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Genetic secrets from Tassie tiger (new talk on bringing extinct thylacine back to life)
BBC News ^ | Jonathan Amos

Posted on 01/15/2009 4:33:01 PM PST by presidio9

Scientists have detailed a significant proportion of the genes found in the extinct Tasmanian "tiger".

The international team extracted the hereditary information from the hair of preserved animal remains held in Swedish and US museums.

The information has allowed scientists to confirm the tiger's evolutionary relationship to other marsupials.

The study, reported in the journal Genome Research, may also give pointers as to why some animals die out.

The two tigers examined had near-identical DNA, suggesting there was very little genetic diversity in the species when it went over the edge. I want to learn as much as I can about why large mammals become extinct because all my friends are large mammals

Professor Webb Miller

Although it was hunting that finally drove the Australian animal out of existence, its longevity as a species may already have been fatally compromised, the researchers believe.

The lessons should not be lost on modern conservation efforts, the team says.

"Looking at the genetic diversity in a population is a key marker for endangerment and it should be used to assess the urgency of preservation," Professor Stephan Schuster from Penn State University told BBC News.

Recurring theme

The Tassie tiger (Thylacinus cynocephalus) was dog-like in appearance and striped like a big cat - but in evolutionary terms, it had little in common with either, and was more closely related to kangaroos and koalas.

Wild thylacines were present until the early 1900s; the last known captive specimen died in Hobart Zoo in 1936.

Its recent demise, and the existence of several well-preserved specimens in museums, has led many to speculate that the animal might be the best extinct candidate for attempted resurrection through new molecular science techniques such as cloning.

(Excerpt) Read more at news.bbc.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Australia/New Zealand; Extended News; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cid; cryptozoology; godsgravesglyphs; intelligentdesign; playinggod; tasmaniantiger; thylacine

"However, I am expecting that publication of this paper also will reinvigorate discussions about possibly bringing the extinct Tasmanian tiger back to life," Professor Miller added.

1 posted on 01/15/2009 4:33:01 PM PST by presidio9
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To: SunkenCiv; pcottraux

If you know who is running the cryptozoolog list these days, this definitely belongs there.


2 posted on 01/15/2009 4:35:41 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: presidio9

That would be interesting.


3 posted on 01/15/2009 4:36:48 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: sionnsar

The first time I saw a picture of a thylacine (30 years ago when I was a kid) I immediately dreamed of the day when they would clone the thing and bring it back to life. One day there will be a zoo of extinct animals, like this one and the mammoth. It will be in Orlando, and it will cost about $200-500 to get in for the day, and everyone will have to wear hospital masks every where they go, but I’ll definitely check it out.


4 posted on 01/15/2009 4:44:44 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: presidio9

Rumor and some supposed sightings suggest the Tasmanian Tiger may not really be extinct.


5 posted on 01/15/2009 4:48:02 PM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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To: presidio9
Ha - me too!

Is it me or does the thylacine have a bit of an odd stance? Not dog, not cat, but maybe a bit like the Tasminanian devil? (Haven't seen a picture in some time...)

6 posted on 01/15/2009 4:49:02 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: sionnsar
The stance is related to being a marsupial.

And, yes, it's closely related to the Tasmanian Devil.

7 posted on 01/15/2009 4:50:35 PM PST by Publius (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people’s money.)
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To: presidio9

Looks more like a dog than a cat—even a hyena.


8 posted on 01/15/2009 4:50:36 PM PST by DallasDeb
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To: presidio9; dragonblustar

Thanks presidio9.


9 posted on 01/15/2009 4:55:31 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: DallasDeb
I thought hyena briefly, but...

Not much like the Tasmanian devil:


10 posted on 01/15/2009 4:56:00 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: DallasDeb; sionnsar; Publius
Looks more like a dog than a cat—even a hyena.

More closely related to a wallaby or a koala than a dog, cat or hyena. Its closest relative in this hemisphere is probably the opossum.

11 posted on 01/15/2009 4:56:05 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: sionnsar

The tylacine's most discinctive feature was its gaping mouth.

12 posted on 01/15/2009 4:59:33 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: presidio9

“Nice doggie....” LOL


13 posted on 01/15/2009 5:04:10 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: PLMerite

that’s true...

‘Sighting’ Of Tasmanian Tiger Sparks L1.2m Bounty Hunt
The Telegraph (UK) | 3-4-2005 | Anna Gizowska
Posted on 04/02/2005 5:47:25 PM PST by blam
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1376341/posts

The Return Of The Tasmanian Tiger
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf043/sf043p08.htm

Tigers in western australia?
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf046/sf046p10.htm

Extinction Discounted
http://www.science-frontiers.com/sf069/sf069b06.htm


14 posted on 01/15/2009 5:05:22 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: sionnsar

Um, when you call him a “doggie,” I’m pretty sure it makes him angry...


15 posted on 01/15/2009 5:06:59 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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16 posted on 01/15/2009 5:07:05 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: presidio9

Wow!

http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/thylacine/index


17 posted on 01/15/2009 5:09:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: presidio9
Um, when you call him a “doggie,” I’m pretty sure it makes him angry...

LOL, well I'm sure not going to say, "Nice kitty!" and I'm sure as h*ck NOT going to say:

"Hey, tiger!" *\;-)

18 posted on 01/15/2009 5:10:29 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: DallasDeb
Looks more like a dog than a cat—even a hyena.

aka "Marsupial Wolf", a case of Convergent Intelligent Design.

