Official: Guantanamo Detainee Was Tortured

Torture is terrible thing to do - worse in many cases than killing them.

But many of us who generally think torture should be illegal admit we could rarely support torture in the ticking time bomb scenario.

And someone who was supposed to be on a 9/11 terror plane might well have had critical time sensitive information to save lives.

But we need some check to keep the government from torturing more broadly. Absent immediately saving another life, torture is cruel as defined by the Constitution.

Perhaps we could have torture warrants and the government should have to make its case to torture. I simply don't trust the government enough to decide on torture without checks and balance that the public can observe.

Your position is logical, Christian and one with which I and any true intelligent conservative would agree.

Surely you are prepared to get flamed by saying it here.

Remember the Professional Wrestling wing of the GOP is what is destroying it.

> Torture is terrible thing to do - worse in many cases than killing them.

War is a terrible thing to do. Driving aeroplanes into the side of the World Trade Center is a terrible thing to do. Slamming an aeroplane into the Pentagon is a terrible thing to do. Driving an aeroplane into a Pennsylvania field is a terrible thing to do. Sawing off people’s heads with dull knives on TV is a terrible thing to do. Blowing up trains during rush hour is a terrible thing to do...

So where does it stop, and where does it begin? At what point is the Enemy going to respect human rights at least as much as we do?

This particular enemy doesn’t, and won’t.

In that context, then, waterboarding the Enemy is a mild, measured and polite response that is well within the confines of moral justifiability.

How exactly did they torture this person?

“The techniques they used were all authorized, but the manner in which they applied them was overly aggressive and too persistent. . . . You think of torture, you think of some horrendous physical act done to an individual,” she told the Post. “This was not any one particular act; this was just a combination of things that had a medical impact on him, that hurt his health. It was abusive and uncalled for.”

Interrogation techniques used on Qahtani included sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, nudity and prolonged exposure to cold. He was hospitalized twice.

I simply do not care what happens to these vicious, horrible people. Let me see if I can muster a feeling...nope, nothing. If they can dish it out, then surely they can take it. Maybe Allah will give them a few extra virgins for their trouble.

The person is still alive which translates to he was not ‘tortured’ enough.

Great points all.

This is the first actual case of torture I've seen, and it will be interesting to see how the media treat this, as we've been told till now about "torture" when what was actually happening was interrogation.

OFF TOPIC.

This is a very tiny sampler of what I have looked at recently ON THE INTERNET:

THE JAWA REPORT: "AN AMERICAN JIHADI IN SOMALIA AND HIS WASHINGTON FRIENDS IN AL QAEDA" (SNIPPET: "But perhaps the most important piece of the story is an admission that Shumpert turned to the Salafi strand of Islam after he met with some Muslims in Washington who had recently returned from fighting the jihad in Chechnya..." SNIPPET: "So, who are Ruben Shumpert's friends who had been to Chechnya and are they still on the loose in Washington?") (January 13, 2009) (Read More...)

COUNTERTERRORISM BLOG.org: "NEFA FOUNDATION: SOMALI MILITANTS ISSUE BIOGRAPHY OF AMERICAN JIHADIST" by Evan Kohlmann (January 13, 2009) (Read More...)

COUNTERTERRORISM BLOG.org: "FEDS CITE RACIST CHATTER FOR 'HIGHER STATE OF ALERT' IN INAUGURATION" by James Gordon Meek (SNIPPET: ""Everybody in law enforcement dealing with that particular (white supremacist) 'clientele' is on a higher state of alert," a senior agent at the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives told The News. The ATF has expertise infiltrating white supremacist groups. A classified threat assessment for the Inauguration by the FBI and Homeland Security Department citing agitated hate groups was sent to police agencies this week. Counterterrorism officials have also picked up chatter from Islamic militants, but the agitated domestic hate groups are "the big concern," said another FBI official") (January 13, 2009) (Read More...)

INVESTIGATIVE PROJECT.org - IPT News: "U.S.-BASED IMAM URGES MUSLIMS TO JOIN THE GAZA BATTLEFIELD" (January 12, 2009) (Read More...)

THE TIMES OF INDIA: "In US, LeT cheif's kin raised funds for jihad" -Indrani Bagchi, TNN (January 12, 2009, 0123 hrs IST) (Read More...)

JIHAD WATCH.org (PEOPLE.co.uk): "JIHADISTS THREATEN TO BEHEAD MADONNA OVER GAZA" (January 11, 2009) (Read More...)

JIHAD WATCH.org: "AFGHAN JIHADIST TO OBAMA: "You should also cause one more addition to the U.S. history by becoming the first president to accept the Truth and by adopting the true faith of Islam"" (January 10, 2009) (Read More...)

TOORABORA.com: "By the name of Allah the most gracious and most merciful An Open Letter from the Peaks of Tora Bora to the White House The president of United States Barak Husain Obama!" (December 27, 2008)

LION HEART UK - blog: "GLEN JENVEY & BRITISH REPORTERS THREATENED WITH BEHEADING" (January 9, 2009) (Read More...)

