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Why is Paki an unacceptable word, but not Brit? Because of Britain's bitter racial history
London Times ^ | January 12, 2009 | Murad Ahmed

Posted on 01/11/2009 4:59:19 PM PST by GOPGuide

Our little Paki friend... Ahmed.” Oh boy. I've heard that one before. But not as recently as the friends I spoke to yesterday in Oldham, a place where racial tensions spilled into riots not long ago. Apparently, they still get called Paki all the time. By whom? “Oh, just little kids on the street. What can you do? They're only children.” Prince Harry is not a child. He is unlucky only in that, unlike most young men, his worst moments end up splashed across the front page of newspapers.

That he thought it acceptable to use the word Paki to refer to a Pakistani colleague represents a pathetic failure in his upbringing. Someone, somewhere along the line - a wise grandparent perhaps - should have told him to cut it out. These days the word Paki is used only by those who don't know any better, rather than by those who should. The Equalities and Human Rights Commission thinks that we need an inquiry into the Prince's behaviour. What would we discover? That the third in line to the throne is a bit of an idiot? That is an open-and-shut case. But we should have an inquiry about the word Paki.

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: immigration; islam; princeharry
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1 posted on 01/11/2009 4:59:20 PM PST by GOPGuide
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To: GOPGuide
What would we discover? That the third in line to the throne is a bit of an idiot? That is an open-and-shut case.

Ouch. That's going to leave a mark...

2 posted on 01/11/2009 5:01:14 PM PST by NCjim ("Lies have to be covered up, truth can run around naked." - Johnny Cash)
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To: GOPGuide

As I recall, Britain’s “bitter racial history” involved ending the slave trade, whereas Arabs “bitter racial history” includes slavery up to this day.

But of course, this immigrant fifth columnist has been taught that only whites can have a “bitter racial history.”


3 posted on 01/11/2009 5:01:30 PM PST by GOPGuide
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To: GOPGuide

Maybe he was talking about Dumbo !


4 posted on 01/11/2009 5:02:17 PM PST by Renegade (You go tell my buddies)
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To: GOPGuide

I hope that before I die when some third worlder is insulted the one they are complaininng about says, “that is what you are!”


5 posted on 01/11/2009 5:04:59 PM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: GOPGuide
Paki!
Paki!
Paki!

If you don't like it, go the hell home.

6 posted on 01/11/2009 5:09:36 PM PST by Ghost of Philip Marlowe (Abortion has become little more than the New Left's execution of political prisoners.)
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To: GOPGuide

Fantasy cricket team

http://fantasy.cricket.com/team/paki-power


7 posted on 01/11/2009 5:11:47 PM PST by milestogo
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To: GOPGuide

The words that a society bans are largely accients of history.

“Nigger”, for example, is similar to a dozen other words in French, Italian, Spanish and Portugese all descended from the latin adjective “niger” - which meant the color black.

But because it was used for a race that was enslaved and lynched and denied basic rights, it has horrible associations.

I wonder if Paki is really in that category though. Surely the Brits had bad names for various Indian groups but Paki sounds pretty generic.


8 posted on 01/11/2009 5:14:21 PM PST by gondramB (Preach the Gospel at all times, and when necessary, use words.)
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To: GOPGuide

I thought Paki was only offensive if you called an Indian person a Paki. My bad.


9 posted on 01/11/2009 5:14:31 PM PST by toothfairy86
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To: GOPGuide

Paki...Brit. There. I just said both. They’ll probably be the same thing before long, anyway. ;-)


11 posted on 01/11/2009 5:17:55 PM PST by familyop (combat engineer (combat), National Guard, '89-'96, Duncan Hunter or no-vote, http://falconparty.com/)
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To: GOPGuide

Seems all sort of silly to this poster.

I’m ok with whatever.

But don’t even think about calling me an “Amero”.

Just saying.


12 posted on 01/11/2009 5:21:45 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (During any "d" administration: USA's msm, become indistinguishable from the ussr's pravda.)
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To: gondramB
In your reference to the word "n*gg*r" you stated:
But because it was used for a race that was enslaved and lynched and denied basic rights, it has horrible associations.

I would beg to differ, or should I say "add to", in why the word is demeaning. What is most demeaning is that the utterance of the word is the fastest way to say one is less than another, a lower class, something sub-human, something not worth bothering with. No other word has been so summed up as being so degrading as this one word. (And for that reason, I am always dumbfounded how easily it comes off the tongue of so many blacks when joking with each other ...).

