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SWAT team searches gun-rights supporters
OCRegister ^ | 14 January, 2009 | Steven Greenhut

Posted on 01/16/2009 6:13:16 AM PST by marktwain

At the board meeting today, Orange County deputies searched gun-rights supporters, especially those wearing CCW buttons, according to those who attended the meeting.

Although Sheriff Sandra Hutchens said she would let the permits expire rather than revoke them, her real disdain for freedom is shown by the presence of the SWAT team and the heavyhanded searches of law-abiding residents who wanted to attend the board meeting. Did the sheriff really think that gun supporters are somehow dangerous. I’ve been to gun shows and gun events and have never felt safer.

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Travis Says: January 13th, 2009 at 5:34 pm By one account there was at least 21 on-duty OCSD officers there to frisk the public. Who is paying for that?

bpsqwerty Says: January 13th, 2009 at 5:43 pm put in a metal detector! how hard can it be.

JohnnyVegas Says: January 13th, 2009 at 10:52 pm You have to screen people for weapons at any major public building today-but you only need 1-3 cops doing the deed-and I have no idea why SWAT would be involved for something like that.

Face it-public officials are universally hated today-and if not for weapons screening I bet a number would be knocked off.

Tacohunter Says: January 14th, 2009 at 5:10 am That’s funny……….she feels threatened being around a bunch of middle aged white fat guys at a BOS meeting and surrounds herself with a dozen swat team officers, yet I work in Compton every day surrounded by some of the most violent gang bangers in the country and I can’t get my permit renewed because nobody has actually taken a shot me …yet.

ocobserver Says: January 14th, 2009 at 11:01 am taco,

My heart is with ya, man. Sort of makes you feel like a declawed house cat. Your owner shoves you outside every night at 11pm and won’t let you back in the house until sun up. Maybe if you buy a pair of baggies and learn some popular gang signs they’ll leave you alone.

Rick Says: January 14th, 2009 at 12:52 pm …so how many were searched, and how many guns were found?

OCNewswatcher Says: January 14th, 2009 at 1:08 pm Until the people start flooding her office with calls of protest, or flooding requests for CCW’s or taking to the streets like they do in San Fransisco…. nothing will change. Nothing.

I too wonder exactly what she feared? I think it’s the attitude of law enforcement that anyone but themselves are a threat, at all times, and should be treated accordingly. I also believe that if anyone treats law enforcement as a threat they are called “cop haters” and “gun nuts”

Meh, what can ya’ do…… Nothing.

Eric - Costa Mesa Says: January 15th, 2009 at 8:46 am This pattern of behavior goes to her character. She feels she needs 20 or so armed body guards from the SWAT Team to go into a public meeting that already has police security reveals a real paranoia.

John Hardin Says: January 15th, 2009 at 9:50 am Intimidation, pure and simple.

4th Amendment? Wozzat?


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; bitter; california; ccw; democrats; donutwatch; hutchens; jackbootedthugs; jbt; lping; orange; policestate; sandisue; sandrahutchens; shallnotbeinfringed; swat
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I wonder if she has a guilty conscience?
1 posted on 01/16/2009 6:13:17 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Jack Booted Thugs!!


2 posted on 01/16/2009 6:14:28 AM PST by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: marktwain

Swat teams have been warming up for 20+ years.


3 posted on 01/16/2009 6:15:02 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Wait till Obama starts to send his defense corps door to door.


4 posted on 01/16/2009 6:20:13 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could be Farts)
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To: marktwain

Talk about profiling! They should file a whiney lawsuit for unlawful search like the muzzies and thugs do.


5 posted on 01/16/2009 6:21:10 AM PST by PistolPaknMama (Al-Queda can recruit on college campuses but the US military can't! --FReeper airborne)
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To: mylife

I don’t know if that will happen. But I do know they stay in practice and they practice on everyday citizens doing something than can give a pretext of “cause.”


6 posted on 01/16/2009 6:21:38 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: marktwain

From Wiki:

Sandra Hutchens is the current Sheriff-Coroner of Orange County, California. She was appointed to the position on June 10, 2008, replacing acting sheriff Jack Anderson, who had led the department since January 14, 2008 when the former sheriff Mike Carona retired.

Prior to her appointment, she was retired from the position of division chief within the Los Angeles County Sheriff’s Department.

Sheriff Sandra Hutchens also goes by the name, “Sandi Sue”

She is a graduate of the University of La Verne and the FBI Academy.

