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Toyota overtakes Dodge as third best-selling truck maker in U.S. (If you can't Dodge it...)
www.autoblog.com ^ | 1-12-2009 | Staff

Posted on 01/13/2009 10:41:37 AM PST by Red Badger

As we all know by now, auto sales are down, dropping by around 18% in 2008. Pick-ups actually fared worse, posting a decline of 26.5% over the same period. Still, the Ford F-150 and Chevy Silverado maintained their positions as the two best selling vehicles in the United States, and these two manufacturers managed to post incremental increases in total pick-up truck market share after all was said and done.

Those increases came directly from the competition, especially Dodge. The full-size Ram truck managed to see its piece of the pie dwindle by almost one full percentage point. Dodge's drop in overall market share allowed Toyota, for the first time ever, to grab the bronze medal behind Ford and General Motors. However, it's not particularly good news for the Japanese upstart, which owns just 8.52% of the market after seeing Tundra sales fall by over 30% in '08 and well short of its stated goal of 200,000 units per year. The last place trophy goes to Nissan, as its 34,000 sales represent a meager 2.11% of the market.

These market share figures include both full-sizers and their smaller brethren, and it was the Toyota Tacoma and the aging Ford Ranger that made the biggest upward moves among the mid-size pick-ups. Again, the biggest loser award goes to Dodge, which saw its Dakota sales fall nearly 65%, and its Mitsubishi Raider stablemate, which posted an insignificant 2,900 total sales.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: automakers; chevy; f150; manufacturing; ram; topten; toyota; tundra
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To: Spktyr

Can they produce vehicles without the “help” of the unions in right-to-work states like FL for example?


51 posted on 01/13/2009 11:38:10 AM PST by stefanbatory (Do you want a President or a King?)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

I don’t pull heavy loads, the biggest is a 700 Polaris sportsman (675 pounds) or a GS 30 walk behind mower.

right now I’m driving an H2.


52 posted on 01/13/2009 11:38:54 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: stefanbatory

Not as long as the UAW’s around. They have a separate contract (suicide pact?) that says that any new plant in the US or Canada *has* to be union.


53 posted on 01/13/2009 11:40:02 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: bronxboy

*Americans* won’t buy American cars, what makes you think other countries will?????


54 posted on 01/13/2009 11:41:02 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Can the Tacoma be flat-towed? Most important of all requirements.


55 posted on 01/13/2009 11:41:54 AM PST by mtnwmn (mtnwmn)
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To: bronxboy

Okay, so tell me where the money is going for the Dodge Journey?

Remember, no profits to send home to corporate HQ, so all the money goes to the suppliers and the assembly plant. In Toluca Mexico.


56 posted on 01/13/2009 11:43:42 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: mtnwmn

Like any 2WD pickup, yes, just disconnect the driveshaft (like you’d have to do on the Ranger.)


57 posted on 01/13/2009 11:44:17 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: AirForceMom

I bet you do like your truck much better. Don’t forget to put you food, etc. inside the cab.....my husband and I do volunteer work for the NPS and we have been Campground Hosts in many areas. Keeps the wild critters out of your stuff and should help protect you from big critters, like bears, that could eat you ;o)


58 posted on 01/13/2009 11:46:43 AM PST by mtnwmn (mtnwmn)
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To: Spktyr
Yes - Tacoma V6 4x4 4-door. Great in the 2 feet of snow at my house!


59 posted on 01/13/2009 11:47:00 AM PST by balk (thefightnetwork.com)
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To: Spktyr

RAM 1500’s are built in MI and MO as far as I know.

http://www.acppubs.com/article/CA6526576.html


60 posted on 01/13/2009 11:49:19 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: Spktyr

A Marine friend put 280,000 miles on his little blue Toyota SR5 2WD pickup. He’d still be driving it if it wasn’t for his wife’s insistence on an automatic.


61 posted on 01/13/2009 11:49:55 AM PST by 12Gauge687 (Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice)
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To: balk

Yeah, the most your truck is “supposed” to get is 16/20. If you have a stick, it’s 15/18.

Not surprised that it gets better than predicted mileage, though. My 82 certainly did.


62 posted on 01/13/2009 11:51:08 AM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Badeye

I prefer the Toyota over the F-150, because I want to buy American.

(Not joking.)


63 posted on 01/13/2009 11:54:32 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: bronxboy

Most of the stockholders of Toyota are North American.


64 posted on 01/13/2009 11:56:13 AM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: Spktyr

Yes, trading after only 3 years. 2006 still looks new and no problems. Doesn’t hurt to change color and going with standard this time. It was bought with cash in 2006 and will trade with cash. We’re value shoppers and like getting a good deal. Everyone has their “wants” or “must haves” when choosing a vehicle. This fits our wants...and that’s good enough for us.


65 posted on 01/13/2009 11:58:14 AM PST by Danette ("If we ever forget that we're one nation under God, then we will be a nation gone under.")
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To: bronxboy
A transplant is not an American company no matter what.

The laws of the market cannot be repealed. No-one is going to spend $1000s more for an inferior product, just to enrich entrenched Union bosses.

