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Flush out the real birth certificate - Vanity

Posted on 01/14/2009 2:31:03 PM PST by knew it all the time

Perhaps the following would bring forth the elussive BC.

A large sum of money, upwards of 1 million dollars, is placed in trust with a reputable bank. This money would be designated to be paid to a chairatible organization upon BHO producing the genuine certificate, and allowing it be verified by forensics experts.

If he produces the genuine BC within a reasonable time, say ten days, the funds go to charity and he is a hero, if he ddoesn't the money is returned to the source, and some deserving charity comes up a loser due to the arragance of BHO,

Such a scheme might even get the attention of the MSM.


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KEYWORDS: bho2008; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; eligibility; getalife; getoverit; itsoverbirthers; makeitstop; notthisshiitagain; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; tinfoil; troofers
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1 posted on 01/14/2009 2:31:04 PM PST by knew it all the time
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To: knew it all the time

How bout just an ounce or two o’blow and a couple o’ hootchies?


2 posted on 01/14/2009 2:35:09 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: knew it all the time

A large sum of money properly applied to a low level employee of the department of health in Hawaii could produce the information. Then it could be handed to someone like Polarik who could examine it for evidence of forgery, though it’s hard to do on just a copy or a scan. However, just the information itself would be valuable.


3 posted on 01/14/2009 2:38:47 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Kevmo
A large sum of money properly applied to a low level employee of the department of health in Hawaii could produce the information.

Something like that is surely going to happen, with a U.S. or Brit tabloid footing the bill.

4 posted on 01/14/2009 2:43:57 PM PST by JennysCool (Internet Powerhouse)
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To: Kevmo

I do hope someone finally breaks the silence on this, and your scenario would be a good way for it to get done.

National Enquirer to the rescue? They’ve got enough dough to entice someone in Hawaii to get a copy of that BC.


5 posted on 01/14/2009 2:52:39 PM PST by TheConservativeParty ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not why the ship was built." by The First Gal of AK)
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To: Kevmo

We just need to Hawaii Gov to step up and be a Patriot, no matter what becomes of her afterward.


6 posted on 01/14/2009 2:54:47 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: TheConservativeParty

They’ve got enough dough to entice someone in Hawaii to get a copy of that BC.
***I wonder how stupid those people who work there can be. That piece of paper is worth more than any retirement. And there’s no way it could be traceable back to them unless they leave fingerprints on it or some idiocy. If I were working there, I’d be angling to do exactly that. All I would need is a 3rd party to act as intermediary with the Enquirer or whomever. Hey, DoH guys: That’s what Freepmail is for.... heh heh


7 posted on 01/14/2009 2:57:18 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Deaf Smith

But... what’s in it for her? She didn’t get that high up by not looking out for herself. She probably views that as HER information to do with as SHE sees fit. This would be an intrusion into her bailiwick.


8 posted on 01/14/2009 2:59:27 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Kevmo

The hospital has records as well. Maybe we should offer a big gift to the hospital in Hawaii who claims him.
Sooner or later, the truth will be known.


9 posted on 01/14/2009 3:01:58 PM PST by Oldexpat (Drill Here, Drill There..we must drill everywhere.)
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To: knew it all the time
I don't need no stinkin' birth certificate!

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10 posted on 01/14/2009 3:02:28 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: Kevmo
"But... what’s in it for her?"

History...

Booth

Mudd

Harvey

J Ruby

Deep Throat & (2 msn guys)

Hinckel

Flowers...

11 posted on 01/14/2009 3:06:20 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: knew it all the time

You really think BHO would opt for a cool million he couldn’t even keep, when he’s flaunted the US Constitution this long? No way we’ll ever see that document, it’s not gonna happen.

But if you have that kind of money to burn, please invest a paultry 60 grand in FreeRepublic to keep the forum up another few months. At the rate that tote bar is moving it’ll be March before we reach the $80,000 goal and Q2 starts in April.

If you’re just suggesting someone else put up the dough, never mind, there’s breaking news here somewhere.


