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"A pervasive web of falsehood" ( Pepperdine Prof. confronts Catholic bloggers on abortion & Obama )
California Catholic Daily ^ | January 14, 2009 | staff

Posted on 01/14/2009 3:08:26 PM PST by kellynla

Washington, DC, Jan. 13, 2009 (CNA) -- In his first lengthy article explaining his position after the election of President Barack Obama, Pepperdine University Professor Douglas Kmiec is accusing “right wing Catholic bloggers" of distorting his position, attacking him personally, and potentially poisoning the relationship between the Holy See and the future administration of President Barack Obama.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: abortion; catholicism; kmiec; leftist; obama; obamatransitionfile; prolife; religiousleft
Going back to his criticism of Catholic bloggers, Kmiec writes that “the scurrilous remarks of conservative bloggers missed the point, which was that I and millions of others who voted for Obama did so not despite our Catholic faith but because of it.”

Say what? I hope for Kmiec's sake, he doesn't try that reasoning when he faces his Maker. And, as long as clowns like Kmiec continue to support, vote for & elect pro-abortionists; the unborn will continue to be murdered and this country will continue to decline in immorality!
1 posted on 01/14/2009 3:08:27 PM PST by kellynla
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To: Salvation; NYer; narses; A.A. Cunningham

ping


2 posted on 01/14/2009 3:08:56 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
Nevertheless, Professor Kmiec says he takes solace in the fact that “blogs have not closed the mind of the new president and, like Lincoln, he bears ‘malice toward none’ and manifests ‘charity for all.’”

Clearly a trueBeliever.

I don't know this guy from Adam, but I can surely see that he's been stung and is definitely in "victim" mode.

Unfortunately, that doesn't change the reality that we have a president who thinks pregnancy is "punishment," when it's the result of recreational intercourse; and an administration that concurs. People like Prof. Kmeic helped make that happen.

3 posted on 01/14/2009 3:15:58 PM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: All
Nevertheless, Professor Kmiec says he takes solace in the fact that “blogs have not closed the mind of the new president and, like Lincoln, he bears ‘malice toward none’ and manifests ‘charity for all.’”

"charity for all" except the unborn...and this clown is a "professor" at Pepperdine...with clowns like this teaching, it's no wonder we have an entire population of "educated fools!"
4 posted on 01/14/2009 3:16:10 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla
I read about this one philosopher who said he could stand before God and tell Him why he didn't believe in him. Like Hey! You're standing in front of Him and you're saying THAT???

Same type of guy here .... these people are scary and they're supporting someone who has the keys to the nukes and is patently the head of the most powerful nation in the world.

5 posted on 01/14/2009 3:16:45 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: kellynla
Going back to his criticism of Catholic bloggers, Kmiec writes that “the scurrilous remarks of conservative bloggers missed the point, which was that I and millions of others who voted for Obama did so not despite our Catholic faith but because of it.”

This "religious leader" thinks that taking people's money by force for "the greater good" is equivalent to an act of charity. What it really constitutes is an act of covetousness and theft designed to make himself feel better.

I pray that someday, soon, these geniuses will actually read the Bible for what it says, and not continue spouting what they are told it implies.

6 posted on 01/14/2009 3:18:40 PM PST by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to manage by central planning.)
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To: kellynla
The bishops, having stated clearly their opposition to FOCA -- and rightly so -- should not allow the right wing to obscure what Obama shares with the church: concern for the poor; support for the average family; a commitment to ending an unjust war; and respect for our environment.”

Oh, I get it. The bishops disagree with Hussein on abortion, but they agree perhaps with four other broad goals. Hussein wins 4-1, the bishops should support him. Not.

7 posted on 01/14/2009 3:18:57 PM PST by Jacquerie (Islam is a barbaric social and political system in religious drag.)
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To: kellynla
I do not, for the life of me,
understand how one can stand in a
position of trust within the Catholic Church
and be in direct disobedience from:

1: Longstanding Catholic Tradition
2: Direct, unequivocal leadership of the Pope, and
3: Clear Biblical teaching

And STILL call themselves Catholic
Whatever they are, it is not Catholic

And this coming from one raised in a long Protestant tradition...

8 posted on 01/14/2009 3:19:11 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: kellynla

Ya know, everything we’re about to go through was pretty much foreordained the day the country accepted abortion on demand. There wasn’t any going back after that, we were officially a godless, heathen, pagan nation, like those God ordered the Israelites to destroy, due to our sexual immoralities and infanticide and worship in the high places.

America’s chickens, are comin’ home, to roooooost-ah!