I am wondering if this same use of the term 'paki' in UK is why it is determined to be racist speach over there.

14 posted on 01/11/2009 5:24:05 PM PST by AgThorn (Bush is my president, but he needs to protect our borders. FIRST, before any talk of "Amnesty.")
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To: GOPGuide
Without the burden of modern political correctness, the proper term for a person from Pakistan would be “Pak”. (And still is in India.) Just as the term for a person from Afghanistan is “Afghan”. The suffix “istan” means “place of” in Farsi. Thus Pakistan is “the place of the Paks”; and “Pakistani” would be something like: “a person from the place of the Paks”. That doesn't mean that “Paki” isn't derogatory (by usage) — although it could probably be considered a term of endearment for army buddies.
15 posted on 01/11/2009 5:24:49 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: GOPGuide

Once more, without the wierd characters.

Without the burden of modern political correctness, the proper term for a person from Pakistan would be “Pak”. (And still is in India.) Just as the term for a person from Afghanistan is “Afghan”. The suffix “istan” means “ the place of” in Farsi. Thus Pakistan is “the place of the Paks”; and “Pakistani” would be something like: “a person from the place of the Paks”. That doesn’t mean that “Paki” isn’t derogatory (by usage) — although it could probably be considered a term of endearment for army buddies.


17 posted on 01/11/2009 5:27:45 PM PST by USFRIENDINVICTORIA
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To: GOPGuide

So, Is calling someone from the USA = Yank racist?
Is calling someone from Australia = Aussie racist?
Is calling someone from Canada = Canuck racist?
Is calling someone from Sweden = Swede racist?
etc.


18 posted on 01/11/2009 5:28:19 PM PST by LegendHasIt (Freepmail me if you want to join the Precious Metals ping list.)
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To: GOPGuide
As I recall, Britain’s “bitter racial history” involved ending the slave trade, whereas Arabs “bitter racial history” includes slavery up to this day.

Excellent point. The history of British colonialism in Africa is simultaneously the history of the abolition of the African slave trade.

19 posted on 01/11/2009 5:28:45 PM PST by denydenydeny (If pigs could vote, the man with the slop bucket would be elected swineherd every time-OS Card)
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To: LegendHasIt

“So, Is calling someone from the USA = Yank racist?”

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Well actually.

Back in the day ... I do believe the Brits intended it to be so. Something about Yankee Doodle.

We just didn’t worry about whether it was, or not. :)

Made a song about it.


20 posted on 01/11/2009 5:32:20 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (During any "d" administration: USA's msm, become indistinguishable from the ussr's pravda.)
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To: USFRIENDINVICTORIA

Thank you!


21 posted on 01/11/2009 5:35:21 PM PST by GOPGuide
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To: GOPGuide

Uh oh! The Horowhenua District (New Zealand) has a Paki Road. So does Honolulu, Hawaii. Lawsuit time!


22 posted on 01/11/2009 5:36:09 PM PST by manapua
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To: GOPGuide

For what it’s worth, in Pakistan they don’t seem to get too upset by the word.

http://www.paki.com/


23 posted on 01/11/2009 5:36:40 PM PST by tlb
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To: GOPGuide
I am sorry, but this doesn't seem like a big deal. After all, the longest serving member of the U.S. Senate used the "n" word and he is still serving.

The UK has gone from running the world to being a collection of overly sensitive, college girls.

24 posted on 01/11/2009 5:38:24 PM PST by Volunteer
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To: GOPGuide

crazy canuck...

I am so offended by my own words...

Can’t believe half-witted Islamic Propagandists are winning over so many minds...insane.


25 posted on 01/11/2009 5:39:05 PM PST by kajingawd (Humans share 50.6% of their DNA with bananas...most my friends are bananas)
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To: GOPGuide

Paki is a good word.I use it all the time. It was taught to me by a Prince


26 posted on 01/11/2009 5:41:01 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The original point of America was not to be Europe)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Here's another quaint British word, associated with Sir Winston:

wog (wŏg)
n. Chiefly British Offensive Slang.

Used as a disparaging term for a person of color, especially a person from northern Africa or western or southern Asia.

It was used in a sentence by George Wigg, the Labour MP from Dudley in 1949, long before the EU:

The Honourable Gentleman and his friends think they are all 'wogs'. Indeed, the Right Honourable Member for Woodford [i.e. Winston Churchill] thinks that the 'wogs' begin at Calais.