66 posted on 01/13/2009 11:58:24 AM PST by agere_contra (So ... where's the birth certificate?)
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To: agere_contra

No problem...when we slap Japan with a tariff for violating trade law...this should make up for the $1000.00. You do understand when you buy from Toyota, you buy from a company that has shafted American business and your country with their ‘trade barriers’...one good thing in this downturn is that Toyota’s little game is going to be much more difficult...sell at a loss in the states make up the lost revenue in Japan-where there is no competition thanks to their dodgy game of we export, but don’t import.. because the Japanese can’t afford to buy cars and their country is getting poorer by the minute.


67 posted on 01/13/2009 12:12:44 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: mtnwmn

From what I know about vehicles, no vehicle with and automatic transmission can be flat towed for more than a limited distance. At least the manufacturers recommend against it.


68 posted on 01/13/2009 12:12:49 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Obama is living proof that stupid people should not be allowed to vote.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Ha, ha...they better sell quick. Toyota is in trouble. Also, profit is different than stocks...Americans buy stocks. Profits are generated by selling cars...the money goes home to Japan.


69 posted on 01/13/2009 12:13:53 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: mrmargaritaville

Chrysler’s truck division will probably be one that survives. I don’t know about the rest of the stable.


70 posted on 01/13/2009 12:14:45 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Obama is living proof that stupid people should not be allowed to vote.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

You can if the vehicle in question is RWD and you disconnect the driveshaft.


71 posted on 01/13/2009 12:15:16 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: mtnwmn
I'm all about critter watching while camping. One time I was about 30 feet from a 405lb. black bear. He was magnificent. He had been darted a few times and moved because stupid people insisted on feeding him, that's how we knew his weight.
The idiot that was feeding him had his stuff trashed. Was complaining to the ranger about the damage.....unreal. Darwin award nominee.
72 posted on 01/13/2009 12:18:31 PM PST by AirForceMom
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To: Spktyr

It goes to America...specifically Chrysler who has headquarters in Detroit Michigan...they also pay more taxes than Toyota. My wife worked for a Belgium company in Atlanta-logistics. Every week, the profits made in this country were sent to Belgium...enough was kept to make payroll, fund operating expenses and avoid banking fees-that’s about it. In the plant, the poor dumb Americans received low wages and illegals received less...What to bet how many illegals vs how many Americans worked there in terms of percentage?


73 posted on 01/13/2009 12:18:41 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: bronxboy

Yes, but Chrysler isn’t *making* a profit. So, no profits go to Michigan, and all the money goes to pay costs... in Mexico.


74 posted on 01/13/2009 12:20:43 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

Yes, but that is a PITA. Who wants to crawl under the vehicle in the cold or the rain to install or remove a driveshaft?


75 posted on 01/13/2009 12:22:46 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Obama is living proof that stupid people should not be allowed to vote.)
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To: Spktyr

The best selling car in China is a Buick...GM is doing great overseas-especially in Europe. These people don’t have a prejudice against American cars like you real Americans here...kind of pathetic in a sad, twisted way. I am an American and damn it- I love all foreign goods and think America produces crap...Let raise the flag and sing the Star Spangled Banner and maybe say the Pledge of Allegiance while we are at it- oh yeah, we must not forget our freedom fries. I hate all things American, but I consider myself a proud American (sarcasm).


76 posted on 01/13/2009 12:24:25 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: bronxboy

That made no sense.


77 posted on 01/13/2009 12:25:50 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: Spktyr

Toyota is not making a profit either...we had a financial meltdown...in case you forgot. Before some poster tells me how much GM lost last year....those figures include restructuring costs which is progressing well despite the naysayers.


78 posted on 01/13/2009 12:27:02 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: MeanWestTexan

It made plenty of sense...people who buy foreign cars are screwing their country...in the true sense of the word. The ‘I love all things foreign mentality’ will destroy this country-it’s unAmerican and dangerous. We need auto manufacturing in this country...we need manufacturing in general. The so called service economy failed-in case you didn’t notice. We will get national health care this year thanks to the loss of good paying jobs...this country will become a socialistic hell hole if this continues.


79 posted on 01/13/2009 12:30:40 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Interestingly, Saturns (even with automatic transmissions) are designed to be flat-towed.

This is why they are such a big hit with the RV crowd.


80 posted on 01/13/2009 12:30:45 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: Spktyr; All

Perhaps, I am a little harsh here, but I am sick of hearing how American cars are crap and foreign cars are so great. I have seen the quality reports on Tundra...they should have stuck to small cars. Let’s just say, I hope you all have good warranties.


81 posted on 01/13/2009 12:33:53 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: MeanWestTexan

didn’t think you were joking. bottom line is the toyota’s seem to run forever.


82 posted on 01/13/2009 12:34:59 PM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: bronxboy
Also, profit is different than stocks...Americans buy stocks. Profits are generated by selling cars...the money goes home to Japan.

If an American owns shares in a company that makes a profit, then the value of his shares is going to increase. It doesn't matter whether that company's headquarters are in Tokya, Munich or Detroit.

