Posted on 01/14/2009 5:19:12 AM PST by Malone LaVeigh
US agents at Guantanamo Bay tortured a Saudi man suspected of involvement in the 11 September attacks, the official overseeing trials at the camp has said.
Susan Crawford told the Washington Post newspaper that Mohammad al-Qahtani had been left in a "life-threatening condition" after being interrogated.
She said Mr Qahtani had been subjected to sustained periods of cold, isolation and sleep deprivation.
Mr Qahtani remains at Guantanamo, but all charges against him were dropped.
He had been facing trial on counts of conspiracy, terrorism, and murder in violation of the laws of war.
(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...
I'd like her to point out one time our objections over the treatment of our soldiers in enemy hands ever resulted in any improvement.
Re: She said Mr Qahtani had been subjected to sustained periods of cold, isolation and sleep deprivation.
I will be taking a trip to the mountains of Nepal this year and will experience cold, isolation and sleep deprivation. Does this mean I am torturing myself?
Exactly! Why don’t we just behead the enemy combatants and be done with it.
“She said Mr Qahtani had been subjected to sustained periods of cold, isolation and sleep deprivation.”
The victims of 911 were subjected to far worse.
I suspect he was about as close to being in “life threatening conditions” as I am to being crowned King of Mars, Jupiter and all points beyond by the Intergalactic Space Agency.
We were never again attacked. Zero can do things His way. Results are what counts. People did talk afterwards. She is alive.
Is she so naive as to believe that al queda, or any of the others we're fighting, abide by the Geneva Conventions?
In other words, he was not brutalized or had his head cut off, he just had to suffer some cold, sleep deprivation and Barry Manilow.
Torture, indeed.
Elliot Spitzer would have paid thousands for the same treatment!
And the document, published last May, also contained allegations that dogs had been used on two occasions to "terrorise" the detainee.
On the other hand, I heard the terrorists raved about the cuisine. And the prayer rugs were nice too!
Guantanamo agents ‘used torture’
Thank You Agents for doing your duty and placing the well-fare of American Citizens over Political Correctness the concerns of Socialists and other assorted Terrorist factions.....
After all of the whingeing about the treatment, they are puzzled what to do with a man too dangerous to release.
Forget torture its better to send the SOB back in a body bag. (or pig skin) These bleeding hearts never bleed for the victims, they only bleed for the culprits.
” no decision has yet been announced on the future of Mr Qahtani and other inmates who are deemed too dangerous to release, but may be impossible to prosecute.”
Institution for the criminally insane? For life? Rubber room, straightjacket for life.
If this “Republican” Susan Crawford is typical of the type of people hired and trusted by the Bush Administration, it’s no wonder the Bush Administration’s war on terror is viewed as broke. (which it’s not)
Even if she felt so strongly, she should have kept her own counsel.... instead of blasting this all over the world.... which not puts American service men and women in EVEN MORE harm than they already are.
Every time I get the least bit proud of the Bush Admin, something like (Susan Crawford) occurs which makes me wonder if the admin ever had any brains.
“If we tolerate this and allow it, then how can we object when our servicemen and women, or others in foreign service, are captured and subjected to the same techniques?
I don’t care if they dipped him in acid, we got information that saved lives.
We can always take NO prisoners.
all I can say is
THANK YOU
Guantanamo agents, for keeping us safe.
Why do our guys just shoot him in the head, and everyone wins?
For me it is listening to Hillary Clinton speak.
re: subjected to sustained periods of cold, isolation and sleep deprivation
Sounds like they might have sent him to the Army, Air Force, Marines, Navy or Coast Guard boot camp. I’m sure there are people in boot camp right now that would gladly trade places with him!
I don’t consider any of these things ‘torture’. They might be tough and leave some psychological scars, but they don’t rise to the level of torture, IMHO.
Personally, I think listening to the Beeb for more than a few minutes is torture.
But you're right. The libs are doing what they can to encourage a "Take no prisoners" approach, since what they want is a "catch and release" program for those who want to kill us. They want to make warfare like our justice system.
“...sustained periods of cold, isolation and sleep deprivation...”
Newsflash!
This is NOT torture!
This clown would declare that first offering then withholding M&M’s is “torture”.
Picked up? That sounds rather benign. You can bet dollars to donuts the truth, without the omission, is more like "apprehended in an assault on a Taliban and/or Al Qaeda encampment.
She said....she said. Look, lady, after you learn to read, look into the historical records of prisoner treatment of just the last seventy years. Then compare the record of the USA with their “kind and gentle” adversaries.
GERMANY; TWO and a half MILLION Russian POW’s— dead!
Countless American POW’s brutilized.
An event called the Holocaust
JAPAN: Thousands of American and British POW’s dead!
Millions of Chinese butchered in the spot.
Uncounted Phillipinos butchered.
Korean to many to count and Asian populations.
N. KOREA: American POW’s, bound with phone wire and shot
by the hundreds.