The word is nice and short, but not specific enough. I think I'll stick with "sand nazi".

27 posted on 01/11/2009 5:41:17 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

Doesn’t Wog in fact stand for Worthy Oriental Gentleman, or something similar?

That’s an insult???

(slaps own forehead in disbelief)


28 posted on 01/11/2009 5:43:15 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network (During any "d" administration: USA's msm, become indistinguishable from the ussr's pravda.)
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To: Ghost of Philip Marlowe

You know, I’ve never liked the Green Bay Pakis. Nor the NC State Wolfpakis.

I used to love playing PakiMan in the bars. Remember that song “PakiMan Fever” (”it’s driving me crazy”)?

I think I was in Cub Scout Paki 369, but not sure.

Ok, need to sign off, I need to Paki for my trip tomorrow.


29 posted on 01/11/2009 5:51:59 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: GOPGuide

Remember, Your Highness; never, ever use the term “Paki”; the proper term is “Wogs”.


30 posted on 01/11/2009 5:53:53 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: Volunteer

Most of the comments on the BBC site would seem to indicate that most British people think this is being blown out of proportion. Of course, we all know if an establishment figure in the US was filmed calling a black man by the ‘n’ word, your media would not be interested in that kind of thing at all....


31 posted on 01/11/2009 6:00:25 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: GOPGuide
...But of course, this immigrant fifth columnist has been taught that only whites can have a “bitter racial history.”

Yes, perhaps a grandparent of the columnist could have taught him better.

"Paki." I'm just not getting it...

32 posted on 01/11/2009 6:01:41 PM PST by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters now.)
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To: GOPGuide

When these stooopid so-called “human rights” campaigners ban everyone from calling me a “Yank” or even worse a “Gringo” then I might care......

Make the “human rights” campaigners go everywhere in Latin America stamping out the word “Gringo” which really offends me!!!

.....on 2nd thought, no, it’s all rather stupid to get worked up about a simple abbreviation of a country or people’s name. It is NOT like the “N-word” — “Paki” is simply a shortened version of “Pakistani” — is anyone suggesting that no one should be referred to as “Pakistani”??

As noted, it must be time to ban the abbreviated word “Brit” and many others.......


33 posted on 01/11/2009 6:02:25 PM PST by Enchante (Bernie Madoff Learned His Ponzi-Investment Strategy from our Social Security System!!)
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To: GOPGuide
As I recall, Britain’s “bitter racial history” involved ending the slave trade, whereas Arabs “bitter racial history” includes slavery up to this day.

But of course, this immigrant fifth columnist has been taught that only whites can have a “bitter racial history.”

What you said...I agree with both points wholeheartedly.

34 posted on 01/11/2009 6:04:45 PM PST by TheThinker (Shame and guilt mongering is the Left's favorite tool of control.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

As I learned it long ago:

W.O.G.S. work shirts were issued to Middle Eastern/Indian (chiefly RR & roadway) public services projects laborers.

Worker/Works On Government Services.


35 posted on 01/11/2009 6:05:17 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: gondramB
"...the latin adjective “niger” - which meant the color black"

iirc, the latin word "negrum" means "black."

36 posted on 01/11/2009 6:07:00 PM PST by robomatik ((wine plug: renascentvineyards.com cabernet sauvignon, riesling, and merlot))
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To: GOPGuide
Reminds me of that Star Trek episode "Let that be your last battlefield" Where one race is black on the left the other, black on the right.

As an American, this has the same relevance.

Kirk and Spock are confused as to why they fight and this exchange takes place with Commissioner Bele:

BELE:"It is obvious to the most simpleminded that Lokai is of an inferior breed."
SPOCK: "The obvious visual evidence, Commissioner, is that he is of the same breed as yourself."
BELE:"Are you blind, Commander Spock? Well, look at me. Look at me!"
SPOCK: "You're black on one side and white on the other."
BELE: "I am black on the right side."
SPOCK: "I fail to see the significant difference."
BELE: "Lokai is white on the right side. All of his people are white on the right side."

37 posted on 01/11/2009 6:07:09 PM PST by Malsua
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
if an establishment figure in the US was filmed calling a black man by the ‘n’ word, your media would not be interested in that kind of thing at all....

Depends upon if it is Democrat Senator, of a Republican anything.

Also, this has been dredged up from three years ago, so is hardly "news"; more like "olds".