83 posted on 01/13/2009 12:35:18 PM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: bronxboy

The path to socialist hellholism goes through bailouts, we’re engaging in socialism to save your company. GM screwed themselves. What’s unAmerican is thinking we should buy crappy products just because the company that makes it (not in America) is supposedly American. Buy quality, buy what fits your needs, don’t worry about who makes it. I buy American when it’s the best product for me, I buy not American when it’s the best product for me.


84 posted on 01/13/2009 12:36:56 PM PST by dilvish
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To: Badeye

After owning several Ford full size commercial grade products, you couldn’t pay me enough money to take any other brand in that segment.

F & E Series are without equal in the industry, period.


85 posted on 01/13/2009 12:38:26 PM PST by HamiltonJay
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To: bronxboy

UAW workers aren’t Americans, as far as I am concerned.

They vote for Obama. They can go to hell.


86 posted on 01/13/2009 12:43:21 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: HamiltonJay

My neighbor, and very good friend says the same about his F150.

I don’t need a ‘work truck’ however, so thats not a big deal to me. Light towing, as noted above, is about it.

I’m more concerned about head/leg room, mpg, and reliability.


87 posted on 01/13/2009 12:43:44 PM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I’d like to see another mfg buy the truck division-even Kia or Hyndai, but anyone who buys a business with UAW plants or contracts is putting a gun to their head. Too bad. Maybe they can buy the business and move production to the south (well for at least as long as the south is\are still “right to work states”).


88 posted on 01/13/2009 12:54:07 PM PST by mrmargaritaville
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To: Red Badger

I sold the first one (a ‘97) with 168K+ miles on it! Still running and pulling with all four tires!

I bought an ‘01 and have 76K miles on it, and hope to drive it another 100K or so!


89 posted on 01/13/2009 1:10:36 PM PST by trillabodilla (Jesus Saves)
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To: bronxboy

The best selling car in China is a Buick (made in China) that they don’t sell here in the US.

Read that again. That’s not a US-made Buick. They don’t even offer that model here in the US.

Not even the Chinese want to buy UAW-made products.

I don’t hate things made in America. Its just that American unions make shoddy, second-rate goods that I have to pay first rate prices for the privilege of being allowed to buy, whereupon my money goes to elect Obama. No thanks.


90 posted on 01/13/2009 1:11:38 PM PST by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: AirForceMom

There are many Darwin awards to be had when dealing with the public. I particularly like the folks that chase the bears to get their pictures....sometimes with their kids! And the sow with cubs no less!


91 posted on 01/13/2009 1:29:30 PM PST by mtnwmn (mtnwmn)
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To: MeanWestTexan
I prefer the Toyota over the F-150, because I want to buy American.

(Not joking.)

Not joking, just wrong.

My F-150 was built in Kansas City.

92 posted on 01/13/2009 2:03:10 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

Ford F-150s are primary assembled in Cuautitlan, Mexico.


93 posted on 01/13/2009 2:32:49 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: MeanWestTexan
Ford F-150s are primary assembled in Cuautitlan, Mexico.

I don't have the unit totals but it looks like they are assembled in the following factories:

Cuautitlan (Mexico)
Claycomo, Missouri (Kansas City)
Norfolk, Virginia
Oakville, Ontario (Canada)
Valencia (Venuzeula)

Mine was built at Claycomo (Kansas City)

94 posted on 01/13/2009 2:46:47 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

I suspect that is the order of units produced.

The ones in South America make a “F-200” or somesuch that is actually the F-150 of 10 years ago.

(I was a semi-major stockholder of Ford some years ago, and still get all their prospectus (prospecti?)).


95 posted on 01/13/2009 2:52:46 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: MeanWestTexan
I suspect that is the order of units produced.

I suspect it is alphabetical...

96 posted on 01/13/2009 2:59:39 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: Red Badger
My last Dodge truck was a total piece of junk. You get what you pay for, and you're not getting much when you buy a Dodge. Yeah, it's got the Cummins, but a chain is only as strong as its weakest link, and in this case the Dodge truck is the weak link. I also have no love for Fords, having had three pieces of junk from them. If GM survives, I'll get a diesel half ton Sierra in 2015. If not, I'll buy a half ton diesel Tundra in 2015. That's when my 2001 Sierra will be 14 years old, and due for replacement.
97 posted on 01/13/2009 3:05:53 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Democrats spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

My initial research shows that the new F-150 is made in Dearborn and Kansas City, NOT Mexico.


98 posted on 01/13/2009 3:09:55 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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To: BlueMondaySkipper

“I suspect it is alphabetical.”

Only if “u” comes before “l” in your universe.

Cuautitlan (Mexico)
Claycomo


99 posted on 01/13/2009 3:10:00 PM PST by MeanWestTexan (Beware Obama's Reichstag fire.)
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To: MeanWestTexan

Umm, Claycomo is referred to as the Kansas City plant


100 posted on 01/13/2009 3:11:44 PM PST by BlueMondaySkipper (Involuntarily subsidizing the parasite class since 1981)
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