Posted on 01/15/2009 5:50:05 AM PST by markomalley
Climate change is a buzzword of the 21st century. We are so much more attuned to our environment and the need to save it now, or lose it forever.
That includes controlling so-called greenhouse gases, such as carbon-based gases, from entering our atmosphere where they threaten to raise the temperature globally. The Arctic and Antarctic are melting, and Greenland is becoming more and more green.
We are now prompted to look at government policies to effect climate change to prevent these things from happening, now that the science has proven the greenhouse effect is valid.
Or is it?
The Russian Pravda newspaper online reported this week that the Earth is on the brink of entering another Ice Age from what it called a large and compelling body of evidence from within the field of climate science. It seems Earths weather patterns are cyclic, and another cycle is ready to begin.
The new data indicate that the warm, 12,000-year-long Holocene period will rather soon be coming to an end, and then the Earth will return to Ice Age conditions for the next 100,000 years. Aiding this theory is a study of ice cores, ocean sediment cores, the geologic record and studies of ancient plant and animal populations which demonstrate a regular cyclic pattern. Add to that the tilt of the Earth which varies over a 41,000 year period, the shape of the Earths orbit which changes over a period of 100,000 years, and the Earths wobble which gradually rotates the direction of the planets axis over a period of 26,000 years.
The Pravda article pans the current global warming theories by saying that supporters focus on evidence from only the past 1,000 years at most, while ignoring the evidence from the past million years evidence which is essential for a true understanding of climatology. Further, the global warming theory is based on data that is drawn from a ridiculously narrow span of time and it demonstrates a wanton disregard for the big picture of long-term climate change.
Now Western scientists were quick to dismiss the Russian report, saying it made some severe jumps in logic and was based on flawed interpretation of the data.
But who are we to believe?
Pravda notes that the winter of 2007-08 delivered the deepest snow cover to the Northern Hemisphere since 1966 and the coldest temperatures since 2001. And it notes that the current Northern Hemisphere winter of 2008-09 will probably equal or surpass the winter of 2007-08 for both snow depth and cold temperatures.
Given the number of below-zero days weve had since Thanksgiving, the snow cover and especially this week of tundra-like 20-plus below zero temperatures, we could argue the Ice Age has already come.
Where’s Al? I can’t find Al!
Wow!
Who knew?
Dangit. I was hoping the 'warmers' were on to something. There goes my orange grove...
You poor guys up North are really catching it. Don’t know that I would like all that SNOW AND ICE. ICE AGE......yep, that’s what I’d call it.
We’ve been in an ice age for the last 4 million years or so.
What we’re about to enter is another glacial period, where glaciers expand towards the equator.
The last one started about 60,000 years ago. It ended about 10,000 years ago, just before recorded history begins.
All of Pelosi and obama’s plans to tax us (scam us) for global warming are on the front burner. Thanks algore.
Flat out lie as of the very first sentence.
The buzzword is “global warming”.
But since they didn’t have enough concrete evidence to support that, they tweaked it to be “climate change”.
After somebody starts off the way this guy does, he could tell me “the sky is blue” and I would doubt it.
At least let’s get our facts straight, folks. Journalism is supposed to be un-opinionated.
So, what's the first stage of the next period going to be like if there's not going to be massive ice build up right away? Well, it's going to be dry ~ not exactly desert like, but drier than average ~ enough so that we see near desert areas turning into real desert, and grasslands turning to near desert, and deciduous forests reverting to coniferous forests.
That'll all take hundreds of years.
In areas with existing glaciers, there'll be expansion of the area of coverage ~ won't be any more snow than usual, but that which falls won't melt away in the Summer.
Baffin Island is the place we want to watch ~ that's where the fastest, biggest glacial build-up will occur that's going to affect the Midwest. I think you'd want to be real concerned when a lobe of the Baffin Island glacier lurches down toward Toledo.
After the hot summer we experienced in TX I would welcome an ice age !!!!!
It won’t really matter whether it’s global warming, climate change, or a coming ice age -
those doing the fear mongering always have the same solution:
Global Socialism
As I told someone recently regarding global warming -
If there were any people “worried” about it that WEREN’T socialists, I might listen to them.
You might want to read the entire article.
Could they be “talking their book,” which consists of lots of heating fuel?
They're still sorting the "end of the Ice Age" stuff out, but the part to watch is ocean height. For most of the time Florida is one massive chunk of property as is Southeast Asia.
The burner goes out with the first sign of a Fimbul Winter (that’s where there’s no Summer ~ just year round Winter).
The burner goes out with the first sign of a Fimbul Winter (that’s where there’s no Summer ~ just year round Winter).