12 posted on 01/14/2009 3:06:44 PM PST by Drumbo ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats." - Jubal Harshaw (Robert A. Heinlein))
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13 posted on 01/14/2009 3:08:54 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Kevmo

Or maybe just leave it as Deep Throat.


14 posted on 01/14/2009 3:10:59 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: knew it all the time

The beauty of TARP is that the party in power NEVER has to beg for money again, and they ALWAYS HAVE MORE than anyone else. With total unaccountability.


15 posted on 01/14/2009 3:13:17 PM PST by bvw
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To: Drumbo

The money would not go to BHO, It would be in trust for a charity selected by the donor. The onus would be on the annoited one to produce a document or it’s his fault the charity gets shorted.


16 posted on 01/14/2009 3:16:05 PM PST by knew it all the time
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To: Oldexpat; Chief Engineer

The hospital has records as well.
***That’s just it. The two hospitals claimed to be the birth place both say they do not have any records. Curioser and curiouser, eh? I think it was Chief Engineer who found that bit of info.


17 posted on 01/14/2009 3:16:16 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: knew it all the time
The money would not go to BHO, It would be in trust for a charity selected by the donor. The onus would be on the annoited one to produce a document or it’s his fault the charity gets shorted.

I replied:
You really think BHO would opt for a cool million he couldn’t even keep ...? - which implies I understood your premise. Obviously you didn't understand my response.
Carry on.
18 posted on 01/14/2009 3:21:38 PM PST by Drumbo ("Democracy can withstand anything but democrats." - Jubal Harshaw (Robert A. Heinlein))
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To: knew it all the time

I head a media guy equate this with Trig not being Sarah’s son. It is about the same thing. You guys need to get over it. You look to the rest of the world to be nuts. It is over. Let it go. Go for therapy. It was never gonna work.
I dislike Bambi more than most, can’t stand to see or hear him. But he is the POTUS as of next week. Save your brain for something real.


19 posted on 01/14/2009 3:24:20 PM PST by libbylu (Sarah - the light of the midnight sun)
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To: Kevmo

Neither hospital has laid claim to being his birthplace citing HIPPA. The stories are still on the internet to confuse people, some mention Queen’s as his birthplace while others cite Kapiolani. Both hospitals have guards placed at them to deter people from even asking about birth records and a story did hit the web that no hospitals in Hawaii would affirm that either Jr or his mother were ever patients there. The problem I have with the no records story is that Straub is mentioned as never having had either as a patient and yet Straub is listed in numerous stories as the hospital where Ann died.


20 posted on 01/14/2009 3:26:53 PM PST by Chief Engineer
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To: Kevmo

What if the Obama worshippers who work at the Hawaii Gov’t Office involved, are such ardent admirers of The One, that not a one of them will be tempted to out The Usurper?

The libs do see their politics as their religion after all. Maybe no one wants to harm their god Obama?

Someday, someone will bring this issue into the light and we will know the truth. How long that will take is the question.


21 posted on 01/14/2009 3:37:36 PM PST by TheConservativeParty ("A ship in harbor is safe, but that is not why the ship was built." by The First Gal of AK)
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To: trumandogz

MY DATE!


22 posted on 01/14/2009 3:38:13 PM PST by jarofants
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To: trumandogz
If that's supposed to be the fat lady singing shouldn't it be Aretha Franklins photo there?
23 posted on 01/14/2009 3:40:16 PM PST by jarofants
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To: trumandogz

You’re a Prima Donna. Who would have guessed?


24 posted on 01/14/2009 3:42:59 PM PST by Red Steel
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25 posted on 01/14/2009 3:43:50 PM PST by jws3sticks (Hillary can take a very long walk on a very short pier, anytime, and the sooner the better!)
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To: Deaf Smith

I don’t understand what you’re saying here. She gets to be known in history as the one who took The ONE down? And like Booth & Ruby, she gets killed? Or like Hinckel she gets imprisoned? I don’t get it.


26 posted on 01/14/2009 3:46:07 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Kevmo
I should have left the comparison to just Deep throat.

They would teach about her forever in schools, as the person who brought Hussein down...no matter what they think of her actions.

