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COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum. (Trolling 101)
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Posted on 01/16/2009 12:36:53 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator

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To: Kevmo

:-p


141 posted on 01/16/2009 9:32:17 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator

Thanks for the info.


142 posted on 01/16/2009 9:35:45 PM PST by Jet Jaguar
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To: little jeremiah; Kevmo; moder_ator; MHGinTN

I’m aware of their past behavior....But also aware they are trying, for what ever reason to change that behavior,....
We’ve had people with alcohol/drug abuse, mental problems etc etc on FR, I’m sure the moderator can tell some stories...
Regardless read the rules on the from page and temember this is a classy place not the DOS. It has been a traditions here to NOT ATTACK ANOTHER FREEPER.

If you attack you lower yourself to their level. JIm has said repeatedly to ignore it. I say chose your actions don’t react..

Now the moderators have given you a method of dealing with people who meet the criteria on the post. No where do I see name calling listed. I know from some friend that are no longer here at FR that even “good people” get sucked into behaviors that the Mods ban people for....Get in a fiasco even if you don’t start it and you’ll see the results.


143 posted on 01/16/2009 9:40:21 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: hoosiermama; little jeremiah; MHGinTN; Admin Moderator; Sidebar Moderator

I’m aware of their past behavior....But also aware they are trying, for what ever reason to change that behavior,....
***There is not much evidence of such an attempt to change the behavior.

We’ve had people with alcohol/drug abuse, mental problems etc etc on FR, I’m sure the moderator can tell some stories...
***And I’m sure it’s all a very sad story as well. But trolling is trolling and it is a disruption of this forum, regardless of what medication someone is on and whether it’s self prescribed. When 2 or 3 self-medicators get going on a thread, it’s a sign that the mods need to do something about it. It took months to get satisfaction with the tootyfruityrudybots.

Regardless read the rules on the from page and temember this is a classy place not the DOS. It has been a traditions here to NOT ATTACK ANOTHER FREEPER.
***JimRob seems to have set a tradition when he opened the bugzapper thread and directly attacked a long term freeper and zotted him. And the trolls (and everyone else) should be reading the front page where it says on the first sentence of JimRob’s Statement from the founder, we defend the constitution.
“Statement by FR’s Founder:
In our continuing fight for freedom, for America and our constitution...”

Later on in that statement is some telling stuff about the idealogy of this site, which RINOs have a lot of trouble with. Many of them hem and haw when they see this, and it’s on the FIRST PAGE.

“As a conservative site, Free Republic is pro-God, pro-life, pro-family, pro-Constitution, pro-Bill of Rights, pro-gun, pro-limited government, pro-private property rights, pro-limited taxes, pro-capitalism, pro-national defense, pro-freedom, and-pro America. We oppose all forms of liberalism, socialism, fascism, pacifism, totalitarianism, anarchism, government enforced atheism, abortionism, feminism, homosexualism, racism, wacko environmentalism, judicial activism, etc. ....We believe in defending our borders .... We are not connected to or funded by any political party, news agency, or any other entity. “

If you attack you lower yourself to their level. JIm has said repeatedly to ignore it. I say chose your actions don’t react..
***When you’re dealing with one troll, it’s polite to let them dig their own hole. When you’re dealing with multiple trolls operating in tag team, that does not work. It’s significant that JimRob kept saying the same thing about the tootyfruityrudybot trolls until he went into the trenches with us, specifically I think it was CeltJewLibertarian who gave him a hard time and soon afterwards we saw the bugzapper thread.

Now the moderators have given you a method of dealing with people who meet the criteria on the post.
***The method appears to be incomplete and secretive. I prefer to operate out in the open. In our society you have the right to face your accuser and this site should reflect that tradition when someone is being accused of being a troll.

No where do I see name calling listed. I know from some friend that are no longer here at FR that even “good people” get sucked into behaviors that the Mods ban people for....Get in a fiasco even if you don’t start it and you’ll see the results.
***I’ve seen that myself. The process should be very open. In the end, bad behavior is bad behavior and the mods have the right to clean up the site. We should just be very upfront about what behavior triggers it and what behavior doesn’t, even if those behaviors change, as human nature is wont to demonstrate.


144 posted on 01/16/2009 10:04:39 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Admin Moderator
No you aren’t. I noticed this earlier and tried to clean it up when posting. It was full of UK spelling.

Thank you!

145 posted on 01/16/2009 10:33:45 PM PST by MaggieCarta (We're all Detroiters now.)
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To: hoosiermama

May I direct you to posts 101 and 102 where the moderator is (cough) gently throwing in the word “clean”?

Is this a hint?

It’s a hint.

I’m highly offended.


146 posted on 01/16/2009 11:43:38 PM PST by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Only dull women have immaculate houses.................

Cleanliness may be next to Godliness, but around here it's next to impossible.......

147 posted on 01/17/2009 12:20:14 AM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: hoosiermama

Well then! I am certifiably NOT dull!!
whoo hoo!

Take THAT you mod you!

(gulp)


148 posted on 01/17/2009 12:49:00 AM PST by Bradís Gramma ( PRAY! Pray for the U.S. Pray for Israel.)
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To: MortMan

Thank you MortMan. Your nickel’s worth of mentoring was very generous. It sounds as if courtesy and intelligence are a way in the door.


149 posted on 01/17/2009 4:37:20 AM PST by SisterK (UN Headquarters should relocate to Iran)
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To: hoosiermama

LOL! Bump to myself. That would be a great tag line!


