Skip to comments.Obama to End Military's 'Don't Ask, Don't Tell' Policy
Posted on 01/14/2009 5:30:07 PM PST by Recovering_Democrat
WASHINGTON President-elect Barack Obama will allow gays to serve openly in the military by overturning the controversial "don't ask, don't tell" policy that marred President Clinton's first days in office, according to incoming White House Press Secretary Robert Gibbs.
The startling pronouncement, which could re-open a dormant battle in the culture wars and distract from other elements of Obama's agenda, came during a Gibbs exchange with members of the public who sent in questions that were answered on YouTube.
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...and some conservatives sit down, eat with him, and wish him well.
The end of the Republic cannot be far away.
I’ll be anxious to see what enlistment/re-enlistment numbers are under him.
Well, so much for all volunteer force...
Another lumbering step toward the abyss of politically correct, morally relative socialism. Brought to you by the anointed one.
Sad. Pathetic. Dangerous.
don’t know if the admin wants to bring these two together
Probably not very high.
If he reinstates the draft, and it looks like I’ll be called up, I’m running to the Navy to do EOD.
But Hey.. Obama knows better than anyone right?
Brooks, Will, and Kristol aren't conservative. They're beltway neocon elitists.
From now on it’s, “If They Ask, You Gotta...”
Still pi$$ed at how cavalierly he put on a USMC tee shirt and acted like he was just one of the guys shooting hoops.
Of course this scumbag did not campaign with this issue out in the open, like an honest candidate — no, he waits until after the election to spring this on the public..... just watch, we will also “learn” at some point that he has reconsidered his (dishonest) opposition to “gay marriage” — suddenly we will find the Demagogues shoving “gay marriage” at us all over the place, even though most had pretended they do not support it.
Obama is a comprehensive leftist, a true socialist ideologue who merely pretends to an occasional moderation to maintain his electoral “viability”...... he will push every leftist cause he thinks he can inflict upon us.
One of them made the mistake of trying to hit on another airman when his discharge was going through.. He was treated for his injuries later on that night. The guy who hit him.. got a Article 15... but he did not care.
A recent poll of active duty service members (sorry, I don't have the link) said that 10% would refuse reenlistment based on this alone.
I’m not startled, but concerned with the media’s portrayal of the Bible as wrong and things that are in the Bible as blatantly wrong as okay. Obama is only increasing the pace of the transition from good to evil.
Remember, the US military will be out of Iraq soon, and out of Afghanistan (for the most part) before midterm elections in 2010, per Obama. Then, Obama can make the cuts to the military that he really wants to make.
Yeah, but how many will have their military careers ruined if they say or do anything along those lines? The Obamanation will make sure that any "homophobic" (so called) remark will win a one-way ticket out of the military. Gays and their liberal sycophants will take over, just watch.
Welcome to Holland.
“Ill be anxious to see what enlistment/re-enlistment numbers are under him.”
They will be down. And the media will blame the military.
Hey, somebody needs to clear the mine feilds! Brings a whole new meaning to flaming!
OTOH, that may well be the point. Degrade the military to the point where it is disfunctional, or at least not as capable to fight and win wars. I don't know how that will go over with the electorate. Then again, I'm not sure I know the electorate anymore.
There. Fixed it.
There's some pretty tough lesbian Boatswain's Mates out there serving on aircraft carriers.
Wonder how it will affect enlsitments
ACU’s can hide a lot, but they can’t hide gayness.
I'm glad I'm not the only one to realize that.
This will not only hit the homosexual issue, but will make many of the current problems worse.
I was thinking about males.
Open homosexuality. Remember that Navy scandle Tail hook? Wait till the homos are roaming through the barracks and the liberals in congress have hearings blaming the Navy, like tailhook.
My question was never IF he was going to overturn it. My question was when.
This isn't the 1950s. Everybody already knows whose gay in the commands. Nobody is kicking their asses. Today's 18 year-old recruits don't see being gay as any big deal. For better or for worse, public education did its job. The typical recruit today has already seen friends, family members and co-workers come out of the closet. That's just the way it is these days. I can't imagine anyone is surprised by this.
This blows. My husband has always said he would not want to reenlist if gays were allowed to serve openly. But he only has 5 more years, so it is a waste not to stick it out.