The University of La Verne was founded in 1891 as Lordsburg College by members of the Church of the Brethren.


7 posted on 01/16/2009 6:24:47 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; Allerious; ...
Although Sheriff Sandra Hutchens said she would let the permits expire rather than revoke them, her real disdain for freedom is shown by the presence of the SWAT team and the heavyhanded searches of law-abiding residents who wanted to attend the board meeting



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8 posted on 01/16/2009 6:27:13 AM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: marktwain

One of the comments was right ont he money:

Maybe if you buy a pair of baggies and learn some popular gang signs they’ll leave you alone.


9 posted on 01/16/2009 6:28:20 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Guns don't kill people; abortion clinics do.)
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To: Vaquero; Squantos; hiredhand; NFHale
it’s the attitude of law enforcement that anyone but themselves are a threat, at all times, and should be treated accordingly. I also believe that if anyone treats even implies law enforcement as a threat they are called “cop haters” and “gun nuts”

weve been playin the house game, by the house rules for years...

chip count is down, cards are dealt, will it be a 'fold' or 'ALL IN' ???

10 posted on 01/16/2009 6:30:49 AM PST by Gilbo_3 ("JesusChrist 08"...Trust in the Lord......=...LiveFReeOr Die...)
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To: the invisib1e hand

It will happen. On November 4, 2008, individuals alleged to be Americans ordained it via their vote to happen. When it will happen is the next question.

It is now out of the If column and has been moved to the When column.


11 posted on 01/16/2009 6:32:46 AM PST by sport
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To: marktwain
her real disdain for freedom is shown by the presence of the SWAT team and the heavyhanded searches of law-abiding residents who wanted to attend the board meeting.
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So?....When it is time to defend the Constitution, on whose side will be these guy? Want to guess?

Remember Elian Gonzoles. After his “capture”, the INS swat guys went out and celebrated with a party.

Remember Waco.

12 posted on 01/16/2009 6:34:51 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: marktwain
I also believe that if anyone treats law enforcement as a threat they are called “cop haters” and “gun nuts”

Why yes, COPS are super human and perfect too, donchaknow.

Putting on flame proof undies lest a few select FReepers(?) are reading this.

13 posted on 01/16/2009 6:35:30 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The tree of liberty is getting mighty dry)
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To: PistolPaknMama
Talk about profiling! They should file a whiney lawsuit for unlawful search like the muzzies and thugs do.
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Yes, they should. It is time to use Saul Alinsky techniques against them.

14 posted on 01/16/2009 6:37:45 AM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Maybe if you buy a pair of baggies and learn some popular gang signs they’ll leave you alone.

Except when you flash the sign to the rival gang

15 posted on 01/16/2009 6:38:25 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The tree of liberty is getting mighty dry)
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To: marktwain

At the board meeting today, Orange County deputies searched gun-rights supporters, especially those wearing CCW buttons, according to those who attended the meeting.
Although Sheriff Sandra Hutchens said she would let the permits expire rather than revoke them, her real disdain for freedom is shown by the presence of the SWAT team and the heavyhanded searches of law-abiding residents who wanted to attend the board meeting.

What were the searches based on? As a former Police Officer I know that any search and type of search must meet some requirement in law to set it off.
Simply being in favor of personal rights over government riights is not something that would be considered.
Also were all people arriving for the meeting searched or only those that were thought to support citizen rights?
If not then surely this action was illegal and open to lawsuits.


16 posted on 01/16/2009 6:43:04 AM PST by SECURE AMERICA (Coming to You From the Front Lines of Occupied America)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
Putting on flame proof undies lest a few select FReepers(?) are reading this.

Not necessary. They don't show up to threads like this one. You can find them over on the weekly "Grandma killed in SWAT drug raid. Small baggie of marijuana recovered" threads.

17 posted on 01/16/2009 6:43:19 AM PST by Drew68
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To: the invisib1e hand

The SWAT teams could only dream of the amount of arms that we possess.


18 posted on 01/16/2009 6:53:08 AM PST by ExtremeUnction
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To: Drew68
I know, I posted a thread here a couple of weeks ago about a questionable event here in Vegas (SWAT involved, no knock warrant).

Was called a COP hater, druggie, liar, etc.