Travel.State.Gov - TRAVEL ALERT: "INDIA" (January 9, 2009) (Read More...)

THE MEMRI BLOG.org ("Source: Alarabiya.net, January 9, 2009"): "MOROCCAN CLERICS ENCOURAGING 'ELECTRONIC JIHAD'" (Posted January 9, 2009) (Read More...)

Travel.State.Gov - TRAVEL WARNING: "BURUNDI" (January 8, 2009) (Read More...)

LONG WAR JOURNAL.org - blog (THE WEEKLY STANDARD): "TERRORIST PENPALS" by Thomas Joscelyn (January 9, 2009) (Read More...)

FRONTPAGE MAGAZINE.com (NEW YORK POST): "INTELLIGENCE FAILURE" by Ralph Peters (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "WOULD you ask your accountant to perform brain surgery on your child? That's the closest analogy I can find to the choice of Democratic Party hack Leon Panetta to head the CIA.") (January 8, 2009) (Read More...)

HOT AIR.com - blog: "WHAT THE PANETTA APPOINTMENT MEANS" by Ed Morrissey (January 6, 2009, 10:57 am) (Read More...)

YNET NEWS.com (REUTERS): "BUSH AIDE: MUMBAI-LIKE ATTACK COULD HAPPEN IN U.S." (SNIPPET: "Ken Wainstein told a Washington think tank that the Mumbai attacks in November showed the effectiveness of a low-technology coordinated assault on an open city.") (Published January 8, 2009, 04:01) (Read More...)

WHITEHOUSE.gov - News Release: "REMARKS BY NATIONAL SECURITY ADVISOR STEPHEN HADLEY at the Center for Strategic and International Studies CSIS Washington, D.C." (SNIPPET: "America is a nation at war. And in the post-9/11 world, we face complex challenges that will not pause for a change in administrations.") (January 7, 2009) (Read More...)

Travel.State.Gov - U.S. DEPARTMENT OF STATE Bureau of Consular Affairs - TRAVEL ALERT: "ISRAEL, THE WEST BANK AND GAZA" (January 6, 2009) (Read More...)

JIHAD WATCH.org (AP): "AL-SADR: "I call upon the honest Iraqi resistance to carry out revenge operations against the great accomplice of the Zionist enemy"" (January 7, 2009) (Read More...)

THE MEMRI BLOG.org: "Al-Quds Al-Arabi': Al-Qaradhawi Calls For Jan. 9 "Day of Rage and Support"; Yemeni Preacher Calls On Arab Regimes to Let Volunteers Wage Jihad Against Israel" (Posted January 7, 2009)

COUNTERTERRORISM BLOG.org: "NEFA FOUNDATION: Zawahiri Issues Orders to "Strike Everywhere" in Revenge for Gaza" by Evan Kohlmann (January 9, 2009) (Read More...)

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FOX NEWS.com (AP): Cairo, Egypt - "AL QAEDA No. 2 BLAMES OBAMA, EGYPT'S PRESIDENT FOR GAZA" (January 6, 2009) (Read More...)

REWARDS FOR JUSTICE.net - Seeking Information Against International Terrorism: "WANTED AYMAN AL-ZAWAHIRI Up to $25 Million Reward"

JIHAD WATCH.org (IRNA, January 5, 2009): "IRAN BOASTS: 70,000 STUDENTS HAVE SIGNED UP TO KILL THEMSELVES IN MASS-MURDER OPERATIONS" (January 6, 2009) (Read More...)

THE MEMRI BLOG.org ("Source: Fars (Iran), January 1, 2009"): "IRANIAN MARTYRDOM MOVEMENT MARCHES IN TEHRAN" (Posted January 1, 2009) (Read More...)

JIHAD WATCH.org (AP): "IRAN: 'Volunteer student suicide groups ... are determined to go to Gaza"" (December 31, 2008) (Read More...)

MEMRI.org - Special Dispatch - No. 2169: "Khamenei Decrees: Israel is Kafer-e-Harbi; Iranian Martyrdom Seekers Await Khameini's Orders; Iranian Student Organizations Threaten to Take Over Egyptian, Jordanian Diplomatic Representations" (December 31, 2008) (Read More...)

THE AGE.com.au: "CIA TRACKING 4000 UK TERROR SUSPECTS" by Tim Shipman, Washington (SNIPPET: "THE CIA has begun an unprecedented intelligence-gathering operation in Britain to help MI5 monitor 4000 terrorist suspects. More than four out of 10 CIA operations to prevent attacks on US soil are now conducted against targets in Britain.") (January 5, 2009) (Read More...)

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TELEGRAPH.co.uk: "TERRORISTS COULD USE 'INSECT-BASED' BIOLOGICAL WEAPON" by John Adams (SNIPPET: "Terrorists would find it "relatively easy" to launch a devastating attack using swarms of insects to spread a deadly disease, an academic has warned.") (Last updated January 5, 2009, 2:43 pm GMT) (Read More...)

JIHAD WATCH.org (TIME ONLINE.co.uk): "HAMAS: We'll kill Jewish children anywhere" (January 5, 2009) (Read More...)