“Retention numbers” just went way the hell south. Maybe Obama wants an army that can “swish in” and take care of real problems - like decorating questions and the like.
Defer to you by virtue of your experience. I certainly hope you are correct.
The Jihadi’s will be full of resolve. Hey, they would be right on this issue.
Everybody does. The reality is that when talking about "gays in the military", we're really talking about lesbians. I'd say at least 75%-90% of all the gays serving in today's military are lesbians. Face it, military life just isn't that appealing to prancing, lisping effeminate men. Butch, masculine lesbians, on the other hand, find the rigors of military life just what they're looking for and line up in droves to serve. They are the ones getting kicked out for being gay. They are the ones who will be able to serve openly when this policy changes (even though, in many cases, their individual sexuality has been no secret).
I've done carrier deployments and I could tell you some stories...
well I served until recently and still have many friends in and know of not one who supports this and I talked to one guy to night who is waiting to be deployed
If that is the case then I am getting the hell out.
I said this on another Post but my two sons wanted to follow in my footsteps ands they have said they will not join if it is the case
Good for him. I hope he has his draft board set up, because the volunteer service is now officially dead.
Perhaps there will be separate gay training platoons?
Would there then be all-gay units?
What is Zero thinking? That a ‘drag show’ on the front lines will scare the enemy? /s
things must be different in the marines and combat role army then as I know of not one nor does anyone else and if they did .
Lets out it this way they would not be around for long
Of course, I speak only of navy life. I haven't a clue what life is like in the other branches.
I remember reading a couple of years ago about the “homosexual agenda” to infiltrate government, including the military. I guess it’s working.
I have seen first-hand what the “gay mafia” has done on our nation’s campuses (just about all of them now). They want to do to the military what they have done to campus life everywhere.
FYI, the article below may seem “off topic” but this describes what life will be like once that gay mafia is given as much control over the military as they have long had over our academic institutions.
The incidents described below happened in the ‘80s, but this is just a preview of what the Andrew Sullivans of the world have in store for everyone in our military. I knew some of the people involved with the c-r-a-p described below and will never forget about it. Don’t dare speak or act in any way that could ever be construed as unsupportive of the gay activist agenda, or they will go to the ends of the earth to try to ruin your life:
‘I Hope the FDO Has Learned Something...’ [Harvard student driven to suicide by campus gay mafia]
Published On Friday, January 24, 1986 12:00 AM
By LAURIE BURNHAM
The following piece was submitted as a letter to the editors, and concerns the recent suicide of a Harvard freshman. After receiving the letter, The Crimson offered Dean of the College L. Fred Jewett ‘57 and Dean of Freshman Henry C. Moses an opportunity to respond to comments concerning Harvard’s interaction with the freshman. The officials declined the offer. (A news story related to the case appears on Page One.)
A friend of mine died Monday, January 6, 1986. He walked out the front door of his house, walked to a nearby field, and shot himself in the heart. He was only 18 and a freshman at Harvard. He was also the nicest guy in the world.
Sam was the last of nine children in his family to go to college; the first to come to Harvard. He came here to play football and to get the best education he could. His brothers teased him when he left in September, said he’d come back all uppity, but I’m sure they were proud of him. Sam couldn’t be uppity. He wasn’t that type of guy. He was too nice for one thing. His father once told him that he was even too nice to play football—”one has to be mean on the field,” he said. Sam’s reply was, “Dad, I can be mean during the game, I just can’t be mean in real life.” That was pretty accurate. Sam was lovable and caring and fun, and I thought he was the greatest.
Unfortunately, he got into trouble at Harvard just before Christmas and the people at the Freshman Dean’s Office didn’t like what he’d done. It happened in the Freshman Union one night during dinner. Seats were scarce and Sam was eating near a table that had a reserve sign on one end of it. Some of the people sitting there got up to leave, and newcomers to the dinning hall were looking for places to sit. Sam reacted by getting up, taking the reserve sign off the table, and setting it up on a nearby garbage can. As he explained to me later, he just didn’t think it fair that empty seats were reserved when others needed them. It was a gut reaction...and Sam did it without thinking.