9 posted on 01/14/2009 3:21:51 PM PST by ichabod1 (Change is not a destination, Hope is not a strategy)
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To: Jacquerie

0 is no better than the lowest abortionist.


10 posted on 01/14/2009 3:23:07 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing! I'm a doctor, and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: HangnJudge
They can be catholic, just not Roman Catholic. And, he can call himself whatever he wants, but he excommunicates himself, ipso facto by his public statemenets.
11 posted on 01/14/2009 3:24:53 PM PST by ichabod1 (Change is not a destination, Hope is not a strategy)
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To: kellynla

It was the part about the faithful falling away over there in The Revelation of St. John ~ guess he thought he had a duty to do that eh?!


12 posted on 01/14/2009 3:25:09 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: kellynla
And those were all in a single paragraph! Such highly concentrated rhetorical venom is not calculated to invite discussion.”

And there is something that else that doesn't invite discussion. Abortion not only doesn't "invite" discussion. It kills discussion--with a million would be American souls every year.

Kmiec is a an intellectual whore.

--With full apologies to honest, working prostitutes.
13 posted on 01/14/2009 3:25:56 PM PST by farmer18th (If I weren't so extremely intelligent, people would mistake me for George Clooney)
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To: ichabod1
he excommunicates himself, ipso facto by his public statements.

I understand that statement
Whatever I've learned of being Catholic
Has been gleaned from 15+ years of being
a Godfather to a Catholic boy.

It's been an honor, and quite an education

14 posted on 01/14/2009 3:29:03 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: kellynla
I can only be grateful my tuition dollars are not going to Pepperdine. There is no possible way a Catholic could defend Obama. Obama supports murdering innocents.
15 posted on 01/14/2009 3:29:45 PM PST by Neverforget01
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To: kellynla

The creature Kmiec can get bent.


16 posted on 01/14/2009 3:32:26 PM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: kellynla

Wonder what the left wing “Catholics” had to say about Hitler and how many of them voted for Hitler. The similarity is uncanny. One promoted the murder of millions of innocent people; the other promotes the murder of millions of innocent people. If you support a murderer, then you cannot say you are pro-life.


17 posted on 01/14/2009 3:34:11 PM PST by DallasDeb
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To: kellynla
... potentially poisoning the relationship between the Holy See and the future administration of President Barack Obama ...

I would assume that Obama has already done that through his un-Christian stances:

Barack Obama on Abortion
Undecided on whether life begins at conception. (Apr 2008)
Rated 100% by NARAL on pro-choice votes in 2005, 2006 & 2007. (Jan 2008)
Voted against banning partial birth abortion. (Oct 2007)
Trust women to make own decisions on partial-birth abortion. (Apr 2007)
Extend presumption of good faith to abortion protesters. (Oct 2006)
Constitution is a living document; no strict constructionism. (Oct 2006)
Moral accusations from pro-lifers are counterproductive. (Oct 2004)
Pass the Stem Cell Research Bill. (Jun 2004)
Protect a woman’s right to choose. (May 2004)
Opposed born-alive treatment law because it was already law. (Oct 2008)
Supports Roe v. Wade. (Jul 1998)
Voted NO on defining unborn child as eligible for SCHIP. (Mar 2008)
Voted NO on prohibiting minors crossing state lines for abortion. (Mar 2008)
Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Rated 0% by the NRLC, indicating a pro-choice stance. (Dec 2006)

Obama doesn't need help to poison the relationship between himself and any moral person.

18 posted on 01/14/2009 3:36:25 PM PST by MathDoc (Don't blame me, I voted for Governor Palin and the wrinkly white-haired guy)
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To: kellynla
Nevertheless, Professor Kmiec says he takes solace in the fact that “blogs have not closed the mind of the new president and, like Lincoln, he bears ‘malice toward none’ and manifests ‘charity for all.’”

It is scary the false hope people have in this small minded man. Nothing ever in his life shows evidence that he offers anything different than any other run of the mill liberal politician. Yet somehow people see this unique gift never seen before in mortal man.

19 posted on 01/14/2009 3:37:26 PM PST by ilgipper
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To: HangnJudge

Isaiah 5:20

Woe to them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light, and light for darkness; that put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!

Proverbs 17:15

He that justifieth the wicked, and he that condemneth the just, even they both are abomination to the LORD.

Doesnt look like safe ground to tread to me....

Just sayin’

*grin*


20 posted on 01/14/2009 3:37:36 PM PST by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....http://falconparty.com/)
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To: kellynla

I’ve grown long weary of anti-war arguments being dressed up as something else.

If you want socialism but you want it to be officially sanctioned by the US Government, then just say so. If you want to have illegal immigration unfetted and are willing to overlook 1.4M abortions each year as the price, then just say so.