YNET NEWS.com (AP): "HAMAS THREATENS ATTACKS ON ISRAELI CIVILIANS" (Published January 5, 2009, 12:46) (Read More...)

YNET NEWS.com: "POLICE COMMISSIONER ORDERS HIGH ALERT IN ALL OF ISRAEL" (Published January 4, 2009, 12:11) (Read More...)

THE MEMRI BLOG.org ("Source: Fars, Iran, January 4, 2009"): "ONE MILLION DOLLAR REWARD FOR THE HEAD OF EGYPTIAN PRESIDENT MUBARAK" (Posted January 4, 2009) (Read More...)

NEWSWEEK.com: "ISRAEL'S WORST FEARS It's U.S. ambassador says the big threat is that Iran has almost enough fuel for its first nuclear weapon" (Published January 3, 2009; Magazine Issue dated January 12, 2009) (Read More...)

TRUTHUSA.com: A Look at Iran (Read More...)

THE JAWA REPORT - blog: "U.S. HOSTED HAMAS CHILDREN'S WEBSITE: "I have to kill the Israeli occupation and break the siege of Gaza"" (Posted January 3, 2009, 6:26 PM) (Read More...)

THE MEMRI BLOG.org ("Source: ikhwanonline.com, Al-Quds Al-Arabi, London, January 2, 2009"): "MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD GENERAL GUIDE: THE TIME HAS COME FOR JIHAD TO THE MAXIMUM DEGREE" (Posted January 2, 2009) (Read More...)

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ISRAEL NATIONAL NEWS.com: "HAMAS, AL-QAEDA THREATEN JEWISH TARGETS ABROAD" by Nissan Ratzlav-Katz (Published January 2, 2009, 12:51 pm) (Read More...)

YNET NEWS.com: "GLOBAL TERROR ATTACKS FEARED DUE TO GAZA OP" by Daniel Edelson (Published January 2, 2009, 02:21) (Read More...)

META SECURITY.net - Security of Virtual Worlds: "GLOBALLY NETWORKED ANARCHISM (#GRIOT)" by Roderick Jones (December 31, 2008) (Read More...)

PAJAMAS MEDIA.com - blog: "TOP AMERICAN ISLAMIC CLERIC THREATENS U.S. ON EGYPTIAN TV Living in America while inciting violence against America" by Patrick Poole (January 7, 2009) (Read More...)

MEMRI.org - Special Dispatch - No. 2165: "As Gaza Fighting Continues, Egyptian Clerics Intensify Antisemitic Statements; Columbus, Ohio Muslim Scholar/Leader Dr. Salah Sultan: Muhammad Said That Judgment Day Will Not Come Until Muslims Fight the Jews and Kill Them; America Will Suffer Destruction" (December 30, 2008) (Read More...)

WASHINGTON TIMES.com: "SOMALIS IN U.S. DRAW FBI ATTENTION War at home seen as lure" by Sara A. Carter (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Many members of the Somali community are concerned over disappearances, he said.") (December 29, 2008) (Read More...)

THREATS WATCH.org - blog: "THE 'Z' IS NOT FOR ZORRO" by Jay Fraser (December 30, 2008) (Read More...)

JIHAD WATCH.org (EL PASO TIMES, December 28, 2008): "SUSPECTED AL-QAEDA OPERATIVE AT EL PASO DETENTION FACILITY AWAITING DEPORTATION AFTER PRISON TERM" (December 29, 2008) (Read More...)

FreeRepublic.com - Discussion Forum (INVESTIGATIVE PROJECT.org - IPT News, January 12, 2009): "U.S.-BASED IMAM URGES MUSLIMS TO JOIN THE GAZA BATTLEFIELD" (January 13, 2009) (Read More...) (NOTE: UPDATES ONGOING.)

FreeRepublic.com - Discussion Forum (IsraelMFA) - VIDEO: "HAMAS MISSILES FOR ISRAELI FOOD" (January 12, 2009)

FreeRepublic.com - Discussion Forum (INTERNET-HAGANAH.com): "HAMAS AND THEIR SYSTEMATIC VIOLATION OF INTERNATIONAL LAWS (NOT TO MENTION HUMAN DECENCY)" (January 11, 2009) (Read More...)

FreeRepublic.com - Discussion Forum (INTERNET-HAGANAH.com): "IT'S NOT SO MUCH THAT THE HAMAS OFFICER WAS KILLED... it's that he was killed operating a mortar that his subordinates were not firing, because they refused to come out of hiding." (January 10, 2009) (Read More...)

FreeRepublic.com - Discussion Forum (IDF SPOKESPERSON.com): "CAPTURED HAMAS INTELLIGENCE, 9 Jan 2009, 16:26 IST" (January 9, 2009) (Read More...)

FreeRepublic.com - Discussion Forum (COUNTERTERRORISM BLOG.org): "THE ROLE OF THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD WITH HAMAS AND IRAN" by Douglas Farah (January 8, 2009)

MEMRI TV.org - Video: "HAMAS In Their Own Words" (Watch Here.)

