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Confederate flag causes flap at Marysville [WA] school [Students Supsended for Displaying It]
Northwest Cable News ^ | January 15, 2009 | ELISA HAHN

Posted on 01/15/2009 11:05:27 AM PST by matt1234

MARYSVILLE, Wash. - At least three students were suspended from Marysville-Pilchuck High School after displaying the Confederate flag.

Ray Hauser, spokesperson for the school district, said one incident occurred in October, and another just last week.

The students say the flag is a symbol of culture and heritage, but the school district says it's also a symbol of hatred.

Hauser said the students are aware of school policy, and when the administration learned of the displays, the students were called in for a discussion and suspensions occurred immediately.

Eighteen-year-old Ethian Allen is a senior at the school. Over the past few months, he and his friends have been flying the Confederate flag on their cars. To them it's not a symbol of racism -- but of heritage and the "redneck culture," which they embrace.

"I think as a right of free speech we should have whatever flag we want," he said. "Nobody has come up to us and said it offends them in any way, besides the administration."

After they brought it on school grounds, a few of them got 10-day suspensions.

"There are two different sides to the Confederate flag, one of heritage the other a connection to a symbol of hatred," said Hauser.

The district says its policy on the flag stems from a series of incidents back in 2004. A cross burning at the home of a local African American pastor sparked a series of confrontations at the high school involving the Confederate flag. So the so-called Southern Cross was banned. It's even written in the school handbook.

"While we want to recognize a student's right to free speech, we certainly have the first duty to make sure all our students are safe," Hauser said.

The students say no one has complained to them and they feel the school policy is not enforced fairly.

It may be a right of free speech, but the district cites case law which allows them to ban symbols from school grounds if they interfere with safety and the learning process. They say the Confederate flag is a prime example.


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Ironically, Washington was a slave territory during the Civil War.
1 posted on 01/15/2009 11:05:28 AM PST by matt1234
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To: matt1234

It may fly again!


3 posted on 01/15/2009 11:07:53 AM PST by IbJensen (The USA has been failing since Wilson, Take this country back now before it's too late.)
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To: matt1234
The students say the flag is a symbol of culture and heritage, but the school district says it's also a symbol of hatred.

I remember peace symbol wearing hippies spitting on soldiers returning from viet nam...so to me the peace symbol is a symbol of hatred...will they also bad that?

4 posted on 01/15/2009 11:08:02 AM PST by highlander_UW (The only difference between the MSM and the DNC is the MSM sells ad space in their propaganda)
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To: matt1234

I wonder what they would say about the “Don’t Tread On Me” flag?


5 posted on 01/15/2009 11:08:15 AM PST by RC2
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To: highlander_UW

bad = ban


6 posted on 01/15/2009 11:08:21 AM PST by highlander_UW (The only difference between the MSM and the DNC is the MSM sells ad space in their propaganda)
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To: matt1234

‘After they brought it on school grounds, a few of them got 10-day suspensions.’

Like daddy always said, boy, if your going to be dumb you’d better be tough.

They knew this would be the result of their action.

I have nothing but respect for that flag, because I actually know what the Civil War was about when it started, not what it was spun at the time, and down the decades since.

but these kids just pushed, and got pushed back.


7 posted on 01/15/2009 11:09:28 AM PST by Badeye (There are no 'great moments' in Moderate Political History. Only losses.)
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To: matt1234

Would it be OK for the students to wear ‘Che’ t-shirts?


8 posted on 01/15/2009 11:09:47 AM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life ;o)
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To: Liberty Valance

Think this thread is related to this one somehow.....

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2165199/posts


9 posted on 01/15/2009 11:11:48 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Guns don't kill people; abortion clinics do.)
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To: matt1234

If they had the Mexican or Hamas flag it would have been fine.


10 posted on 01/15/2009 11:13:26 AM PST by YOUGOTIT (The Greatest Threat to our Security is the Royal 100 Club)
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To: matt1234

I find a parallel to the current behavior of Islamists.

