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No global warming, Ice Age here
Bemidji Pioneer ^ | 1/15/2009

Posted on 01/15/2009 5:50:05 AM PST by markomalley

“Climate change” is a buzzword of the 21st century. We are so much more attuned to our environment and the need to save it now, or lose it forever.

That includes controlling so-called greenhouse gases, such as carbon-based gases, from entering our atmosphere where they threaten to raise the temperature globally. The Arctic and Antarctic are melting, and Greenland is becoming more and more green.

We are now prompted to look at government policies to effect climate change to prevent these things from happening, now that the science has proven the greenhouse effect is valid.

Or is it?

The Russian Pravda newspaper online reported this week that the Earth is on the brink of entering another Ice Age from what it called “a large and compelling body of evidence from within the field of climate science.” It seems Earth’s weather patterns are cyclic, and another cycle is ready to begin.

The new data indicate “that the warm, 12,000-year-long Holocene period will rather soon be coming to an end, and then the Earth will return to Ice Age conditions for the next 100,000 years.” Aiding this theory is a study of ice cores, ocean sediment cores, the geologic record and studies of ancient plant and animal populations which demonstrate a regular cyclic pattern. Add to that the tilt of the Earth which varies over a 41,000 year period, the shape of the Earth’s orbit which changes over a period of 100,000 years, and the Earth’s wobble which gradually rotates the direction of the planet’s axis over a period of 26,000 years.

The Pravda article pans the current global warming theories by saying that supporters “focus on evidence from only the past 1,000 years at most, while ignoring the evidence from the past million years — evidence which is essential for a true understanding of climatology.” Further, the global warming theory “is based on data that is drawn from a ridiculously narrow span of time and it demonstrates a wanton disregard for the ‘big picture’ of long-term climate change.”

Now Western scientists were quick to dismiss the Russian report, saying it made some severe jumps in logic and was based on flawed interpretation of the data.

But who are we to believe?

Pravda notes that the winter of 2007-08 delivered the deepest snow cover to the Northern Hemisphere since 1966 and the coldest temperatures since 2001. And it notes that the current Northern Hemisphere winter of 2008-09 “will probably equal or surpass the winter of 2007-08 for both snow depth and cold temperatures.”

Given the number of below-zero days we’ve had since Thanksgiving, the snow cover and especially this week of tundra-like 20-plus below zero temperatures, we could argue the Ice Age has already come.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government
KEYWORDS: climatechange; globalcooling; globalwarming
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1 posted on 01/15/2009 5:50:05 AM PST by markomalley
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To: markomalley

Where’s Al? I can’t find Al!


2 posted on 01/15/2009 5:52:56 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT
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To: markomalley
It seems Earth’s weather patterns are cyclic

Wow!

Who knew?

3 posted on 01/15/2009 5:54:24 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Izzy Dunne
Yeah. Thirty year cycle, and we are having winters here (North Dakota) like I haven't seen since the late '70s...

Dangit. I was hoping the 'warmers' were on to something. There goes my orange grove...

4 posted on 01/15/2009 5:56:44 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: markomalley

You poor guys up North are really catching it. Don’t know that I would like all that SNOW AND ICE. ICE AGE......yep, that’s what I’d call it.


5 posted on 01/15/2009 5:57:01 AM PST by nbhunt
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To: markomalley

We’ve been in an ice age for the last 4 million years or so.

What we’re about to enter is another glacial period, where glaciers expand towards the equator.

The last one started about 60,000 years ago. It ended about 10,000 years ago, just before recorded history begins.


6 posted on 01/15/2009 6:01:12 AM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: markomalley

All of Pelosi and obama’s plans to tax us (scam us) for global warming are on the front burner. Thanks algore.


7 posted on 01/15/2009 6:02:14 AM PST by Kirkwood
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To: markomalley
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

8 posted on 01/15/2009 6:02:44 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: markomalley

Flat out lie as of the very first sentence.

The buzzword is “global warming”.

But since they didn’t have enough concrete evidence to support that, they tweaked it to be “climate change”.

After somebody starts off the way this guy does, he could tell me “the sky is blue” and I would doubt it.

At least let’s get our facts straight, folks. Journalism is supposed to be un-opinionated.