38 posted on 01/11/2009 6:07:48 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Islam: a Satanically Transmitted Disease, spread by unprotected intimate contact with the Koranus.)
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To: GOPGuide

Paki...someone from Pak-istan
Afghan...someone from Afghan-istan
Tajik...someone from Tajik-istan
and so on.

Bubba...someone from Alabamastan.


39 posted on 01/11/2009 6:10:37 PM PST by Southern Partisan
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To: Enchante

Mate, what the word ‘paki’ signifies in the US and what it signifies in Britain are two different things. Over here it is an offensive racial epithet. Over there it’s just shorthand for someone from pakistan, but the american perception is irrelevent when Prince Harry is the one using the word.

But, like I said, the British Army isn’t Pee Cee, nor should it be, and the hacks who exposed this aren’t striking a blow for racial harmony, they’re just a bunch of opportunistic c****s looking to shift newspapers...


40 posted on 01/11/2009 6:17:54 PM PST by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: GOPGuide
I just decided that "Yank" is an offensive word.

Who do I sue, and how much do I get?

41 posted on 01/11/2009 6:30:09 PM PST by Cowboy Bob (Barack Obama: The Bernie Madoff of Politics)
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To: GOPGuide

Heh, in MA we used to use the term Packie all the time— it meant Package store, AKA Liquor Store.


42 posted on 01/11/2009 6:30:14 PM PST by Cheesel (The Ark was built by amateurs, the Titanic by professionals.)
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To: sinsofsolarempirefan
I watched the video. I am sorry to be so dense, but I still do not see this as a big deal.

It's a soldier with his friends. The bit at the end had him as the butt of the jokes.

God save the UK, the PC police have taken over.

43 posted on 01/11/2009 6:44:02 PM PST by Volunteer
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To: AgThorn

I don’t know if Paki is racist in Great Britain, but it is a derogatory term in every country.


44 posted on 01/11/2009 6:47:38 PM PST by Crystal Cove
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To: LegendHasIt

Those are hardly relative comparisons. How about is it racist or disrepectful to call an Asian a gook? That would be a more apt comparison.


45 posted on 01/11/2009 6:50:22 PM PST by Crystal Cove
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To: gondramB

When I was in England in the 80s, one night while watching tv news the announcer brought up a story of an accident on the M4 between a delivery truck and an auto. The newsman read the story as follows: Two adults and two children in the auto were injured in the accident along with two dogs being transported in the delivery truck. Also injured in the accident was a Pakistani man that was driving the truck.

Go figure.


46 posted on 01/11/2009 6:51:12 PM PST by Always Independent
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To: denydenydeny

Didn’t the British use slave labor for the oil fields in Iran? Although the slaves weren’t African.


47 posted on 01/11/2009 6:53:50 PM PST by Crystal Cove
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To: LegendHasIt
Is calling someone from Canada=Canuck racist?

This raises an important point, that point being the insidious and cunning of the politically correct. I believe that it was - well anyway, a character in Alice In Wonderland, who said to this effect. "Words mean just what I choose them to mean".

During an American Presidential campaign, a candidate called certain residents of Maine, Canucks. The roof fell in on him. "Racist, racist" etc. Many Canadians had migrated there for a better way of life. In the meantime skiers who achieved success for Canada rejoiced in the name "the crazy Canucks". This was their style., hair raising stuff. The NHL team is called "The Vancouver Canucks".

Even the name "Gypsy" was banned in England as an insult. Then the true Romany got angry at their name being so banned. So today "Gypsy" is back in. This for the real proven Romany, about five thousand in number. "Travellers" are used for the new age nomads, not gypsies, but doing nothing and taking much. The usual suspects of course, pretend gypsies.

It is all in the political agenda- as you point out, by your post.

48 posted on 01/11/2009 7:04:19 PM PST by Peter Libra
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To: LegendHasIt
So, Is calling someone from the USA = Yank racist?

Is some parts of the south calling someone a Yank or Yankee might get you hurt.

49 posted on 01/11/2009 7:07:57 PM PST by PAR35
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To: Crystal Cove

Forget for a moment my Yanks and Canucks comparison.


Sweden = Swede
Australia = Aussie
Pakistan = Paki
It is a logical ‘shorthand’.
If you consider the one to be “racist”, then you must consider the others to be so too.

In line with my original posit: Gooks would be from “Gooklandia” or Gookistan or something like that.


50 posted on 01/11/2009 7:19:19 PM PST by LegendHasIt (Freepmail me if you want to join the Precious Metals ping list.)
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