Put the undies on just in case :^)

19 posted on 01/16/2009 6:54:25 AM PST by Las Vegas Ron (The tree of liberty is getting mighty dry)
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To: Gilbo_3

Sheriff Sandra Hutchens , domestic enemy........


20 posted on 01/16/2009 7:03:30 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: marktwain
How about responding this way: "Officer if you lay your hands on me without my permission I'll have you charged with assault and battery." Then you hand them a copy of the relevant Statute.

Then you remind them very politely that since they've now been made aware of the Law they've lost their Immunity to Civil Suits.

Then sit back and watch the fun.

L

21 posted on 01/16/2009 7:05:57 AM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: SECURE AMERICA
See Post 21.

I'd have Badges hanging on my wall and a very large check from the City were this to happen to me.

L

22 posted on 01/16/2009 7:08:25 AM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: sport

too much TV, champ. Really. Go out and live a little this weekend.


23 posted on 01/16/2009 7:11:18 AM PST by the invisib1e hand (revolution is in the air.)
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To: marktwain

Title 18. Sections 241 and 242. Charge this b*tch and every SWATtie that participated in this illegal activity.


24 posted on 01/16/2009 7:11:46 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse

Could someone have phoned in a threat? That’s the only thing I can think of that might justify this action.??? Of course, even if there was no threat, that’s probably the excuse she’ll use.


25 posted on 01/16/2009 7:20:33 AM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing! I'm a doctor, and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: marktwain
Photobucket No... she believes every American citizen is a criminal. Each day we let these so cold leaders take another piece of the Consitution.
26 posted on 01/16/2009 7:29:42 AM PST by odin2008 (EVIL TRUMPHS WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING)
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To: odin2008

In the peace officers owrld there used to be three groups. Us, them and civilians. In the law enforcement world there are only two. Us and them.


27 posted on 01/16/2009 7:35:34 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Government only does one thing well - WASTE MONEY!)
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To: mylife
"Wait till Obama starts to send his defense corps door to door."

Must be the ones he will hire from his home town in Africa. I doubt if he would get many American Citizens to volunteer for brown shirt duty where the uniform of the day is jack boots and brown shirts, swinging a scimitar and brandishing S.W.A.T. rifles.

28 posted on 01/16/2009 7:44:03 AM PST by Eastbound
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To: Eastbound

Half the folks at HuffPo and DU are prolly already signed up


29 posted on 01/16/2009 7:46:11 AM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could be Farts)
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To: Squantos
I guess I'll have to add her to my "list" when the ballon goes up... And a SWAT team can't protect her 24/7.....

...Henry Bowman

30 posted on 01/16/2009 7:49:01 AM PST by DCBryan1 (Arm Pilots&Teachers. Build the Wall. Export Illegals. Profile Muslims. Execute child molesters RFN!)
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To: DCBryan1

All hard armor has a soft pink center....I can wait.

Hope yer well !........Stay safe !


31 posted on 01/16/2009 7:51:06 AM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: marktwain

She’s an affirmative action choice, and an Obamanite, reeking of political correctness(a term first put into use by Lenin)....


32 posted on 01/16/2009 8:36:35 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: Eastbound

Obama’s goons will be recruited from NOI..


33 posted on 01/16/2009 8:38:25 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: marktwain
I have often wondered which side the cops would take when it comes down to a choice of supporting and defending either a corrupt, oppressive government or the Constitution.

I guess now we know.

34 posted on 01/16/2009 8:46:41 AM PST by PalmettoMason ("an empty limousine pulled up in front of the White House, and Barack Obama got out")
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To: PalmettoMason
PalmettoMason posted:
I have often wondered which side the cops would take when it comes down to a choice of supporting and defending either a corrupt, oppressive government or the Constitution.

It won't be so simple. There are quite a few police out there who will support their oath to defend the Constitution. However, we will be best served by them staying inside the system and providing intelligence rather than by them resigning from the force in protest.

In a lot of states, federal laws will simply not be enforced. In *Canada*, a number of provinces simply refused to enforce their draconian gun registry. Civil resistance was massive. A few people went to jail, but they have changed governments and the Conservatives made it a campaign pledge to eliminate the draconian “long gun” registry, which is what was being resisted. I am not sure that they will win, but they have a good shot, and we should be able to do better.

Having people on our side *inside* the system will be an enormous help.

35 posted on 01/16/2009 8:56:51 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Cowardice is a terrible burden to carry.

Maybe this chick needs to find a less frightening line of work, like elementary school teacher or secretary.