But making legalistic remarks about how Obama is ‘different’ when you can’t point to a single legal piece he has ever seen, written or edited which points to another remotely ‘different’ about The One. I’ve yet to see anything about Obama which is different in a legal sense. So without evidence, I have to continue to believe that

Kmiec is either self-deluded or he is continuing to lie about his real defection from reality.


21 posted on 01/14/2009 3:41:22 PM PST by bpjam (GOP is 3 - 0 in elections after Nov 4th. You Can Smell the Rally !!!)
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To: Crim
Doesnt look like safe ground to tread to me....

Gosh, that sounds so -— Calvinist
Nice job quoting scripture

That's what Jesus did when he chose to confront the
Powers and Principalities of His day (and this one)

22 posted on 01/14/2009 3:45:10 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: kellynla

The Catholic leader is a Gollum.


23 posted on 01/14/2009 3:47:01 PM PST by stockpirate (To each according to their needs, (bailout) from each according to their ability(bailout funds))
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To: kellynla
Good Lord, what a drama queen.

“A hate-filled blogosphere,” argues Kmiec, after defending the sincerity of Obama’s religious beliefs, “feeds a politics of odium, misleading people of faith and good will, diminishing and at times obliterating our ability to know one another.”...“Sadly, neighbor-love is not what has overwhelmed my in-box since my Obama endorsement. Instead, right-wing blogs and their readers have launched missiles of hate, delivering ad hominem invective of an astonishing vehemence and crassness.”

The anti-Christian half of the blogosphere, with its pathological abomination of religion and its vocabulary of "Xtian," "Jeebus," "fundie," etc., is far more warped with hatred. But they left poor widdle Dougie alone, so they're okay.

Professor Kmiec later laments in his essay that “to be remade by a hateful blogosphere has its price, I’ve learned. I worry that such invitations to speak at Catholic colleges, and the fruitful exchanges these invitations make possible, will be fewer.”

One would hope! Catholic institutions are not supposed to support abortion, ever, ever, ever.

“One member,” he says of the U.S. hierarchy, “whom I greatly admire has renounced our past association, writing, ‘We are not friends, professor,’ and answering my invocation of Christian brotherhood with a curt retort: ‘I do see you as a brother in Christ -- a brother who is serving an evil end.’...Kmiec doesn’t reserve blame to “right wing” Catholic bloggers alone. In his essay, he says a role were played by “unfortunate remarks,” like the ones of Archbishop Raymond Burke calling the Democratic Party “the party of death,”

Truth hurts, sonny.

Kmiec also confesses that when America magazine blogger Michael Sean Winters speculated that the Obama administration might name him as ambassador to the Holy See, he was “flattered” and started seriously thinking about the possibility....But he claims that “neither God nor the president-elect had an opportunity to answer before the blogs were recycling their various calumnies, and adding now an anonymous voice allegedly saying ‘it would never happen.’”

Overwhelming narcissism and self-pity is a really unpleasant combination.

24 posted on 01/14/2009 3:51:22 PM PST by denydenydeny (If pigs could vote, the man with the slop bucket would be elected swineherd every time-OS Card)
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To: stockpirate

Kmiec is about as “Catholic” as my cat!


25 posted on 01/14/2009 3:51:55 PM PST by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: HangnJudge

Oh that wasnt direct at you...more for pro-choice catholics like Biden ....sorry for any confusion...


26 posted on 01/14/2009 3:54:18 PM PST by Crim (Dont frak with the Zeitgeist....http://falconparty.com/)
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he bears ‘malice toward none’ and manifests ‘charity for all.’”

Unless you're an unborn baby, aka a punishment, in utero or you survive an abortion, then "the messiah" bears plenty of malice and no charity towards you.

27 posted on 01/14/2009 3:59:10 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham
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To: Crim
sorry for any confusion...

None apology needed,
and sorry for the confusion on my part

I was just having fun
with this far too serious subject.

In the tradition under which I was raised,
being accused of Calvinism
is a high compliment :^)

28 posted on 01/14/2009 3:59:44 PM PST by HangnJudge
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To: MathDoc

Thank you for the list.

How do you see Kmiec’s position and reasoning?

Does he not ignore the plain words of the commandment: “Thou shalt not kill?”

How can any Christian justify such a position?


29 posted on 01/14/2009 4:16:19 PM PST by AmericanVictory
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To: kellynla
Hey Dougie.....God does NOT like his GIFTS to be returned UNOPENED!!

Obama will NOT fake out the POPE, buddy.