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FreeRepublic.com - Discussion Forum (INTERNET-HAGANAH.com): "THE BRIEF LIFE AND EXQUISITE MARTYRDOM OF A HAMAS MORTAR CREW" (January 7, 2009) (Read More...)

FreeRepublic.com - Discussion Forum (MFA.gov.il - ISRAEL MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS): "BEHIND THE HEADLINES: THE TRAGEDY AT THE SCHOOL IN JEBALIYA" (January 6, 2009) (Read More...)

FreeRepublic.com - Discussion Forum (ISRAEL NATIONAL NEWS.com): "INTELLIGENCE CHIEF: HIZBULLAH MAY ATTACK" (January 5, 2009) (Read More...)

FreeRepublc.com - Discussion Forum (YNET NEWS.com): "U.S. VP: ROCKET FIRE ON ISRAEL MUST STOP" by Yitzhak Benhorin, Washington (January 4, 2009, 18:17) (Read More...)

FreeRepublic.com - Discussion Forum (IDF SPOKESPERSON.com via INTERNET-HAGANAH.com): "SUMMARY OF OVERNIGHT EVENTS, 03 JANUARY 2009" (January 3, 2009) (Read More...)

FreeRepublic.com - Discussion Forum (ISRAEL NATIONAL NEWS.com/Various): "'AND ON THE SEVENTH DAY...' MORE ROCKET RAIN ON SOUTHERN ISRAEL" by Hana Levi Julian (January 2, 2009) (Read More...)

FreeRepublic.com - Discussion Forum (INTERNET-HAGANAH.com/Various): "OPERATION CAST LEAD The IDF's Fight Against Terror in Gaza" (January 1, 2009) (Read More...)

ISRAEL NATIONAL NEWS.com: "SECURITY FORCES ON ALERT" (SNIPPET: "The defense establishment increased its level of alert on Thursday evening after receiving more than 60 warnings of planned attacks.") (Published January 2, 2009, 10:04 pm) (Read More...)

MEMRI.org - Special Dispatch - No. 2167 (AL-AQSA TV, December 30, 2008 via MEMRITV.org): "HAMAS WOMEN VOW TO BECOME 'MARTYRDOM-SEEKERS' AND BLOW THEMSELVES UP AMONG 'THE APES AND PIGS'" (December 31, 2008) (Read More...)

FreeRepublic.com (YNET NEWS.com, December 31, 2008, 23:56): "BARAK: HAMAS SUSTAINED SERIOUS BLOW" (December 31, 2008)

FreeRepublic.com (THE AUSTRALIAN via JIHAD WATCH.org): "ISRAEL CALLS GAZANS TO WARN THEM TO FLEE FOR SAFETY" (December 30, 2008) (Read More...)

THE MEMRI BLOG.org ("Source: IRNA, Iran, December 30, 2008"): "AHMADINEJAD: CAPITALISM, ZIONISM MUST FACE THEIR ANNIHILATION" (December 30, 2008) (Read More...)

THE MEMRI BLOG.org: "AHMADINEJAD, MASH'AL: PALESTINIAN RESISTANCE BRINGS VICTORY" (Posted December 30, 2008) (Read More...)

THE MEMRI BLOG.org - New On MEMRI TV: "IRANIAN TODDLERS ARE TAUGHT ABOUT MARTYRDOM AND THE HATRED OF ZIONISTS AGAINST THE BACKDROP OF THE GAZA FIGHTING" (Posted December 30, 2008) (Read More...)

FreeRepublic.com (INTERNET-HAGANAH.com): "OPERATION CAST LEAD The IDF's Fight Against Terror In Gaza" (December 29, 2008) (Read More...)

JIHAD WATCH.org (REUTERS): "IRAN'S 'COMBATANT CLERGY SOCIETY' SIGNING UP VOLUNTEERS TO FIGHT JIHAD AGAINST ISRAEL" (December 29, 2008) (Read More...)

THE MEMRI BLOG.org ("Sources: Fars, Kayhan, Sobh-e Sadeq (Iran), December 29, 2008"): "IRANIAN REACTIONS TO GAZA EVENTS" (Posted December 29, 2008) (Read More...)

YNET NEWS.com (REUTERS): "AFGHAN TALIBAN URGE MUSLIMS TO RISE UP OVER GAZA RAIDS" (Published December 29, 2008, 14:11) (Read More...)

FreeRepublic.com (YNET NEWS.com): "RED ALERT SOUNDED IN ASHKELON" (December 29, 2008, 11:54) (Read More...)

FreeRepublic.com - Discussion Forum (Israel.INTERNET-HAGANAH.COM): "OPERATION CAST LEAD The IDF's Fight Against Terror in Gaza" (December 28, 2008)

JPOST.com (AP): "SAUDI CLERIC CALLS FOR TARGETING ISRAELIS ALL OVER THE WORLD" (SNIPPET: "A Saudi Web site reported on Sunday that a popular cleric issued a fatwa urging Muslims to target Israeli interests "everywhere," to avenge the attacks on the Gaza strip. The site, Rasid, posts news about Saudi Arabia's Shiite community and said that Sheik Awadh al-Garni issued a religious edict..." (December 28, 2008, 23:07) (Read More...)

