Big Bang Evidence for God (Why I Don’t Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist)

Townhall ^ | Jan 15, 2008 | Frank Turek

[DarkSavant]

I mostly agree with you. Theologians, however, also base their thoughts on empirical data, just much more indirectly. Aquinas once said something to the effect of “All that we know we know through our senses.” For both professions it boild down to having the humility to see what is there and not what you want to be there. Scientists have a tendency to want to see preditability and mathematical certainty with God, and theologians, as you said, want God to be essentially their conception of the ideal man.

[Uri’el-2012]

Please see #29

shalom b'SHEM Yah'shua HaMashiach Adonai

[LiteKeeper]

I taught the Book of Genesis for 5 years...one class. We covered the first five chapters of Genesis in those five years. We spent two years in the first chapter. got a few minutes, there is lot of scholarship around this issue. far more than I have time for at the moment. If you are sincerely interested, send my private email, and I would be delighted in providing you with a lot of information.

You can also visit my web site

[LukeSW]

You are assuming that the scientific theory of the Big Bang is correct. It is only a theory. And since God, by definition and scriptural reputation, obeys physical laws (although he probably has a lot of insights we haven't discovered yet), He very likely observes the laws of conservation of energy and matter.

Moreover, the other assumption the "creation out of nothing" crowd makes is that this world is the only creation. It is clearly not. Worlds without number have been created by God and His Christ. Therefore, God clearly would not have been creating a Universe out of nothing every time he created a new populated world. Instead, he organizes the elements to bring a new star into proper position with the requisite planetary objects.

Don't believe me? Then explain the creation of stars in the W5 nebula, in the constellation Casseopia, that were created at the same time, 7000 years ago, as our own earth was purportedly created. Those stars, contemporaries of our own system were not created out of nothing. QED.

[LukeSW]

“living” imply?” In the case of our “living” God, this does not imply that “living” involves a human being. In contrast, our “living” God may be compared to that of the dead, such as the Greek gods. God our Creator is eternal.

If Christ was resurrected, and he was; And if he returned and showed his living body to his apostles, ate with them, talked with them, and he did; Then why do you think his living father is any different? Of course God is eternal. Christ is eternal. And you and I in our resurrected form will also be eternal.

Moreover, from where did Christ get his male chromosones (DNA) and his god like physical powers? If you answer, from His Father, why do you think the living Christ is somehow completely and substantively different than his living Father?

I will tell you why. Because you believe in a Bible interpretation mandated by a wicked political emperor named Constantine who rammed through the interpretations you still believe in, at a political/religious council called Nicea. Indeed, the Nicean creed is simply a philosophical distortion of simple apostolic testimonies and teachings.

Kind of like a Hillary/Obama sponsored religious conference mandating that we shall believe in Global Warming, and be put to death if we disagree.

[tpanther]

You spend a considerable amount of time trying to convince people that evolution isn’t real - does that mean that you secretly believe it is?

LOL...I think you can ask just about anyone that I've never been a proponent of banning evolution, or replacing it with ID; rather, my position has consistently been one of allowing scientists to investigate ID theory as well as evolution theory.

I've seen the THEORY of evolution as something to scientifically contemplate in certain regards, your reading comprehension disorder notwithstanding.

Is there a day you wake up when your purpose in this world is NOT disingenuine and pretentious?

[DevNet]

What is the reason for you typing theory as THEORY?

[This Just In]

“I will tell you why. Because you believe in a Bible interpretation...”

That statement reveals both your arrogance as well as your false assumptions. The Nicean Creed does not trump the Lord’s Word. According to the Bible, the Lord is Triune; Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Triune Lord created all things.

To take your point to its logical conclusion, a “created” being created everything. As you said, Christ wasn’t “created”. He’s eternal, and yet, he lowered himself into human form in order to pay the penalty of sin, and was resurrected.

How many mere morals have you witnessed do such a thing? None. Just as you have not witnessed mere morals creating new galaxies or worlds. How aperpo that you should mention Global Warming. Given scientific achievement, one would think that we shouldn’t have to worry about Global Warming. All scientists need to do is create a new world to live on.

The Almighty, Triune God created, not mere man. Christ is not a mere man. He is Lord, second person of the trinity. To claim that just he, a “man”, created all things is about as preposterous as “Global Warming”.

[tpanther]

What is the reason for you typing theory as THEORY?

That's the best comeback you have huh?

Color me all shocked and stuff.

[DevNet]

I asked what you meant by that - are you going to explain what you meant or not?

[tpanther]

And I told you that was a pitiful comeback...do you not understand it was a pitiful comeback, or what?

[DevNet]

Please explain why you used the word theory the way you did and the significance of the caps.

[bluejay]

> You are assuming that the scientific theory of the Big Bang is correct. It is only a theory.

It is a theory supported by long-range observations. Keep in mind that it takes time for light to travel so when you look at objects far away it is kind of like looking back in time.

> And since G-d, by definition and scriptural reputation, obeys physical laws.

I do not find anywhere in the Scriptures that G-d is bound by physical laws. Where did you get this information?

> Worlds without number have been created by G-d ...

Do you mean many planets/start systems or many Universes? Many planets yes, many stars obviously, but many Universes? How would you know this?

> Then explain the creation of stars in the W5 nebula

I don’t get your point. We can observe the creation of stars in W5 nebula. Once the Universe has been created there is material to create stars, so the starts get created. If you are into astronomy this must be very exciting, but I don’t get how it says anything about the Big Bang or the Creation?

P.S. I’ve edited your post to obscure the Name. If you read the Scriptures you should know that it is forbidden to deface the Name of G-d. By writing the Name (even into an electronic medium) you are giving someone an opportunity to print out the post and to damage the paper with the Name on it. Thereby you become partly responsible for a grave sin.

[tpanther]

So that you would no doubt have a way to squirm out of your embarassments.

[DevNet]

It isn’t embarrassing to try to expand what one knows.

It does make one wonder why you refuse to explain what you meant - why you result to insults instead.

Perhaps you are embarrassed yourself about your use of that word, yes?

[tpanther]

No and being disingenuous, as you have been from day one, fools no one. You’re not out to expand what you know.

Too many people are on to you.

[DevNet]

Please refresh my memory - who do you think I am today? It keeps changing - rather hard for me to keep track.

[editor-surveyor]

"Please refresh my memory - who do you think I am today?"

Forrest Gump's dummer brother?

[Epistem]

“Yep, ignorance means you don’t know. I don’t know how God created the universe, but I believe he [sic] did it. Some scientist [sic] have come to the same conclusion.”
According to recent polls, about 30% of scientists believe in a god compared to about 84% of Americans in general. Kudos to the 70% of scientists who do not. Now, since you have no difficulty believing that God created the universe, I have no problem believing that there is no God and that existence has always existed. Like C. Hitchens once said, “A claim made without evidence can be denied without evidence.”

[Epistem]

DevNet asked you a perfectly fair (and cogent) question. It seems you're trying to create wiggle room where there is none. So, let's hear your answer.