on Friday, we await word from the court.
Two more are scheduled for conference this week and one for the 23rd.
While we may not win the early battles we will fight on. Which I’m sure you and yours hope will not be the case.
How’s star traveler and drew?
Have you made your plans to attend your fearless leaders crowning on the 20th?
No, I'm planning on being right here watching you and your buddies all say how the Supreme Court is going to take up the issue of Obama's birth certificate any day now, and how it's just waiting for the right moment to establish standing, and whatever loony tune theory catches your fancy that day.
Thank you.
After all this time the idiotic obots still don’t get that it is not enough for the POTUS to simply be a citizen. According to the Constitution, the POTUS must be a Natural Born Citizen.
I expect Steve Pidgeon will be filing their Washington State case shortly with the Supreme Court. Another one for the pipeline.
The court has already announced what cases it's going to here, and your case wasn't one of them. I'll predict right now that it won't be on the docket after Monday either. Or after Tuesday. Or after whatever day next week you care to specify.
Two more are scheduled for conference this week and one for the 23rd.
Which means that after the 23rd that will make...seven times that the matter has been taken to the court and been shot down? Or is it eight? It's so hard to keep track of them all.
While we may not win the early battles we will fight on.
Wasn't it Einstein who said that insanity was doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results?
Which I’m sure you and yours hope will not be the case.
On the contrary, the world would be a much duller place without you're tilting at your windmills.
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