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Europe baffled by broken gas promises
FT.com ^ | 1-13-09 | Isabel Gorst in Moscow, Joshua Chaffin in Brussels and Roman Olearchyk in Kiev

Posted on 01/14/2009 1:55:42 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182

The bitter gas dispute between Russia and Ukraine descended into near-chaos on Tuesday, leaving European Union diplomats baffled as promises to restart supplies fully were broken and Moscow suggested that the US had meddled in the affair.

In a potentially alarming twist on Tuesday night, Gazprom, the Russian gas company, said it was unable to meet its legal commitments to supply European countries with gas because Ukraine was allegedly blocking the flow across its territory.[snip]............

EU officials said the monitors had, after long delays, been given access to control rooms at gas dispatch centres but they would not predict when flows would resume.

Jonathan Stern, head of gas research at the Oxford Institute of Energy Studies, said Russian and Ukrainian statements were “all smoke and mirrors”.

“We should not be listening now to what Medvedev or Naftogaz tell us. We should be listening to the monitors,” he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at ft.com ...


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: commie; energy; naturalgas; putin; russia; ussr
Serves Europe right for trusting commies! It is really going to get cold over there and they are not in a position to do much about it, which is exactly what Putin wants.
1 posted on 01/14/2009 1:55:42 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Peace in our time, right Europies?

(eyes rolling)


2 posted on 01/14/2009 1:57:44 PM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Who warned them about this? Reagan.

I wish we had another Reagan. :-(


3 posted on 01/14/2009 2:01:25 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: Badeye

Ukraine’s desire to join NATO is what this is all about.


4 posted on 01/14/2009 2:01:31 PM PST by Eric in the Ozarks
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To: Anti-Bubba182
Yes, once again, the Euroweenies should be real easy to control and defeat. They have pretty much halted Coal electrical plants because of the green mania taking over the Liberal/Leftist world.

They get what they deserve and have subsequently created.

5 posted on 01/14/2009 2:01:39 PM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (WHAT? Where did my tag line go? (ACORN))
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To: Badeye

I guess this is just another testimony to the fact that runaway liberalism and socialism is a mental disorder.

Who IN THEIR RIGHT MIND, would believe socialists and/or communists?? Even America is now getting is due lessons in how credible, honest and well-intended these maggots are.

Remember this Euro-weenies. Especially when you are cold in winter — about what great guys the commies/socialists are. Sadly, our country still has to learn a HUGE LESSON which is coming down in spades....big time.


6 posted on 01/14/2009 2:01:48 PM PST by EagleUSA
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

Yep.


7 posted on 01/14/2009 2:02:55 PM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
After the EU expended all that vintage euro-"soft power" being nice, winking and nudging, the hard power Russkies stabbed them in the back. The EU is Shocked, I'm sure.
8 posted on 01/14/2009 2:03:44 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Europe baffled by broken gas promises.

Ruskies swore it wasn’t them.


9 posted on 01/14/2009 2:04:48 PM PST by dblshot
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Obama’s fault.

Oops, I shot too soon.


10 posted on 01/14/2009 2:05:26 PM PST by razorback-bert (Save the planet...it is the only known one with beer!)
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To: dblshot

I thought it was “broke wind” and “passed gas”,

not “broke gas”...


11 posted on 01/14/2009 2:08:23 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: razorback-bert

Yup - Things will always be Bush’s fault, even when he and Laura return to Texas as private citizens.


12 posted on 01/14/2009 2:08:37 PM PST by ushr435
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To: Badeye

Looks like the New COLD War has started. At least the Euros will have warm thoughts from global warming.


13 posted on 01/14/2009 2:09:49 PM PST by Highleyman
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP
Right! Europe gets a self inflicted green weenie, with the Putin secret sauce. They should have seen this coming. This was inevitable once the Germans agreed to a Baltic pipeline to bypass Poland. The divide and conquer approach works very well in Europe.

Putin and the pipelines

14 posted on 01/14/2009 2:11:56 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Regardless of who is the unreliable partner, Russia or Ukraine, Europe should take this as a lesson in the need to diversify away from dependence on gas from the east.

Focus on building nukes. Focus on coal. Focus on natgas from the North Sea, from the Caspian, whatever. Build LNG plants so you can get gas from anywhere.

Diversification of supply is the key to energy independence. Since we know that Russia and Ukraine are going to get into a spat periodically, the main thing is to diversify away from them.


15 posted on 01/14/2009 2:13:02 PM PST by marron
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To: MrB

not “broke gas”...

Is way speaks Bork, gas is broke when is finger pulled.


16 posted on 01/14/2009 2:13:24 PM PST by dblshot
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To: razorback-bert

Obama is immune to criticism for a couple of years. His surrogates in the party and the media will see that Bush gets the blame.


17 posted on 01/14/2009 2:14:24 PM PST by Anti-Bubba182
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To: Frantzie

The ‘progressives’ would unleash the hounds of hell to go after Reagan. They wouldn’t be as ‘kind’ now as they were then. (If you call it kindness.)
Destruction follows liberal agendas.


18 posted on 01/14/2009 2:15:35 PM PST by griswold3 (a good story is more compelling than the search for truth)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

When Russia signed an agreement with the EU to pull their occupation forces in Georgia back to pre-August levels, the Russians didn’t do it. They signed the agreement but they lied. They never had any intention of abiding by it. Whatever the Kremlin says, the opposite is the truth. When Putin said the gas flow would resume, the stupid euros should have known that meant the opposite was true.


19 posted on 01/14/2009 2:20:17 PM PST by Tailgunner Joe
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To: Anti-Bubba182

If we allow the libs to continue to force us not to produce our own energy, it will be even worse for the US.