In November 1861 the first 120 Confederate battle flags were given to Army of Northern Virginia regiments by Robert E. Lee. Three days following surrender, they were gathered by General Joshua R. Chamberlain who said, “Before us in proud humiliation stood the embodiment of manhood: men whom neither toils and sufferings, nor the fact of death, nor disaster, nor hopelessness could bend from their resolve; standing before us now, thin, worn, and famished, but erect, and with eyes looking level to ours, they waked memories that bound us together as no other human bond. Was not such manhood to be welcomed back into a Union, when so tested and true?”

However, the KKK turned this battle flag into a symbol of hate, murder and slavery. Southerners said nothing in rebuke or shame, and the men of Appomattox were forgotten.

Equivalent silence from Muslim religious and political leaders to pronouncements and actions of Islamic Fundamentalists creates a similar deafening roar. Fundamentalism such as currently expressed by Hammas, Hezbollah, and al Qaida represent barbaric, ghoulish heresies to be repudiated and vigorously opposed, or they will dominate the Muslim faith.

Instead Islamists have habitually found compelling attraction to the 11th century teachings and actions of Hassan ben Sabah. He contributed a new idea to Arab political science with a reinterpretation of murder as a legitimate instrument of statecraft. Any sociopath who could claw his way to the top had ready apologetics to feed an addiction to power as insidious any compulsion to alcohol or pornography. Concurrently, the extraordinary Arab achievements in sciences, mathematics and medicine came to an abrupt end as Sabah’s philosophy arose.

Losing a portion of our military heritage pales in comparison to dismemberment of a religious faith. Fundamentalists contemplate violent, repressive governments consuming tribal and family life for over a billion Muslims, while feeding their addiction.


11 posted on 01/15/2009 11:15:35 AM PST by Retain Mike
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To: highlander_UW

I myself was a spitee! Such lovely children!!!


12 posted on 01/15/2009 11:16:14 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: YOUGOTIT

Wonder where the ACLU is?


13 posted on 01/15/2009 11:16:36 AM PST by Mr. Right Now
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To: Mr. Right Now

Who decides what is a symbol of hate?


14 posted on 01/15/2009 11:17:58 AM PST by Mr. Right Now
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To: IbJensen

Um! They ain’t even south of the Mason/Dixie line so what the hey-diddley-doo-dah do they know about the Confederate flag! At least it makes sense if you raise the flag here in Ole Virginie.


15 posted on 01/15/2009 11:18:01 AM PST by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!! I am no LEMMING!)
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To: matt1234

School administrations like most bureaus and such always act like the only tool they have is a hammer and all problems look like nails. Idiots.


16 posted on 01/15/2009 11:18:39 AM PST by Leg Olam (I have a dream that one day, chickens can cross roads without having their motives questioned)
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To: matt1234
Teachers can dip their wicks in the 18 year old female students but anyone in Washington State better not be caught with a Confederate Battle Flag or a Bible on their persons. Maybe John Wilson Sprague should have made the terminus of the North Pacific RR somewhere else that wouldn't have degenerated into an abyss.
17 posted on 01/15/2009 11:19:22 AM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: ontap

Thanks for your service and I’m sorry to hear about the treatment. I’m a vet as well, but missed the viet nam era by a few months and was sent to Germany instead...only job available during the Carter administration.


18 posted on 01/15/2009 11:20:48 AM PST by highlander_UW (The only difference between the MSM and the DNC is the MSM sells ad space in their propaganda)
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To: matt1234
Ironically, Washington was a slave territory during the Civil War.

Theoretically, thanks to Dred Scott, all territories were slave territories. I'd be surprised if any of the 13,000 or so people living in the territory in 1865 owned any though.

19 posted on 01/15/2009 11:21:57 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: matt1234
Tell them to fly the Bonnie Blue instead. States Rights.

20 posted on 01/15/2009 11:21:57 AM PST by HighlyOpinionated (The American Form of Government . . . http://www.flixxy.com/political-systems.htm)
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To: highlander_UW

The students say the flag is a symbol of culture and heritage

yeh, Southern culture and heritage, not Northwestern. I can’t stand pretenders. And unfortunately during “massive resistance” racists bastardized the symbol of the Confederate flag to promote hate. So some see it as a symbol of hate. I can work with a person that is flying the flag because they are proud of their Confederate heritage and history, but not if they are trying to raise it to symbolize hate.