Anything that fits her abilities and mind set.


36 posted on 01/16/2009 9:00:04 AM PST by Dr.Zoidberg
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To: Eastbound
I doubt if he would get many American Citizens to volunteer for brown shirt duty where the uniform of the day is jack boots and brown shirts, swinging a scimitar and brandishing S.W.A.T. rifles.

Are you kidding? Thousands of disaffected "yutes" will line up to sign up, just to get it over on "the man" (that's you and me, folks).

37 posted on 01/16/2009 9:02:27 AM PST by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I’m not worried about it.


38 posted on 01/16/2009 9:14:27 AM PST by sport
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To: Lurker

Here, they’d just taze you.


39 posted on 01/16/2009 9:36:55 AM PST by wastedyears (In Canada, Santa says "Ho Ho, eh?")
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To: marktwain
There are quite a few police out there who will support their oath to defend the Constitution. However, we will be best served by them staying inside the system and providing intelligence rather than by them resigning from the force in protest.

I wish that I shared your optimism.

Unfortunately, I read stories here every day of police who use their authority to abuse, harm, and even kill citizens. Then, I look at the comments, and some who claim to be LEOs(supposedly Conservative FReepers) post some pretty outrageous replies in defense of some of the worst cases. It generally deteriorates into the dreaded "us vs. them" argument in which the LEOs (or those who claim to be) end up bragging about their abuse of people. Just this week, one of the usual suspects bragged about how much he enjoyed confiscating people's personal property over traffic (equipment) violations. Not that he did it because it was his job... not because it made the community safer...but because he got off on it. Is it too much of a stretch to think he will feel any differently when he comes to take your guns? After all, if taking someone's vehicle made him feel powerful, how much more of a power trip will it be when he and those like him are the only ones with the power to decide which of the rest of your property you should be allowed to keep?

These SWAT guys had to know that there was no reasonable reason for them (as SWAT officers) to be there. These were law abiding citizens using their Constitutional right to freely assemble. SWAT had to know that their presence was an intimidation tactic, yet they went along because they were just "following orders".

Where have we heard THAT before?

40 posted on 01/16/2009 9:38:04 AM PST by PalmettoMason ("an empty limousine pulled up in front of the White House, and Barack Obama got out")
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To: DCBryan1

Paging Henry Bowman


41 posted on 01/16/2009 9:38:13 AM PST by wastedyears (In Canada, Santa says "Ho Ho, eh?")
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To: Vaquero

watch and learn how it done
http://video.google.com/videosearch?q=why+we+fight&hl=en&emb=0&aq=o#


42 posted on 01/16/2009 9:38:47 AM PST by shielagolden
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Yep. There should be hot and cold running lawsuits over this.


43 posted on 01/16/2009 9:48:20 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: sport

ping


44 posted on 01/16/2009 9:48:36 AM PST by QBFimi2 (Ve are the New World Order; ve bring to the world dis-order. Spike Jones, 1943.)
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To: wintertime

agreed the left has been using the courts for years now to get their way and it’s high time we did.


45 posted on 01/16/2009 9:49:14 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Eastbound

You can bet that many visa’s will be going to Arica and especially Kenya now.

His national civilian security force which he says will rival the military will be ready to go soon.

I await their knock at the door because of my concealed weapon permit and guns


46 posted on 01/16/2009 9:53:33 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Dr.Zoidberg

no there’s far too many left wing loons near our children already.

throw her off to the pig farm or something, maybe obama could join her.
O wait muslims don’t like bacon or pork


47 posted on 01/16/2009 9:55:36 AM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: wastedyears
Here, they’d just taze you.

Until your heart goes into tachycardia...

48 posted on 01/16/2009 10:04:30 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Dead Corpse
Here, they’d just taze you. Until your heart goes into tachycardia...

Yep, the so called "non-lethal" tasers that will kill anyone with a pace maker(and there are some very young people with them)or arrhythmia problems or if they keep using it for prolonged periods.

49 posted on 01/16/2009 10:22:44 AM PST by calex59
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To: calex59; Dead Corpse

That’s the least of my problems. I’m more worried about sleep apnea causing me to not get restful sleep. Or how much activity my brain does before going to sleep.

They won’t break me.


50 posted on 01/16/2009 10:30:01 AM PST by wastedyears (In Canada, Santa says "Ho Ho, eh?")
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