30 posted on 01/14/2009 4:19:22 PM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion.....The Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience)
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To: kellynla

The serpent speaks.


31 posted on 01/14/2009 4:19:22 PM PST by RedRedRose
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To: kellynla
Sounds like the kid who murders his parents because he loved them - then asks the court to have mercy on him because he is an orphan.

To Kmiec, whatever your beliefs, DO NOT CLAIM THEY ARE CATHOLIC. Murder is a sin; abortion is murder. Ergo, ipso facto, and you and 0bambi can slice it anyway you want, abortion is a sin. Knowingly committing a sin - and not be repentant - is a one way ticket to damnation.

Not my rule, it's God's rule.

32 posted on 01/14/2009 4:20:05 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; justiceseeker93; ..
Pepperdine University Professor Douglas Kmiec is accusing "right wing Catholic bloggers" of distorting his position, attacking him personally, and potentially poisoning the relationship between the Holy See and the future administration of President Barack Obama.
...y'know, because Kmiec and his false messiah are one.
33 posted on 01/14/2009 5:19:40 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: MathDoc

Thanks for the summary.

Any man who wants to be our President and says “it’s above my paygrade to know when life begins” ....... should never be considered. He sounds just like those black robed judges in their Roe v Wade case.


34 posted on 01/14/2009 5:20:35 PM PST by victim soul
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To: victim soul

Victim, see my tagline.....

I don’t care what your beliefs are or who you are there is only this fact-

The Ends NEVER justify the means, no matter how small the means or how great the ends. period.

These assclowns may have to wait until judgement day to get their reward, but justice delayed is NOT justice denied. Maybe someday the scales will fall from their eyes, but, then again, maybe not.......


35 posted on 01/14/2009 6:02:11 PM PST by wombtotomb (since its "above his paygrade", why can't we err on the side of caution about when life begins?)
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To: kellynla

Dougie, no REAL Catholic voted for Obama, only CAtholics in Name Only like you voted for him. Go to Confession and then repent and amend your ways. (And you just might be able to receive Communion again!)


36 posted on 01/14/2009 9:53:43 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: HangnJudge

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2164613/posts?page=36#36


37 posted on 01/14/2009 9:55:55 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: MathDoc
[Obama]Opposed born-alive treatment law because it was already law. (Oct 2008)

That one really sticks in my craw - Obama's claim that he opposed born-alive infant protection "because it was already law."

That is such a freaking lie.

The Illinois law he claims "already" protects these babies uses the same weasel-word language as Roe v. Wade, i.e., the concept of "viability."

What this means is, if the born-alive aborted baby is not deemed "viable" --by the abortionist-- then in the eyes of that law, the baby deserves no medical assistance or even comfort-care!

Obama even admitted that a bill calling for a second doctor's opinion on "viability" of the born-alive child would put "too heavy a burden" --on the abortionist!

38 posted on 01/14/2009 10:41:39 PM PST by shhrubbery! (Dear media: Palin is pure as Alaska snow - it's OBAMA who was "NEVER VETTED" !)
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To: kellynla
Pepperdine University Professor Douglas Kmiec is accusing “right wing Catholic bloggers" of distorting his position...

There is no need to distort Obama's position. He stated that knowning when life began was above his pay grade. He has been a tenacious advocate for abortions. Put those 2 together and one can only arrive at the conclusion that since he admits he doesn't know when life begins and yet strongly fights to abort babies, even if they may be human by his own defintion, then one can only conclude that Obama is evil. That's not a distortion...that is taking Obama at his word and at his actions.

39 posted on 01/15/2009 1:39:53 AM PST by highlander_UW (The only difference between the MSM and the DNC is the MSM sells ad space in their propaganda)
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To: kellynla; Dr. Sivana; ArrogantBustard; ninenot; Mr. Silverback; AnAmericanMother
Kmiec needs four things to ply his trade: , "customers," a mattress, a portable red light and a sack of quarters. OR as John Wayne once said of Richard Nixon: Give him a striped silk shirt and some piano lessons and he could work any room in the house.

If Kmiec (once a professor at Catholic University waaaaay back when he was still Catholic or at least appeared to be) wants to spread disinformation on Catholic campuses to the effect that it is even possible to remain Catholic while sucking up to Hussein Obambi, the baby-killer queen, for political patronage or otherwise, well, Dougie, thanks but no thanks and any priest with spine will deny you the sacraments as well.

If Dougie were appointed US Ambassador to the Vatican, his credentials should be refused by Pope Benedict XVI. Just getting warmed up for four more years of active duty in the right wing blogosphere. Being on offense is a lot more fun than being on defense.

40 posted on 01/15/2009 11:18:33 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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