After all, we will not be dealing with Russia as much as Iran, Venezuela, Saudi, etc........


20 posted on 01/14/2009 2:28:26 PM PST by bestintxas (It's great in Texas)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

So why isn’t Gerhard Schröder’s name more prominent in this debacle? He was championed by American leftists and Euroweenies as their example of a true leader for the way that he stabbed America in the back during the run-up to the Iraq war. Then he took his reward by joining Gazprom. His fingers have to be all over this, yet ‘strangely’ we hear nothing about him in any of these articles...


21 posted on 01/14/2009 2:28:40 PM PST by The Electrician ("Government is the only enterprise in the world which expands in size when its failures increase.")
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Why on earth would anyone trust or believe anything from jack-booted neo-Soviet commie thugs?

Oh, I forgot, socialist Euro-weenies will believe anything that makes them feel good.


22 posted on 01/14/2009 2:34:16 PM PST by Enchante (Jan. 20, 2009: There is not enough scotch whiskey in the world to drown my sorrows now..........)
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To: marron
Focus on building nukes? Heck, the Germans are busy shutting down all of their nukes!
23 posted on 01/14/2009 2:38:40 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Barack Obama is a Disney character. His wife - a product of Marvel Comics.)
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To: Frantzie

The outright sabotage that the US took part in by selling defective parts by proxy to the USSR for their pipelines was absolute brilliance.

Ronald Reagan, please come back.


24 posted on 01/14/2009 2:55:40 PM PST by Carling (After the post-election GOP attacks against Gov. Palin, I am sad to say I am leaving the party..)
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To: Carling

Was it defective parts or was it bogus plans for a valve or something that the USSR stole, copied and caused a refinery (?) to blow up.


25 posted on 01/14/2009 2:59:01 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: Anti-Bubba182

What’s happened here is the the Ukrainians have been pilfering gas from the transit-pipes for years and the Russians have been looking the other way (for whatever reason). Finally, at the end of last year, the Russians got fed up and told Ukraine that they can damn well pay for the gas, same as anyone else. In response, the Ukraine shut off the transit-pipes in hopes to blackmail Russian companies into giving them significantly lower prices on the gas than other European customers are paying.

Once the north-stream pipeline is completed (which will run under the baltic sea directly to Germany) and the expansion of the blue-stream Russia-Turkey pipeline under the Black Sea is upgraded, Ukraine won’t have any leverage anymore.

Truth is, Russia needs the gas to flow as much as, or more, than Europe does. It’s one of their major sources of foreign trade and currency. Every second that gas is turned off is a second Europe is working on alternatives and Russia can ill afford that. While I distrust Russia in every instance, in this particular it’s the Ukrainians doing the mugging.


26 posted on 01/14/2009 3:08:21 PM PST by SwedishConservative
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; justiceseeker93; ..
Europe isn't too freakin' bright.
Gazprom, the Russian gas company, said it was unable to meet its legal commitments to supply European countries with gas because Ukraine was allegedly blocking the flow across its territory.
Russia has been laying groundwork to invade the Ukraine. There's also the possibility that Russia *can't* supply the gas due to infrastructure failures (and incompetence).
27 posted on 01/14/2009 3:21:51 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Anti-Bubba182
and Moscow suggested that the US had meddled in the affair

I was just waiting for this one...

28 posted on 01/14/2009 3:23:44 PM PST by John123 (The US may be going down the drain, but everyone else will drown first...)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Some days, the bear gets you...


29 posted on 01/14/2009 3:40:45 PM PST by PzLdr ("The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am" - Darth Vader)
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To: Anti-Bubba182

Sometimes, the sheer, unadulterated ignorance of people CONFOUND me....


30 posted on 01/14/2009 3:46:00 PM PST by patriot preacher (To be a good American Citizen and a Christian IS NOT a contradiction. (www.mygration.blogspot.com))
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To: Frantzie
Can't remember exactly. The plans sound more correct. Plans that were fed to the USSR via foreign agents. You know, back when our intel actually protected our national interests.

I read about it in a book a while back. Crusader by Paul Kengor, perhaps? I'd have to review my notes.

31 posted on 01/14/2009 4:40:05 PM PST by Carling (After the post-election GOP attacks against Gov. Palin, I am sad to say I am leaving the party..)
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To: Badeye

Europeans are beyond redemption. Did they really think, when they tied themselves to Russian oil, it would not be ultimately be used as a club by the Russian government?

Of course, leftist demrats here at home, have managed to do the same thing here. They block every attempt at making us independent of Mid East oil. That is why we have soldiers fighting and dying in Iraq and Afghanistan—even more than Al Queda’s dastardly 9/11 attack. Afterall, if we weren’t buying Mid East oil the muslim terrorists could not make the argument that America is exploiting the region.


32 posted on 01/14/2009 5:32:33 PM PST by dools007
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To: MrB

EU: Russia stinks when it doesn’t pass gas.


33 posted on 01/14/2009 6:25:39 PM PST by Max in Utah (A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within.)
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To: Tailgunner Joe
When Putin said the gas flow would resume, the stupid euros should have known that meant the opposite was true.

How long is it going to take for them to realize they are dealing with the Russian Mob ?

A whole lot of Pleasure mixed with some Business.

34 posted on 01/14/2009 9:17:38 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: SwedishConservative
The battle of the oligarchs behind the gas dispute

Oligarchs. IE - Mob Bosses.

35 posted on 01/14/2009 9:20:47 PM PST by justa-hairyape
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To: Highleyman

Kinda funny the arrogance they routinely exhibit towards us isn’t backed up by sound judgement on the world stage, for the last century, isn’t it?


36 posted on 01/15/2009 5:54:00 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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