American POW’s killed in prison camps
When CERTAIN people gain the upper hand, it is time for the REAL KILLING to begin. More millions died AFTER the Germans had won their battles than during the actual combat. Same record for the Japanese military.
When the “hated” American military wins its battle, the killing STOPS. Do you you understand that word “STOPS”?
An enemy combatant was “deprived of sleep, he was kept cold, subjected to rotten music”. You are describing the daily life of an American worker in the northern part of our country. Go away!!!!!
The notion that there are laws in war is why we don't win wars anymore
Good, my only regret is that these scum still breathe.
To this moron, "torture" is being served her favorite latte a bit too cool, or, perhaps hearing "hateful" words. But, of course, she cannot talk to real torture victims because they are all dead, some headless.
We are in an age where very, very small weapons can cause massive destruction. We know that WMD’s have been around but the capability to move and deploy them is much easier because of the size.
We are not dealing with swords, muskets and cannon balls. Intelligence and swift action is of the utmost!!!
The Democrats hate this country so much that they are willing to re-define “torture” in order to attack it. Big surprise that our enemies are using the weapon the RATS provided to bash us and stir up hatred for the US.
Susan, put a zipper on it. You’re so blatantly naïve as to what goes on, on the battlefield, it’s frightening. There are many people in this world that vehemently hate us. Muslims won’t follow the Geneva Conventions, instead opting for shariah law and the most horrific crimes ever recorded in history. Where is your silly little head? I suspect that Zero, once he’s able to pull his head out, will plummet to earth with a resounding hard landing, probably within three months of the coronation.
sustained periods of cold, isolation and sleep deprivation
So being cold, alone, and tired......is now "torture"....man, did my Drill Sgts torture the hell outta me....
This Just In: Cops beat people with sticks and armies kill people with bombs. More on this breaking story at the top of the hour.
“The notion that there are laws in war is why we don’t win wars anymore”
Yeah, didn’t the British view guerillas like Ethan Allen and Francis Marion as violating the gentlemanly game we call war? Didn’t Honest Abe allow Sherman to burn Atlanta? Didn’t beloved humanitarian FDR firebomb Dresden? Didn’t Harry “Fair Deal” Truman kill more than a thousand souls in one stroke? Talk about crimes.
Take a look at the judge and judge for yourself: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/13/AR2009011303372.html
We'd probably be pleasantly surprised if our people were subject only to the "same techniques." They are much better than what Americans are usually subject to, and that means our people would survive unscathed and well fed. Wouldn't that be a pleasant change? Imagine not having our soldiers skinned and dragged through the streets. Imagine not to having them hung by their ankles from bridges and set on fire but rather, subjected to a few rounds of extreme embarassment before getting to see some defense attorneys. Wouldn't it be nice if Berg had just been waterboarded instead of decapitated? Wouldn't it have been nice if captured Americans were allowed to talk to the red cross and had only to endure the dreaded underwear "torture?" Maybe if the USAID diplomat Lawrence Foley, instead of being gunned down by Zarqawi's people, only had to face down a guard with a pearly-toothed, slobber-flinging, well trained barking dog? Oh my. Whatever would we do with all these people surviving captivity like that and keeping their government jobs?
You want to know how we can object? We object to ill-treatment of captured Americans by WINNING.Why? Because if we don't win we will face far worse than what these bleedinghearts are complaining about. The swifter and more sure our victory the less we have to depend on the enemy to behave.
“Not quite sure what your point is”
My point was that each and every example I sighted could have been cited as war crimes, if such a thing as the U.N. or the World Court existed at the time. I thereby underlined your argument, namely, “The notion that there are laws in war is why we don’t win wars anymore”.
You are right.
Gotcha....getting hard to tell around here anymore.
"It did shock me," Crawford said. "I was upset by it. I was embarrassed by it. If we tolerate this and allow it, then how can we object when our servicemen and women, or others in foreign service, are captured and subjected to the same techniques? How can we complain? Where is our moral authority to complain? Well, we may have lost it."
I had to stop reading here.
No, the embarrassment is that this woman, who knows the extent of real torture to which our own military people have been subjected, could call what this terrorist endured torture. Even if it was abusive it cannot compare with what has been done to our own. I can't believe there is one of our own who wouldn't have gladly exchanged places with those enduring our interrogation techniques. Are there no limits to their notions of moral equivalency?
The torture is in patriotic U.S. citizens having to watch as people like this woman undermine America. She, and others like her, through ignorance or by design, are doing more damage to our country with the accumulation of leftist politically correct complicity, helping the cause of the enemy, than has been done to that terrorist, or others like him, who have been interrogated by our intelligence people.
She joins with the Left in handing our enemies something they could never win with their evil tactics - the PR victory. Foreign enemies never could have accomplished the harm against the United States of America that has been done from within by her own citizens.
...plus spending a but-load of cash to do it. Yeah, sounds like torture to me. Perhaps you should just act like a terrorist? The US govt could torture you for free.
Nope, naive would be a step up for her. She is brain dead.
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