21 posted on 01/15/2009 11:22:39 AM PST by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!! I am no LEMMING!)
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To: matt1234
More hate. Better ban this flag too.


22 posted on 01/15/2009 11:23:38 AM PST by bk1000 (A clear conscience is a sure sign of a poor memory)
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To: brwnsuga

I can understand how people view the confederate flag as offensive...and I’d never fly one, even if I were from the south. But equally I view the peace symbol as a symbol of hate for the exact same reasons you cited regarding the confederate flag. Clearly, not everyone who wears a peace symbol spit on returning veterans, but some did hijack the symbol to make it a symbol of hatred.


23 posted on 01/15/2009 11:25:17 AM PST by highlander_UW (The only difference between the MSM and the DNC is the MSM sells ad space in their propaganda)
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To: matt1234
...but of heritage and the "redneck culture," which they embrace.

A heritage and culture that I doubt these products of suburban Seattle know anything about.

24 posted on 01/15/2009 11:26:17 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: highlander_UW

It wasn’t much of a party!I often look back and wonder if the poor dears are actively involved in politics! I wonder which party they are affiliated with?


25 posted on 01/15/2009 11:26:22 AM PST by ontap (Just another backstabbing conservative)
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To: highlander_UW

I’ve never thought of the peace symbol that way because the Vietnam war was really before my generation, but I could see how that would change your view about the symbol.


26 posted on 01/15/2009 11:27:23 AM PST by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!! I am no LEMMING!)
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To: IbJensen

>>It may fly again!<<

Au contraire, it WILL fly again. Mine goes up January 20. Might as well, nobody (including America’s Dope) has any respect for the American flag, except us veterans.


27 posted on 01/15/2009 11:29:16 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners.)
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To: matt1234
Eighteen-year-old Ethian Allen is a senior at the school. Over the past few months, he and his friends have been flying the Confederate flag on their cars. To them it's not a symbol of racism -- but of heritage and the "redneck culture," which they embrace.

I was not aware that Ethian was a Redneck name.

28 posted on 01/15/2009 11:30:50 AM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Baynative

What about FUBU gear? Any problem with that? Or big X logos on hats & t-shirts? Or Apple Bottom” jeans? One mans culture is another man’s symbol of hatred.

Malcolm X did hate “whitey” and wrote and spoke on it. Any commemoration of him is far more offensive to me than the Rebel flag.

FUBU stands for: For Us By Us, it is a racially exclusive clothing brand that is also an offenseive acronym. Are the black kids allowed to wear FUBU?

‘Apple Bottom’ is a brand that celebrates the large booties that many black woman sport. In doing so it denegrates the smaller, flatter backsides of white girls. Does the school administration allow Apple Bottom branded clothes.


29 posted on 01/15/2009 11:32:54 AM PST by Jack Black
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To: Mr. Right Now

Where have you been?

The politically correct groups, that’s who!


30 posted on 01/15/2009 11:33:33 AM PST by Niuhuru (Fine, here's my gun, but let me give you the bullets first. I'll send them to you through the barrel)
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To: Jack Black

If you are trying to make rational sense of this, you are wasting your time.


31 posted on 01/15/2009 11:35:38 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: HighlyOpinionated

I have never seen this flag before. Can you explain how it came about and what it means? Thanks!


32 posted on 01/15/2009 11:38:34 AM PST by Sunshine Sister
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To: NTHockey

US flag upside down until I know the one is legit, and my confederate battle flag on the same pole for all to see!

Semper Fi


33 posted on 01/15/2009 11:44:33 AM PST by devistate one four (Impatiently waiting for the next tea party! Tet '68)
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To: matt1234
Georgia State Flag {2001 - 2003}

Georgia State Flag {1956 - 2001}

This is the one some Liberal saw in Clarence Thomas' office and pronounced that he was a Racist.

34 posted on 01/15/2009 11:45:31 AM PST by radar101
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To: matt1234
we certainly have the first duty to make sure all our students are safe

How many injuries are caused by flag displays every year?

35 posted on 01/15/2009 11:49:44 AM PST by stainlessbanner
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To: devistate one four
US flag upside down until I know the one is legit, and my confederate battle flag on the same pole for all to see!