9 posted on 01/15/2009 6:06:47 AM PST by djf (< Tagline closed until further notice. Awaiting bailout >)
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To: nbhunt
In general the period of maximum glaciation takes several tens of thousands of years to achieve ~ think about it, takes a lot of heat to evaporate all that ocean to make all that snow.

So, what's the first stage of the next period going to be like if there's not going to be massive ice build up right away? Well, it's going to be dry ~ not exactly desert like, but drier than average ~ enough so that we see near desert areas turning into real desert, and grasslands turning to near desert, and deciduous forests reverting to coniferous forests.

That'll all take hundreds of years.

In areas with existing glaciers, there'll be expansion of the area of coverage ~ won't be any more snow than usual, but that which falls won't melt away in the Summer.

Baffin Island is the place we want to watch ~ that's where the fastest, biggest glacial build-up will occur that's going to affect the Midwest. I think you'd want to be real concerned when a lobe of the Baffin Island glacier lurches down toward Toledo.

10 posted on 01/15/2009 6:06:47 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: markomalley

After the hot summer we experienced in TX I would welcome an ice age !!!!!


11 posted on 01/15/2009 6:07:47 AM PST by Kimmers
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To: Izzy Dunne

It won’t really matter whether it’s global warming, climate change, or a coming ice age -

those doing the fear mongering always have the same solution:

Global Socialism


12 posted on 01/15/2009 6:07:56 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: djf

As I told someone recently regarding global warming -

If there were any people “worried” about it that WEREN’T socialists, I might listen to them.


13 posted on 01/15/2009 6:08:59 AM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: djf

You might want to read the entire article.


14 posted on 01/15/2009 6:09:57 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (You're either in or in the way.)
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To: markomalley

Could they be “talking their book,” which consists of lots of heating fuel?


15 posted on 01/15/2009 6:10:19 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really necessary?)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
The last regular period ended about 13,500 BC. Everything was going along nicely when a comet hit the residual glacial mass on the Canadian Shield (looks like Northern Michigan was touchdown), and that set in motion events that created a sudden cooling from about 11,900 BC to about 10,400 BC which we call the Youner Dryas.

They're still sorting the "end of the Ice Age" stuff out, but the part to watch is ocean height. For most of the time Florida is one massive chunk of property as is Southeast Asia.

16 posted on 01/15/2009 6:12:43 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Kirkwood

The burner goes out with the first sign of a Fimbul Winter (that’s where there’s no Summer ~ just year round Winter).


17 posted on 01/15/2009 6:13:42 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: Kirkwood

The burner goes out with the first sign of a Fimbul Winter (that’s where there’s no Summer ~ just year round Winter).


18 posted on 01/15/2009 6:13:44 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: markomalley
Tides come in, tides go out. The ebb and flow of earth temperatures are similar. We're probably not at either extreme - just another adjustment.
19 posted on 01/15/2009 6:23:31 AM PST by GOPJ ("A consensus of 100 scientists is undone by one fact." - - Einstein (take that Al Gore))
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To: markomalley
But who are we to believe?

Nobody. They can't accurately predict the weather from day to day. Next weeks are even more uncertain. They've been wrong before, they'll be wrong again.

There's some consolation in them predicting a new ice age. Last time they did it, it got warmer.

20 posted on 01/15/2009 6:26:29 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Well, hey fellow NoDak, it was -39 this morning. Pheasants tried following me into the shop this morning while I was getting feed for the animals.


21 posted on 01/15/2009 6:40:17 AM PST by PrairieRoot (Here's hoping Global Warning extends the hunting and logging seasons.)
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To: TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; CygnusXI; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; WL-law; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

22 posted on 01/15/2009 6:55:46 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: markomalley
My favorite "Global Warming" picture.....

23 posted on 01/15/2009 7:06:37 AM PST by fredhead (Liberals think globally, reason rectally, act idiotically.)
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To: PrairieRoot

Did you let the pheasants in?


24 posted on 01/15/2009 7:11:16 AM PST by mdmathis6
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To: markomalley
I knew it was unnervingly cold this morning when I tried to let my dog out and she stood at the open door, and looked at me like "Are you kidding me?". I had to literally push her out the door.

She is a year old husky/something mix that absolutely loves the snow. We call her Yenta (her name) the snow dog, yet even she does not want to go out. It was around 20 below (real temp) when we got up this morning.