All the others I listed are part of history.

27 posted on 01/14/2009 3:56:08 PM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: Kevmo

If the actual document is stolen it will forever be rendered illegitimate. Once the chain of custody is broken no one would accept it would they?


28 posted on 01/14/2009 4:11:43 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: knew it all the time

That’s actually a brilliant idea. It would put the pressure on Obama to explain why he was unwilling to facilitate such a significant amount going to a deserving charity, with only the smallest effort on his part.

Even if it could be arranged, I wonder if a paper or station could be found to actually publicise it. That’s what frightens me the most. The absolute blackout of information which has been achieved, even in the digital age.


29 posted on 01/14/2009 4:24:40 PM PST by Nipfan (The desire to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it - H L Mencken)
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To: Nipfan
Thanks Nipfan. Glad that somebody finally got the picture.
30 posted on 01/14/2009 4:55:52 PM PST by knew it all the time
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To: TigersEye

Once the chain of custody is broken no one would accept it would they?
***It depends. We’re not talking about info legally admissible in a court of law, we’re talking about info that gets thrown around the MSM. The standards are completely different, and the courts are subject to pressure when the MSM gets overheated. So the trick is to get the overheating started, like with a document we’ve been discussing.


31 posted on 01/14/2009 5:01:01 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Kevmo

If the document is rendered inadmissible as evidence it won’t matter how overheated the MSM gets about it.


32 posted on 01/14/2009 5:05:26 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: TigersEye

If the document is rendered inadmissible as evidence it won’t matter how overheated the MSM gets about it.
***It happens all the time. Remember Monica Lewinsky? She was recorded against her wishes, so the “documentation” was probably never admissible. But it generated the right kind of heat and did exactly what was needed.


33 posted on 01/14/2009 5:11:17 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Kevmo

It did?


34 posted on 01/14/2009 5:17:58 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: TigersEye

It did?
***Sure it did. It was those recordings that pressured her into settling with the prosecutors over perjury and subornation of perjury charges, and led to her turning over the blue dress.


35 posted on 01/14/2009 5:31:13 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: knew it all the time
A large sum of money, upwards of 1 million dollars, is placed in trust with a reputable bank. This money would be designated to be paid to a chairatible organization upon BHO producing the genuine certificate, and allowing it be verified by forensics experts.

Up the amount a bit and this could be the first couple of sentences in a new variation on the Nigerian scam.

36 posted on 01/14/2009 6:49:24 PM PST by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: libbylu

I head a media guy equate this with Trig not being Sarah’s son. It is about the same thing.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

What did Trig have to do with violating the constitution?


37 posted on 01/14/2009 7:19:56 PM PST by RipSawyer (Great Grandpa was a Confederate soldier from the cradle of secession.)
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To: Kevmo
OK you made your point in that particular instance. But there that led to opening (or keeping open) the door to going for a prosecution against the main subject of the investigation.

If the real BC is rendered legally useless that's the end of it. It might alter some public opinion but it would always be considered tin foil hat stuff at best.

38 posted on 01/14/2009 7:38:46 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: RipSawyer; libbylu
Unlike 0bama Trig has a valid long-form BC and plenty of witnesses to establish the truth of that question. The verifiable time lines eliminate any possibility that the Palin rumors could be true.

None of that is true in 0bama's case. It is still a wide open question.

39 posted on 01/14/2009 7:44:54 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: Deaf Smith

Any attempt to get barry to show his bc will be seen as desperate to the media especially the MSM and I doubt they would run the story.

They don’t really care about charity and an ultimatum like this would only cause them to continue to laugh at the issue.

The only way we are seeing his bc is through a warrant or having the million go to a health dept worker who can get the bc.


40 posted on 01/14/2009 8:10:17 PM PST by tenacious conservative
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To: TigersEye

If the real BC is rendered legally useless that’s the end of it. It might alter some public opinion but it would always be considered tin foil hat stuff at best.
***The only way to render the real BC useless is to alter it, and in this scenario someone is just copying it.