So how are they going to know that your CBF isn't flying upside down, too?

36 posted on 01/15/2009 11:52:46 AM PST by Non-Sequitur
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To: Non-Sequitur

ROFLMAO! Good one!


37 posted on 01/15/2009 11:59:56 AM PST by devistate one four (Impatiently waiting for the next tea party! Tet '68)
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To: Sunshine Sister

Google the Bonnie Blue Flag.


38 posted on 01/15/2009 12:04:24 PM PST by groanup
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To: matt1234
"Ironically, Washington was a slave territory during the Civil War."

Washington territory comprised Washington, Idaho and parts of Montana.

A map of territories of 1820 shows Washington territory (parts of which went into Canada >see 54/40 or Fight war or The Pig War<) and was not listed as a slave territory. The British and Americans administered this area at the time. The state of Washington was not a slave state or territory. Washington became a state Monday, November 11, 1889. Therefore Washington, the state, could not have been a slave state since it didn't exist as a state during the Civil War.

Therefor I am confused as to where you may have gotten the information regarding Washington as a slave state.

The 15 slave states at the time of the Civil War were Alabama, Arkansas, Delaware, Florida, Georgia, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Tennessee, Texas, and Virginia (including West Virginia which hadn't separated from Virginia at that time). (The District of Columbia also had slavery prior to the Civil War.)

Though not states, slavery was practiced in the Nebraska Territory and in the Indian Territory (Oklahoma) as early as the 1850s. Washington Territory was not mentioned.

The last northern state to abolish slavery was New Jersey in 1804, although the laws of that state retained slaves over a certain age as "apprentices for life" until the 13th Amendment, in 1865. Eleven of these states declared their secession in 1860 and 1861 to form the Confederate States of America; Delaware, Kentucky, Maryland and Missouri did not leave the Union. West Virginia joined the Union as a free state in 1863 after seceding from Virginia.

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39 posted on 01/15/2009 12:07:05 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: matt1234
I guess Florida's flag is next...


40 posted on 01/15/2009 12:10:33 PM PST by pabianice
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To: vetvetdoug

“...or a Bible on their persons.”

I seriously doubt Washington has outlawed Bibles at school.


41 posted on 01/15/2009 12:11:56 PM PST by gracesdad
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To: devistate one four

Kudos to you.


42 posted on 01/15/2009 12:27:51 PM PST by Rappini ("Pro deo et Patria.)
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To: Rappini

Thanks


43 posted on 01/15/2009 12:29:40 PM PST by devistate one four (Impatiently waiting for the next tea party! Tet '68)
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Ping sionnsar if you see a Washington state related thread.

44 posted on 01/15/2009 12:53:40 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: brwnsuga

It doesn’t really matter what you, or I, say the flag symbolizes because clearly it symbolizes different things to different people.

Mouthpiece Hauser blew it when he tried to interpret the meaning of the flag. He just should have cited past experience at the school and the “case law which allows them to ban symbols from school grounds if they interfere with safety and the learning process.”


45 posted on 01/15/2009 12:53:40 PM PST by swain_forkbeard (Rationality may not be sufficient, but it is necessary.)
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To: trumandogz
I was not aware that Ethian was a Redneck name.

Ethan Allen was a mountain man.

But "Ethian"?

46 posted on 01/15/2009 1:01:25 PM PST by x
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To: matt1234

As long as all symbols are banned, I see nothing wrong with banning the rebel flag in this school. Kids aren’t in school to exercise free speech, they are there to get an education.


47 posted on 01/15/2009 1:02:19 PM PST by Colonel Kangaroo
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To: SkyDancer

Probably thinking Washington DC.


48 posted on 01/15/2009 1:04:46 PM PST by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: RC2

My husband was in the Navy, so we fly that flag with our Stars and Stripes.


49 posted on 01/15/2009 1:06:08 PM PST by brwnsuga (Proud, Black, Sexy Conservative!!! I am no LEMMING!)
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To: devistate one four
I think I'll start flying this one to show them what Kingdom I belong to, and it "ain't theirs".


50 posted on 01/15/2009 1:07:34 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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