Unfortunately, it didn’t really register that the group reserving the table was the Harvard Gay and Lesbian Students Association, and that they might not be pleased to see a hulking football player walk over and remove their sign. They immediately protested; one guy grabbed him, and a senior adviser demanded his bursar’s card. Sam just stood there, bewildered and amazed at all the fuss. He didn’t fight back, he didn’t raise his voice, he didn’t say anything obscene. He was just a small town kid reacting to what he perceived was an injustice in the seating system. His purpose was not to make a political statement against the GLSA. If it had been he certainly could have picked a different time and place. Tragically, what Sam didn’t know at the time was that the GLSA had been harassed on many occasions at Harvard and wanted formal recognition of their grievances; and that this was no ordinary meeting, but one that had been arranged through the Freshman Dean’s Office. To make matters worse, the Dean of Freshman had been eating there himself shortly before this happened.
How did the Freshman Dean’s Office respond? According to Sam, they harassed him. It wasn’t enough to call him in for a talk. His senior adviser questioned his motives and frightened him by talking about punishment possibilities, including expulsion. The Dean of Freshmen pushed him to the brink of tears. In Sam’s eyes no one in the FDO ever gave him the benefit of the doubt, or even questioned that maybe he’d made an innocent blunder. Instead, they questioned his motives and analyzed him and made him feel very badly. Sam’s willingness to apologize, and even his desire to send a letter of apology to the GLSA apparently had little impact. No one would say that Sam was unconcerned about the issue. The FDO knew he was tormented; he was there every day trying to explain himself, but it didn’t seem to matter. The Dean said they couldn’t take that into consideration, students are always upset in these cases.
The Dean of Freshmen told me that they did believe his intentions were good. “We all know Sam’s a nice guy,” he said. “But his intent doesn’t matter. We judged him according to his action.” When I asked exactly what Sam was guilty of he replied that he was rude and disruptive.
The motives of the FDO are unclear. They said they did what they felt was right. But it bothers me very much that an office full of people whose job it is to look after freshmen and understand them—should react as they did in this case. They acknowledged that they knew a lot about Sam. They knew that Sam’s father died in an auto accident a year ago, and that Sam was extremely upset by this. They knew he couldn’t tell his mother about his troubles because it would break her heart. They knew that he was a deeply religious and very moral young man, who was not in the habit of beating up on others. I believe they also knew that three of his brothers are graduates of military academies, and live according to a code of honor and duty. Yesterday the Dean said he didn’t really think Sam was trying to make a statement against the GLSA, but that his behavior in the Union was nonetheless inappropriate.
So the FDO told Sam they were recommending that he be put on disciplinary probation (which leaves a permanent mark on one’s record) and submitted this recommendation to the Ad Board. Two days before Sam left for Christmas the University sentenced him with probation. And sent him, a local hero from upstate New York, home in disgrace after his first semester at Harvard—for something he didn’t really do.
Sam may have had other problems I don’t know about. He probably did. But it was up to the FDO to find out about these, and to think about the consequences of their disciplinary action. I’m not saying that what Sam did in the Union was right. It wasn’t. What I am saying is that Sam was one heck of a wonderful guy and in no way deserved the punishment that the FDO showered upon him. No one, guilty or not, deserved this kind of treatment the week before Christmas.
Sam can never be replaced, and a part of him shall always be out with me, reminding me of the fragility of life, and the need to look out for others. I hope the FDO has learned something from this, that Sam’s life may not have gone to waste. The next time someone gets into trouble at Harvard, perhaps some administrator will take the time to get to know that person a little better, and think hard about his or her motives before passing judgement.
Laurie Burnham was Sam Burke’s section leader in Science B-15, “Evolutionary Biology.” She is a resident tutor in Lowell House.
He’s probably “on the down low” himself.
The socialists don’t want us to have a military. Between acts like this, and the upcoming budget reductions, they’ll be well on their way to achieving that goal.
Well, I’m glad I’m out.
Mark my words, soon there will be homosexuals living in base housing with their “partners” based on either a civil union or marriage certificate. When that happens, expect a BIG exodus from the military. God fearing men & women make up a very larger percentage of the force and they won’t be subjected to this. They will vote with their feet.
Maybe its all part of O’s plan?