19 posted on 01/15/2009 5:10:45 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (This world is a comedy to those that think, a tragedy to those that feel - Horace Walpole)
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To: sionnsar

I found a picture of a tasmanian devil for comparison. You'll note that the tongue did not protude nearly as much on the thylacine. Still they are close relatives.

20 posted on 01/15/2009 5:11:49 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: presidio9; dragonblustar

That would be dragonblustar.


21 posted on 01/15/2009 5:16:12 PM PST by pcottraux (I can't tell the difference between Carl Cameron, Chris Wallace, or Bill McCuddy.)
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To: presidio9; dragonblustar; SoDak; Justice Department; chae; chargers fan; NellieMae; Rocketwolf68; ..

Thanks for the story presidio9! Hey guys! Crypto ping!


22 posted on 01/15/2009 5:17:20 PM PST by FreeManWhoCan ("When you change the way you look at things the things you look at change.")
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To: SunkenCiv
This thread has footage of the last captive thylacine in the Hobart Zoo. However, the airheaded author of the article blames the extinction on white people, saying the hunter-gatherer aborigines never had a problem with them. This is typical wishful thinking BS, as the aborigines brought their dogs with them when they came to Australia 40,000 years ago. Some of those dogs went ferrel and became dingos. The dingo took the place of a wolf in Australia, formerly occupied by the thylacine. When white men started to settle Australia in the 1780's, after tens of thousands of years of dingos, all the shite men did was become the final staw. That's why the thylacine, which had existed for millions of years had so little genetic diversity at the end.
23 posted on 01/15/2009 5:21:07 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: Oztrich Boy
Convergent Intelligent Design.

Thanks for my new favorite term. Another example of CID would be John Kerry and the Sleestacks.

24 posted on 01/15/2009 5:23:20 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: presidio9
Another example of CID would be John Kerry and the Sleestacks.

Intelligent design????

Oh. I see. Something like Ogden Nash:

God in his wisdom made the fly
and then forgot to tell us why

25 posted on 01/15/2009 5:29:02 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: sionnsar

Exactly. The malaria virus is also a product of Intelligent Design.


26 posted on 01/15/2009 5:32:54 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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If you would like to On or Off the Crypto ping list, please let me know.

Thanks, Dragonblustar

27 posted on 01/15/2009 5:36:43 PM PST by dragonblustar (Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: presidio9

Let’s clone Ronaldus Magnus and reinvent the Republican Party. Lord knows we need it in Illinois.


28 posted on 01/15/2009 5:40:09 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: presidio9

That is one creepy looking critter.


29 posted on 01/15/2009 5:41:18 PM PST by dragonblustar (Once abolish the God, and the government becomes the God - G. K. Chesterton)
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To: SERKIT
Let’s clone Ronaldus Magnus and reinvent the Republican Party.

Genetics don't make the man. The only one of his children worth a damn is adopted.

30 posted on 01/15/2009 5:43:07 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: presidio9

Treu. I was going along the lines of a non-evil version of “Boys from Brazil”.


31 posted on 01/15/2009 5:47:44 PM PST by SERKIT ("Blazing Saddles" explains it all.....)
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To: presidio9; SERKIT

Amen.


32 posted on 01/15/2009 5:48:16 PM PST by sionnsar (Iran Azadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5 (SONY)|http://trad-anglican.faithweb.com/|RCongressIn2Years)
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To: sionnsar; SERKIT

I was watching a program about horses recently, and a successful breeder was arguing that cloning Secretariat right now probably wouldn’t be worth the cost, because a lot more went into making a great racehorse than just the genes. Personally, I have no idea how he could know this. And if they do decide to clone secretariat, tell me where to go to place my bet on him. But that’s what he said.


33 posted on 01/15/2009 5:53:11 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam Is As Islam Does)
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To: presidio9
And they'd better build the cages ten times stronger than they think they'll need.

≤}B^)

34 posted on 01/15/2009 5:59:45 PM PST by Erasmus (Yes, English is my first language. I'm hoping to do better on my second.)
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To: dragonblustar

Thanks for the ping!


35 posted on 01/15/2009 6:19:42 PM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Vayo'mer Mosheh, 'Asurah-na' ve'er'eh 'et-hamar'eh hagadol hazeh; maddu`a lo'-yiv`ar haseneh.)
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To: presidio9
Maybe it's a relative to the chupacabra. Image and video hosting by TinyPic
36 posted on 01/15/2009 6:39:12 PM PST by NellieMae (Here...... common sense,common sense,common sense,where'd ya go... common sense......)
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To: dragonblustar
Thylacine: footage of the last Tasmanian Tiger / Wolf 1933
37 posted on 01/15/2009 6:44:17 PM PST by JoeProBono (Apparitions are in the eye of the beholder)
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To: PLMerite

It would not be surprising if some survived.

The ares that were considered it’s original habitat are some of the most remote, inaccessible, god-awful places on Earth.

Mangrove swamps, jungles where the sunlight simply never even hits the ground, that sort of stuff.


38 posted on 01/15/2009 7:11:31 PM PST by djf (< Tagline closed until further notice. Awaiting bailout >)
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To: PLMerite; All

This one is pretty convincing, but it needs to be slowed down and photo enhanced.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vy0wfGoHD88&feature=related


39 posted on 01/15/2009 7:20:39 PM PST by djf (< Tagline closed until further notice. Awaiting bailout >)
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To: NellieMae

I was thinking the same thing. Sure resembles it.


40 posted on 01/15/2009 7:36:53 PM PST by TribalPrincess2U (Welcome to Obama's America... Be afraid, be very afraid)
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