THE MEMRI BLOG.org ("Source: www.palestine-info.info/ar, December 28, 2008"): "SAUDI CLERIC 'AWADH AL-QARNI HAS ISSUED A FATWA PERMITTING TO TARGET ISRAELI INTERESTS THROUGHOUT THE WORLD IN RETALIATION FOR THE GAZA ATTACK.") (Posted December 28, 2008) (Read More...)

JIHAD WATCH.org (YNET NEWS.com): "IRANIAN TOP DOG: "'All the Islamic world's pious people' must fight Israel" (December 28, 2008) (Read More...)

JIHAD WATCH.org (NAHARNET): "HIZBALLAH TOP DOG PREDICTS DIVINE VICTORY FOR HAMAS" (December 28, 2008) (Read More...)

FreeRepublic.com - Discussion Forum (YNET NEWS): "ROCKETS LAND EAST OF ASHDOD" (December 28, 2008) (Read More...)

FreeRepublic.com - Discussion Forum (YNET NEWS.com): "REPORT: ISRAELI AIR FORCE ATTACKS GAZA CITY" (December 27, 2008) (Read More)

Jerusalem.USCONSULATE.gov: "WARDEN MESSAGE - U.S. GOVERNMENT EMPLOYEE TRAVEL RESTRICTIONS DUE TO IDF MILITARY OPERATIONS IN GAZA" (December 27, 2008) (Read More...)

Travel.State.Gov - TRAVEL WARNING: "ISRAEL, THE WEST BANK AND GAZA" (September 26, 2008) (Read More...)

YNET NEWS.com (AP): "INTEL REPORT: HIZBULLAH MAY STRIKE IN US" (SNIPPET: "Homeland Security Threat Assessment for the years 2008-2013 says Hizbullah may foment terror attack in US if there is some kind of 'triggering' event. 'The threat of terrorism and the threat of extremist ideologies have not abated," Chertoff says.") (Published December 25, 2008, 23:52) (Read More...)

JIHAD WATCH.org (TELEGRAPH.co.uk): "U.K.: MOSQUE 'COMMITTED TO PEACE, DIVERSITY AND INTERFAITH DIALOGUE' HOSTS CONFERENCE FEATURING 'SPIRITUAL ADVISOR' TO 9/11 JIHADISTS" (SNIPPET: "The publicity material for the all-day event appears to be a clear reference to the attacks on New York, and features meteors raining down on Manhattan, setting fire to the city and shattering the Statue of Liberty.") (December 27, 2008) (Read More...)

THREATS WATCH.org - blog: "MEETING A SECURITY MILESTONE - SO?" by Jay Fraser (SNIPPET: "Our complacency could well be our undoing, despite contrary arguments.") (December 26, 2008, 12:34 pm) (Read More...)

FOX NEWS.com (AP): Washington - "REPORT: TERROR THREATS TO TARGET ECONOMIC LOSSES" (December 25, 2008) (Read More...)

IBD EDITORIALS.com: "A TERROR WARNING" (SNIPPET: "But what about President-elect Barack Obama? He faces a different problem. Many of those who voted for him either dismiss the terrorist threat, or believe none exists. Still worse, some think we should placate our enemies, not vanquish them.") (Posted December 26, 2008, 4:20 pm PT) (Read More...)

INVESTIGATIVE PROJECT.org: "TERRORISM CHALLENGES FACING THE OBAMA ADMINISTRATION" (December 24, 2008) (Read More...)

FRONTPAGE MAGAZINE.com: "ISRAEL AND THE IRANIAN NUCLEAR THREAT" by Louis Rene Beres and Isaac Ben-Israel (December 24, 2008) (Read More...)

DEFENSElink.mil (AMERICAN FORCES PRESS SERVICE): Washington - "CHENEY CALLS ABSENCE OF POST-9/11 ATTACKS 'REMARKABLE ACHIEVEMENT'" (SNIPPET: ""The threat's still out there, and still [is] very real," Cheney said.") (December 22, 2008) (Read More...)

FOX NEWS.com (AP): "RUSSIA SUPPLIES IRAN WITH SURFACE-TO-AIR MISSILES, POSSIBLY TO PROTECT NUCLEAR SITE" (December 22, 2008) (Read More...)

PETROLEUM WORLD (AFP, December 21, 2008,13:28 GMT): Rome - "IRAN USING VENEZUELA TIES TO DUCK UN SANCTIONS: REPORT" (SNIPPET: "Citing US and other Western intelligence agencies, La Stampa said Iran is using aircraft from Venezuelan airline Conviasa to transport computers and engine components to Syria for use in missiles.") (December 22, 2008) (Read More...)

Travel.State.Gov - TRAVEL WARNING: "SRI LANKA" (December 22, 2008) (Read More...)

OSAC.gov - Consular Affairs Bulletins - Report - Peru: "WARDEN MESSAGE: NORTHERN PERU SECURITY PRECAUTIONS" (December 22, 2008) (Read More...)