I WANT SOME GLOBAL WARMING!!!

25 posted on 01/15/2009 7:12:54 AM PST by codercpc
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To: PrairieRoot
Well, hey fellow NoDak, it was -39 this morning. Pheasants tried following me into the shop this morning while I was getting feed for the animals.

I don't blame them! (Hey, fatten them up...!)

It was a balmy -31 when I fired up the hypothermia wagon and headed out for the wellsite in the 'banana belt'--only -20 down here!

The local Wal-Mart's garden section has a population of roughly a hundred little birds who have learned to open the outside doors by flying through the beam, and who regularly dine on the bird seed spilled in there.

I haven't seen many critters out in the open though, the snow pack has got to be rough on them.

26 posted on 01/15/2009 7:14:20 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: djf

LOL!! Dude, read the article.


27 posted on 01/15/2009 7:18:54 AM PST by Cuttnhorse
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To: muawiyah

I can’t remember.
Does global warming cause global cooling or does global cooling cause global warming?


28 posted on 01/15/2009 7:19:39 AM PST by tractorman
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To: markomalley
"But who are we to believe?"

Algore or your own lying eyes...while freezing your butt off shoveling snow...again?

29 posted on 01/15/2009 7:21:23 AM PST by GBA
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To: Smokin' Joe

Our Wal-Mart has been closed for the last three days as they are afraid it may collapse from all the snow on it. They’re still trying to figure out a way to remove the snow.


30 posted on 01/15/2009 7:22:56 AM PST by PrairieRoot (Here's hoping Global Warning extends the hunting and logging seasons.)
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To: markomalley
Isvestia nye Pravda, y Pravda nye Isvestia

There is no news in the truth and no truth in the news. Or something to that effect. Pravda isn't exactly chalk full of veritas.

31 posted on 01/15/2009 7:27:56 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: PrairieRoot
They need some people up there with roof rakes and snow shovels, but if you don't have a roof rake, you're going to have to make it. I was eyeballing the snow on my roof, and thinking I'd better get it off before the thaw or I'll be having ice dam problems...

I have a long 2X, I just need to figure out how to get it out of the garage...old flip-up style garage doors don't work well with 4' drifts in front...

The vehicles stay plugged in outside.

32 posted on 01/15/2009 7:33:13 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Dead Corpse

I’m more likely to believe Pravda than the NY Slimes...


33 posted on 01/15/2009 7:39:26 AM PST by Edgerunner (Second Amendment Spoken Here)
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To: Edgerunner
meh...

Just like Dems and RINO's. A pox on both their Houses.

34 posted on 01/15/2009 7:51:21 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT

Though in fact the winters are now colder and the summers are now hotter than ever before. We’re also experiencing more hurricanes and cyclones.


35 posted on 01/15/2009 7:57:56 AM PST by Cronos (Ceterum censeo, Mecca et Medina delenda est)
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To: markomalley
we could argue the Ice Age has already come.

We could all be buried under 50 feet of snow and our cities might be in danger of being overtaken and destroyed by glaciers heading our way, but the leftist agenda will never allow the global warmists to acknowledge that their "science" is junk.

What we'll get instead is: "See? If you had listened to our warnings about global warming, the planet would not be undergoing an ice age."
36 posted on 01/15/2009 8:07:41 AM PST by adorno
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To: markomalley

Is this a set-up to get FReepers to defend Pravda?

I wonder how many will fail to see who is printing this article.

Realistically since most FReepers tend to believe that whatever the oppositve Pravda says must be true, they just convinced a bumch of right-wing nuts that climate change must be happening.


37 posted on 01/15/2009 8:31:42 AM PST by Einigkeit_Recht_Freiheit (Bomb Liechtenstein!)
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To: PrairieRoot; Smokin' Joe

My parents met at Minot AFB (both from far sides of the country). If I ever whined about it being cold in CT, I’d get the ‘You should be happy you don’t live in Minot. I remember ... ‘ line.

I have no idea how you people in NoDak survive in this kind of weather.


38 posted on 01/15/2009 8:44:28 AM PST by Betis70
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To: Cronos

Imho, i don’t quite believe Al Gore has it right.
He doesn’t understand Mother Nature


39 posted on 01/15/2009 8:55:25 AM PST by MissDairyGoodnessVT
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To: Betis70

“I have no idea how you people in NoDak survive in this kind of weather.”