Nobody. They can't accurately predict the weather from day to day. Next weeks are even more uncertain. They've been wrong before, they'll be wrong again.
There's some consolation in them predicting a new ice age. Last time they did it, it got warmer.
Well, hey fellow NoDak, it was -39 this morning. Pheasants tried following me into the shop this morning while I was getting feed for the animals.
Did you let the pheasants in?
She is a year old husky/something mix that absolutely loves the snow. We call her Yenta (her name) the snow dog, yet even she does not want to go out. It was around 20 below (real temp) when we got up this morning.
I WANT SOME GLOBAL WARMING!!!
I don't blame them! (Hey, fatten them up...!)
It was a balmy -31 when I fired up the hypothermia wagon and headed out for the wellsite in the 'banana belt'--only -20 down here!
The local Wal-Mart's garden section has a population of roughly a hundred little birds who have learned to open the outside doors by flying through the beam, and who regularly dine on the bird seed spilled in there.
I haven't seen many critters out in the open though, the snow pack has got to be rough on them.
LOL!! Dude, read the article.
I can’t remember.
Does global warming cause global cooling or does global cooling cause global warming?
Algore or your own lying eyes...while freezing your butt off shoveling snow...again?
Our Wal-Mart has been closed for the last three days as they are afraid it may collapse from all the snow on it. They’re still trying to figure out a way to remove the snow.
There is no news in the truth and no truth in the news. Or something to that effect. Pravda isn't exactly chalk full of veritas.
I have a long 2X, I just need to figure out how to get it out of the garage...old flip-up style garage doors don't work well with 4' drifts in front...
The vehicles stay plugged in outside.
I’m more likely to believe Pravda than the NY Slimes...
Just like Dems and RINO's. A pox on both their Houses.
Though in fact the winters are now colder and the summers are now hotter than ever before. We’re also experiencing more hurricanes and cyclones.
Is this a set-up to get FReepers to defend Pravda?
I wonder how many will fail to see who is printing this article.
Realistically since most FReepers tend to believe that whatever the oppositve Pravda says must be true, they just convinced a bumch of right-wing nuts that climate change must be happening.
My parents met at Minot AFB (both from far sides of the country). If I ever whined about it being cold in CT, I’d get the ‘You should be happy you don’t live in Minot. I remember ... ‘ line.
I have no idea how you people in NoDak survive in this kind of weather.
Imho, i don’t quite believe Al Gore has it right.
He doesn’t understand Mother Nature
“I have no idea how you people in NoDak survive in this kind of weather.”
Part of it is mind set(I also wish I had stock in Carhartt). We seem to have almost a masochistic glee when the weather reaches a lethal degree. On the other hand we don’t have a homeless problem. If you don’t have a home/shelter you’re dead. We don’t have a gangbanger problem either, it’s hard to roam the streets when your BK’s will freeze to the pavement.
I love it.
Bingo. It doesn't matter what the issue is, it's the crisis that the socialists are looking to foment, rather it's warming, cooling, intergalactic asteroids or invasions from Mars.
I have noticed that he has been hunkered down this fall and winter
We keep warm! (8^D) LOL!
It isn't hard when you walked barefoot through chin deep snow in fifty below weather five miles uphill (both ways!) to get to school, feeling for the edge of the road with your toes so you did not get lost in the white-out...(etc.)--And that was kindergarden!
Actually, my wife is Chippewa, and we were just talking the other day about how people survived this sort of weather in the 'old days'. (They went south, found a sheltered spot, and spent the good weather preparing for the bad.) Now, they were tough.
Even the old homesteader's shacks, 10X10, dominated by a cookstove, a bed, maybe a couple of chairs and a table, would have been a trial for anyone, much less a young couple during the winter.
We truly stand on the shoulders of giants. (It's the only way to see over the snowdrifts!)
>>>My parents met at Minot AFB (both from far sides of the country). If I ever whined about it being cold in CT, Id get the You should be happy you dont live in Minot. I remember ... line.
I have no idea how you people in NoDak survive in this kind of weather.<<<
C’mon up here to the edge of the treeline, where we just went through the 17 days of -40 below or colder. And where the first frost of the fall last year was on Aug. 19. Dang, we were hoping that global warming was real enough to allow us a chance to grow tomatoes outside. *sigh*
Shame it’s not true. The summers are not hotter, and the winters are not colder. There is also not a spike in hurricane activity. Check some actual facts. I can recommend some books if you like.
This may be the first time that Pravda (Truth) has lived up to its name.
But it warmed up real nice later in the day.
It was -7 at 2:30 this afternoon.
He's a democrat.
He doesnt understand much of anything.
He's out chasing...
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