Travel.State.Gov - TRAVEL ALERT: "INDIA" (December 24, 2008) (Read More...)

MEMRI.org - The Jihad and Terrorism Threat Monitor: "BAITULLAH MEHSUD: OUR SUICIDE BOMBERS WILL CREATE GREAT HAVOC IN INDIAN CITIES" (Posted December 24, 2008) (Read More...)

LONG WAR JOURNAL - blog: "PAKISTANI TALIBAN VOWS TO BATTLE INDIA" by Bill Roggio (December 23, 2008, 09:17 am) (Read More...)

Travel.State.Gov - TRAVEL ALERT: "INDIA" (December 19, 2008) (Read More...)

COUNTERTERRORISM BLOG.org: "OIC's 'DEFAMATION' DECLARATION COULD BE USED BY JIHADI TERROR NETWORKS" by Walid Phares (December 19, 2008) (Read More...)

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COUNTERTERRORISM BLOG.org: "NEFA FOUNDATION: FATAH AL-ISLAM CLAIMS DEATH OF LEADER, ENDORSES TERROR FINANCING THROUGH BANK ROBBERIES" by Evan Kohlmann (December 19, 2008) (Read More...)

JIHADICA.com - blog: "EMAIL INVASION OF U.S. AND U.K. UNIVERSITIES" (December 19, 2008) (Read More...)

Dallas.FBI.gov - Press Release: "SUSPICIOUS WHITE POWDER LETTERS RECEIVED AROUND THE UNITED STATES" (December 19, 2008)

FOX NEWS.com: "OWNER: MISSING AIRPLANE STOLEN BY FAKE PILOT, ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS" by Rita Cant (December 18, 2008) (Read More...)

OSAC.gov - Consular Affairs Bulletins - Report - France: "WARDEN MESSAGE: FRANCE URGES SECURITY VIGILANCE" (December 17, 2008) (Read More...)

OSAC.gov - Consular Affairs Bulletins - Report Warden Message: "YEMEN KIDNAPPING ALERT" (December 16, 2008) (Read More...)

NATIONAL TERROR ALERT Response Center (GLOBAL INCIDENT MAP.com): "HEIGHTENED AWARENESS RECOMMENDED FOR RAILWAYS OPERATING ALONG THE US-MEXICO BORDER" (December 15, 2008) (Read More...)

Travel.State.Gov - TRAVEL ALERT: "MEXICO" (October 14, 2008) (Read More...)

JIHAD WATCH.org (TIMES ONLINE.co.uk): "U.K.: COUNTERTERROR ADVISOR TO METROPOLITAN POLICE IS ON INTERPOL WANTED LIST" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Mohamed Ali Harrath has been the subject of the Interpol red notice since 1992 because of his alleged activities in Tunisia, where he co-founded the Tunisian Islamic Front (FIT). Tunisia has accused Mr Harrath, the chief executive officer of the Islam Channel in Britain and an adviser to the Scotland Yard Muslim Contact Unit, of seeking help from Osama bin Laden. It says that the FIT wants to establish "an Islamic state by means of armed revolutionary violence".") (December 15, 2008) (Read More...)

JIHAD WATCH.org (DAILY EXPRESS): "TALIBAN GROOMS CHILDREN FOR SUICIDE ATTACKS" (December 14, 2008) (Read More...)

JIHAD WATCH.org (TELEGRAPH.co.uk, December 13, 2008): "HYDERABAD: SCORES OF YOUNG MUSLIMS HAVE 'DISAPPEARED' TO PAKISTAN FOR JIHAD TRAINING" (December 14, 2008) (Read More...)

TIMES OF INDIA: Avijit Ghosh, TNN - "MAJOR JIHADI GROUPS HAVE DISAPPEARED, SAYS PAK NEWSPAPER" (December 13, 2008, 2022 hrs IST) (Read More...)

LONG WAR JOURNAL.org - blog (THE WEEKLY STANDARD): "AL QAEDA'S ANTHRAX SCIENTIST" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The government of Malaysia made a curious announcement this week: Yazid Sufaat, a known al Qaeda operative, and four other alleged terrorists have been released from jail.") (December 12, 2008, 1:16 pm) (Read More...)

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MEMRI.org - Inquiry and Analysis Series - No. 479: "CALLS IN IRAN TO TOPPLE EGYPTIAN, SAUDI REGIMES" by Y. Mansharof (December 12, 2008) (Read More...)

THE MEMRI BLOG.org ("Source: Al-Mustaqbal, Lebanon, December 11, 2008"): "REPORT IN LEBANON: FEAR OF ATTEMPTS TO STRIKE AT UNIFIL" (December 11, 2008) (Read More...)

OSAC.gov - Consular Affairs Bulletins - Report: "WARDEN MESSAGE: LIBYA SECURITY NOTICE" (December 11, 2008) (Read More...)

Dallas.FBI.gov - Press Release: "SUSPICIOUS WHITE POWDER LETTERS RECEIVED AROUND THE UNITED STATES" (December 10, 2008) (Read More...)