Part of it is mind set(I also wish I had stock in Carhartt). We seem to have almost a masochistic glee when the weather reaches a lethal degree. On the other hand we don’t have a homeless problem. If you don’t have a home/shelter you’re dead. We don’t have a gangbanger problem either, it’s hard to roam the streets when your BK’s will freeze to the pavement.
I love it.


40 posted on 01/15/2009 8:57:53 AM PST by PrairieRoot (Here's hoping Global Warning extends the hunting and logging seasons.)
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To: MrB
It won’t really matter whether it’s global warming, climate change, or a coming ice age - those doing the fear mongering always have the same solution: Global Socialism

Bingo. It doesn't matter what the issue is, it's the crisis that the socialists are looking to foment, rather it's warming, cooling, intergalactic asteroids or invasions from Mars.

41 posted on 01/15/2009 8:59:47 AM PST by highlander_UW (The only difference between the MSM and the DNC is the MSM sells ad space in their propaganda)
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT

I have noticed that he has been hunkered down this fall and winter


42 posted on 01/15/2009 9:06:49 AM PST by Holicheese (Get up Tom Brady, get up! PLEASE!!)
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To: Betis70
I have no idea how you people in NoDak survive in this kind of weather

We keep warm! (8^D) LOL!

It isn't hard when you walked barefoot through chin deep snow in fifty below weather five miles uphill (both ways!) to get to school, feeling for the edge of the road with your toes so you did not get lost in the white-out...(etc.)--And that was kindergarden!

Actually, my wife is Chippewa, and we were just talking the other day about how people survived this sort of weather in the 'old days'. (They went south, found a sheltered spot, and spent the good weather preparing for the bad.) Now, they were tough.

Even the old homesteader's shacks, 10X10, dominated by a cookstove, a bed, maybe a couple of chairs and a table, would have been a trial for anyone, much less a young couple during the winter.

We truly stand on the shoulders of giants. (It's the only way to see over the snowdrifts!)

43 posted on 01/15/2009 9:41:43 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: Kimmers
Hey, I was a Texas resident for 42 years, and we always had hot summers. I recall driving home from work in Austin several summer days in 2005 when my car's outside thermometer registered over 110 degrees F.
44 posted on 01/15/2009 9:56:38 AM PST by RightWingConspirator (Swiftboating: Revealing inconvenient truths about Democrat candidates)
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To: Betis70

>>>My parents met at Minot AFB (both from far sides of the country). If I ever whined about it being cold in CT, I’d get the ‘You should be happy you don’t live in Minot. I remember ... ‘ line.

I have no idea how you people in NoDak survive in this kind of weather.<<<

C’mon up here to the edge of the treeline, where we just went through the 17 days of -40 below or colder. And where the first frost of the fall last year was on Aug. 19. Dang, we were hoping that global warming was real enough to allow us a chance to grow tomatoes outside. *sigh*


45 posted on 01/15/2009 11:45:27 AM PST by redpoll
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To: Cronos

Shame it’s not true. The summers are not hotter, and the winters are not colder. There is also not a spike in hurricane activity. Check some actual facts. I can recommend some books if you like.


46 posted on 01/15/2009 1:17:43 PM PST by drbuzzard (irony)
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To: markomalley

This may be the first time that Pravda (Truth) has lived up to its name.


47 posted on 01/15/2009 3:08:42 PM PST by PsyOp (Put government in charge of tire pressure, and we'll soon have a shortage of air. - PsyOp.)
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To: codercpc
It was -14 this morning here.

But it warmed up real nice later in the day.

It was -7 at 2:30 this afternoon.

48 posted on 01/15/2009 4:19:51 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT
Imho, i don’t quite believe Al Gore has it right.
He doesn’t understand Mother Nature

He's a democrat.
He doesn’t understand much of anything.

49 posted on 01/15/2009 4:25:28 PM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: MissDairyGoodnessVT
Where’s Al? I can’t find Al!

He's out chasing...


50 posted on 01/15/2009 4:28:53 PM PST by Andonius_99 (There are two sides to every issue. One is right, the other is wrong; but the middle is always evil.)
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