41 posted on 01/14/2009 8:52:46 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Kevmo
I specifically stated that I was speaking of the real BC being stolen so that was the scenario.

Now that we're talking about a heisted copy; that would be as useful as a menu from a restaurant in Beijing. The only way to prove the copy was a real copy would be the legal release of the original. Full circle back to where we are.

42 posted on 01/14/2009 9:44:06 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: TigersEye

Good enough. Anyone heisting the original would seemingly be rendering the document worthless, I agree. But copying the original & leaving the original in place would not necessarily render the original worthless because the “chain of custody” is not broken... And a copy would be worth more than a restaurant menu just like the inadmissible Monica Lewinsky tapes were valuable in their own right. No one ever proved they were “real”, they probably would not have been able to. They just used the information as leverage.


43 posted on 01/14/2009 9:59:20 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Deaf Smith
"We just need to Hawaii Gov to step up and be a Patriot, no matter what becomes of her afterward."

Oh, good grief. YOU want to see something that the law prevents you from seeing and you are simply asking the head of a state to break the law and make it available, regardless of what happens to her life and livelihood as a result of indulging your curiosity?

44 posted on 01/15/2009 7:10:48 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde

It worked for the Hildebeast and Sandy Burglar.


45 posted on 01/15/2009 7:20:24 AM PST by Deaf Smith
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You do remember all the cases of FBI files that the Hildebeast had stashed in the White House?
46 posted on 01/15/2009 8:25:14 AM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: Deaf Smith

Yes, I do. What does that have to do with the Governor of Hawaii illegally releasing a document?


47 posted on 01/15/2009 8:28:54 AM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: JustaDumbBlonde; Deaf Smith; Kevmo; knew it all the time

You said — “Oh, good grief. YOU want to see something that the law prevents you from seeing and you are simply asking the head of a state to break the law and make it available, regardless of what happens to her life and livelihood as a result of indulging your curiosity?”

And some posters wonder why I’m laughing at some of these ideas and their “antics”... it does show a complete *disconnect* from the reality of life, that’s for sure...

I prefer some “real life” methodologies — like the state of Oklahoma is doing, in getting a law through the legislature, requiring specific documentation proving the requirements of the Constitution have been met, regarding the office of President of the United States.

I’m supporting that piece of legislation here. Now, that’s a lot more productive and it *will* get something done (in real life, doncha know...)...


48 posted on 01/15/2009 11:05:12 AM PST by Star Traveler
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"... like the state of Oklahoma is doing, in getting a law through the legislature, requiring specific documentation proving the requirements of the Constitution have been met, ..."

That is the direction that I'd like to see much of this energy go ... something that will repair an obvious hole in the system.

There was another hot button topic here on FR that I won't mention specifically, but there are endless threads with thousands of responses each. The regular posters on that topic love to scream, demand, and pound their keyboards as they call certain folks murderers and depict a conspiracy which reminds me particularly of these eligibility threads.

On these threads I have asked many times what each of the posters has actually done to change the laws ... to make a difference the next time around. I never get an answer, so I will assume that they have done nothing. Yet they continue to gripe and accuse, on that case and others like it.

When there has been injustice, you can put your energies not only into an attempt to cure that particular injustice, but trying to do what you can to prevent a similar injustice in the future. That changes things ... that does some good. Endlessly perpetuating unfounded claims and making ridiculous demands and continuing conspiracy theories makes for long and argumentative threads, but little else.

I hope that Oklahomans will be successful in their endeavors with regard to this matter. I applaude the effort. I should really do some research on what is being done in Louisiana to accomplish the same result.

49 posted on 01/15/2009 12:03:01 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (America: Home of the Free Because of the Brave)
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To: Star Traveler

I prefer some “real life” methodologies — like the state of Oklahoma is doing, in getting a law through the legislature, requiring specific documentation proving the requirements of the Constitution have been met, regarding the office of President of the United States.
***You work your side of the street, troll, and we’ll work ours. Anything you’ve been working on have the potential to knock out Obama within the next week? no. Then get out of the way of those are working on something that exigent.


50 posted on 01/15/2009 12:12:57 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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