Travel.State.Gov: "TRAVEL ALERT: "MALI" (December 10, 2008) (Read More...)

ICC-CCS.org: "PIRACY ALERT" (December 9, 2008) (Read More...)

Yemen.US EMBASSY.gov - Travel Warnings and Warden Messages: "CONTINUED TERRORIST THREATS TO WESTERN INTERESTS IN YEMEN" (December 13, 2008) (Read More...)

OSAC.gov - Consular Affairs Bulletins - Report: "WARDEN MESSAGE: YEMEN ALERT FOR WESTERN HOTELS" (December 12, 2008) (Read More...)

OSAC.gov - Report: "WARDEN MESSAGE: CONTINUED THREATS, YEMEN" (December 8, 2008) (Read More...)

COUNTERTERRORISM BLOG.org: "MEXICO: GROWING TERROR AND CLOSE TO COLLAPSE" by Douglas Farah (December 8, 2008, 12:25 pm) (Read More...)

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JPOST.com: "INDIA WARNS THAT AL-QAIDA TARGETING GOA" by Yaakov Lappin (SNIPPET: ""Today, Goa faces serious threat from terrorists and there were specific inputs that al-Qaida would target certain [tourist] installations in Goa. Goa has a coastline of 105 km., major sea ports and beaches," the state's chief secretary, J.P. Singh, wrote in a memo, according to Indian media.") (Updated December 8, 2008, 5:21) (Read More...)

FRONTPAGE MAGAZINE.com (PAJAMAS MEDIA via FRONTPAGE MAGAZINE): "SOMALIS LEAVING U.S. FOR JIHAD" by Patrick Poole (December 12, 2008) (Read More...)

JIHAD WATCH.org (ISLAM IN EUROPE, December 6, 2008): "SOMALIS LEAVING DENMARK TO WAGE JIHAD IN SOMALIA" (December 7, 2008) (Read More...)

THE MEMRI BLOG.org: "SOMALI JIHADISTS CALL ON AMERICAN AND EUROPEAN MUSLIMS TO JOIN JIHAD IN SOMALIA" (Posted November 27, 2008) (Read More...)

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INVESTIGATIVE PROJECT.org - IPT News: "NEW DANISH BOOK DRAWS JIHADIST IRE" (December 5, 2008) (Read More...)

JIHAD WATCH.org: "EGYPTIAN CLERIC CALLS OBAMA TO CONVERT TO ISLAM" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Note the clear implication that if the one to whom this call is issued does not become a Muslim, his life and property will not be safe.") (December 4, 2008) (Read More...)

MEMRI TV.org - Video clip No. 1934: "Egyptian Cleric Hassan Abu Al-Ashbal Calls on President-Elect Obama to Convert to Islam, and Threatens: We Have People Who are Eager to Die" (November 27, 2008) (Watch Here.)

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ME TIMES.com - MIDDLE EAST TIMES: Washington, D.C. - "FEDS SCRUTINIZE U.S. LeT CELLS" by Richard Sale (Published December 5, 2008) (Read More...)

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ABC NEWS.go.com - blog: "MUMBAI: WHERE ARE THE 14 OTHER PAKISTANI-TRAINED TERRORISTS?" by Len Tepper, Richard Esposito, and Brian Ross (December 3, 2008) (Read More...)

FreeRepublic.com - Discussion Forum (NDTV - PRESS TRUST OF INDIA, December 4, 2008): "ANTONY WARNS OF AIRBORNE TERROR THREATS, CALLS FOR ALERTS" (Posted December 3, 2008) (Read More...)

Broadband.INDIA TIMES.com - Video: "NOW, TERROR EMAIL THREATENS AIRPORTS" (Watch Here.)

UNINHABITED ISLANDS CAN BECOME JIHADI BASES" Vishwa Mohan, TNN (December 3, 2008, 0300 IST) (Read More...)

MEMRI IWMP.org - Islamist Website Monitor - blog: "REPORT: AL-QAEDA IN THE ISLAMIC MAGHREB DISCUSSED ATTACK ON ALGERIAN PARLIAMENT, ARMY COS, MINISTERS" (Posted December 3, 2008) (Read More...)

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WHITEHOUSE.gov - News - Fact Sheet: "DEFENDING AGAINST WEAPONS OF MASS DESTRUCTION TERRORISM Commission Report Endorses Administration Initiatives and Calls for Continuation of Successful WMD Policies to Address Increasing Threat" (December 3, 2008) (Read More...)

LIFE IN ITALY.com (ANSA): Milan - "TERROR SUSPECTS 'TARGETING ITALY'" (ARTICLE SNIPPET: "The men are believed to have watched instructional films on terrorist attacks and researched methods on the Internet."ARTICLE SNIPPET: "Police also seized the Peace Cultural Centre in the Lombardy village of Macherio, where Ilhami worked as a preacher, during Tuesday's operation. According to investigators, small groups of fundamentalists met at the centre in the evenings after the day's official sermons were finished.") (December 2, 2008)

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>>I simply do not care what happens to these vicious, horrible people. Let me see if I can muster a feeling...nope, nothing. If they can dish it out, then surely they can take it. Maybe Allah will give them a few extra virgins for their trouble.<<

My Grand Daddy used to tell a story about a woman who screamed at a man for holding the door for her - yelling “you don’t have to hold for me because I’m a lady.”

The man responded “I don’t even know whether you are a lady - I held the door because I am a gentleman.”

Obviously we are talking about a deadly serious situation, not just hold a door, but there is a similar principle - that we treat others humanely not because of their worthiness but because of our character and best interest.

If the prisoner sees someone wearing a cross lapel pin.... is it torture? If their last meal was not halal is it torture? If their lawyer doesn’t take a secret code for their handlers in the US is it torture? some people have an odd idea on what is torture.

There is certainly strong disagreement on this issue... but I find I get treated better here when I’m in the minority on an issue than on most other boards.

I appreciate your post.

And of course when you read the article you quickly discover that there was no torture, and this woman, this "Susan Crawford", is just another liberal scumbag who is stabbing Bush in the back on his way out the door, just like he deserves for having Democrat scum like Crawford in his administration in the first place.

"The techniques they used were all authorized, but the manner in which they applied them was overly aggressive and too persistent," Crawford sniffed. "You think of torture, you think of some horrendous physical act done to an individual," she told the Post. "This was not any one particular act; this was just a combination of things that had a medical impact on him, that hurt his health. It was abusive and uncalled for."

"They were mean to him!"

Interrogation techniques used on Qahtani included sustained isolation, sleep deprivation, nudity and prolonged exposure to cold.

Friggin' yawn....

>>War is a terrible thing to do. Driving aeroplanes into the side of the World Trade Center is a terrible thing to do. Slamming an aeroplane into the Pentagon is a terrible thing to do. Driving an aeroplane into a Pennsylvania field is a terrible thing to do. Sawing off people’s heads with dull knives on TV is a terrible thing to do. Blowing up trains during rush hour is a terrible thing to do...

So where does it stop, and where does it begin? At what point is the Enemy going to respect human rights at least as much as we do?

This particular enemy doesn’t, and won’t.

In that context, then, waterboarding the Enemy is a mild, measured and polite response that is well within the confines of moral justifiability.<<

Generally I support the death penalty for pretty much any terrorist action that results in a death... and support it strongly for the examples you list.

But we don’t give somebody the death penalty in secret and without carefully justifying it. I’m arguing the standard for torture should be rigorous and also subject to justification of an imminent saving of life.

>>And of course when you read the article you quickly discover that there was no torture, and this woman, this “Susan Crawford”, is just another liberal scumbag who is stabbing Bush in the back on his way out the door, just like he deserves for having Democrat scum like Crawford in his administration in the first place.<<

I don’t if Wikipedia is accurate but this is what it says about her

>>Susan J. Crawford is an American lawyer, who was appointed the convening authority for the Guantanamo military commissions, on February 7, 2007.[1] Secretary of Defense Robert Gates appointed Crawford to replace John D. Altenburg.[2] She had previously served as judge and chief judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Armed Forces, Inspector General of the Department of Defense (appointed by George H. W. Bush), General Counsel for the Department of the Army (appointed by Ronald Reagan) and Assistant State’s Attorney for Garrett County, Maryland.[3][4]<<

This torture might have consisted of forcing the detainee to sit through “Mamma Mia” all the way to the end.

More inmates are tortured in the California Correctional system then in Abu Ghraib and Gitmo.

Always remember to a muslim, beheadings are not torture.

>>If the prisoner sees someone wearing a cross lapel pin.... is it torture? If their last meal was not halal is it torture? If their lawyer doesn’t take a secret code for their handlers in the US is it torture? some people have an odd idea on what is torture.<<

I formed some of my opinion on this when I worked for a college newspaper and was sent to cover an anti-abortion protest. Protesters laid down in front of cars to stop women from being delivered to the clinic for abortions.

The police twisted the protesters’ arms until the pain caused them to agree to stop blocking the cars.

I thought about it and concluded that torture included the government using pain to force people to do or say something the would not do willingly when there was another way.

I think putting somebody in a freezer until they have to be hospitalized would qualify.

JIHAD WATCH.org (THE SMOKING GUN): "TORTURE, AL QAEDA STYLE" (May 24, 2007)

THE SMOKING GUN.com: "TORTURE, AL-QAEDA STYLE Drawings, tools seized from Iraq safe house in U.S. Military raid" (May 24, 2007)

>>More inmates are tortured in the California Correctional system then in Abu Ghraib and Gitmo.<<

I watched a show on supermax prison in Cali - I think I’d rather be dead.

> But we don’t give somebody the death penalty in secret and without carefully justifying it. I’m arguing the standard for torture should be rigorous and also subject to justification of an imminent saving of life.

Perhaps during a time of war “Torture” (or more properly “Enhanced Interrogation Techniques”) should be relegated to the level of Field Court Martial. Same as hanging spies or applying Field Punishments #1 and #2 for delinquent troops.

So what I am suggesting is that it should be made an operational decision and not something that requires senior court oversight.