150 posted on 01/17/2009 5:14:50 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: Kevmo
Seems to be the MO on fairtax threads too... I swear they all post from the same nasty Saul Alinsky playbook.
151 posted on 01/17/2009 5:21:06 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Kevmo; Diana in Wisconsin

addenda appreciated.

Offender please take note.


152 posted on 01/17/2009 5:23:34 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Sidebar Moderator

This is very important. Thanks for posting and giving us the knowledge of your experience.


153 posted on 01/17/2009 5:27:04 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Sidebar Moderator

So what do we call this type of thread?

An Administrative Vanity?

: )


154 posted on 01/17/2009 5:47:02 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: hoosiermama; Kevmo; moder_ator; little jeremiah; Gondring; Admin Moderator; MHGinTN; xcamel; mlo; ..

I’m just including in the list of recipients, the ones who has been talking back and forth on this in particular. I don’t know why there’s an increasing number of different “moderator” inclusions, but I’ve included them, too...

Moderators are included here, as “copied” from the other posts...


hoosiermama said — “I appreciate your ping. Star travelor had been away from the threads for severl weeks and was trying to join in the conversation....There was no reason for the name calling except you recognized the name... Maybe the poster had a change of style....maybe even a change of heart...

Sorry sir but you were out of line then and are out of line now in thinking that name calling is a respectable form of communication or debate...and I’ll stand by my original post for you to stop it.

It’s a form of invalidation and is not acceptable between adults. No matter which side of the issue you are on......”


The problem here is that certain posters don’t like the ideas that I’ve presented — regardless of what my “foundational beliefs” are, as they have always been founded on the principle (in my view) that conservatism stems *foundationally* from the Christian faith and principles of the Bible. That’s how I approach conservative issues. But, that doesn’t make any difference to some posters.

The problem that these certain posters have is that they don’t like *any* disagreement with their viewpoint, as if the only one that can be voiced is theirs — and if anyone voices another — then it’s got to be trolls, or Obots, or a “gang” of trolls and so on. It’s gotten to be *so conspiracy-minded* too.

What’s the issue that drives this (for those others)? Very simply that they don’t think that Obama qualifies under the Constitution. Now, regardless of the fact that I hammered on the very same issues *before* the election, and then saw that I lost (and I didn’t vote for Obama... LOL..) — I saw that this issue *was going nowhere* and not even our own President, Vice President, Republican legislators, Electoral College, or Supreme Court was going anywhere with the issue. It was all being turned down to defeat.

Well, my view on why that’s happening is that there is a *big hole* in the system, in the vetting process, that allowed it to happen *without* specific documents being produced. The problem here — is very simply — that no one can *produce* documentation to prove that there is a problem, and also, Obama has not been *required* to produce specific documentation *by law*. — That’s the problem. —

Now, I say that there’s a *big denial of reality* here — in basically *recognizing* that the problem is in the *system* that allowed this kind of vetting to go on. So, in pointing this out and saying that they’re going down the wrong track and not really achieving any results — that’s said to be a “troll” or an “Obot” (and a lot more, too...).

But, all this “common sense” is so much “nonsense” to those who are “rabid” in their assertions that Obama is violating the Constitution. The fact of the matter is that I haven’t seen any court take up the *legal documentation* to even prove such a thing. So, at this point — without any proof — it’s just a lot of speculation.

Now — I’ve proposed (for quite a while now) that the various states put forth legislation to *require* specific documentation (written expressly in the statute) so that either it’s produced and the Constitutional requirement is verified that way — or else — the Candidate cannot be placed on the ballot.

Here in Oklahoma, a bill was just put in doing *that very thing*. And I’ve said that I’m going to be working on that one, to see that it gets through, and gets through in a good form. That will be *exactly* the process we need to “close up the loophole” that has allowed all these questions to go *unanswered* (and they are “unanswered” because no one has any court acting on anything here, in terms of either *blocking* Obama from taking office, or *removing* Obama from office).

Another point that has been made is that the Constitution allows one method for removing a President from his office, and that’s by means of Impeachment and Conviction (the House and the Senate). Now, certain other posters have claimed that *since* (note that...) Obama is not qualified, he’s really *not President* (at that future time) — and thus — all that is needed is simply to have a Marshal walk into the White House, with court orders and “remove Obama from the premises” — and that’s how we get Obama out of the White House. I’ve also commented on that one, that it’s not possible because of the separation of powers between the three branches of government.

IN ADDITION — it’s getting to be ridiculous in that certain posters *absolutely fervent desire* to remove Obama from office is so *obsessive* (and compulsive) that they have lost touch with reality and have become like “Baghdad Bob” in that any “loss” (like what Berg said in his case was a *setback*, and he did say that, very specifically) — other posters say that is “good news”. Well.., that’s “Baghdad Bob” talk, and not facing up to the reality that a “loss” is a “loss”.

If a general fights a war and continually loses all the battles — it’s *time for an assessment* to see what to do differently *to win*. I’ve also said that some posters will be here, indefinitely, saying that Obama was never qualified and was “really” — *never President* in the first place.

Well, there’s an answer for that one, too.

We have an example in history of where a prior President (the 21st President) was *not qualified* to be President (per the Constitution) and covered up that fact by hiding paperwork, burning paperwork, lying about his birthday and also about his father’s citizenship, and so on. This was brought out by Leo Donofrio (you should know who he is). Leo *documented* that prior President who was not qualified — but — he was *still President* regardless.

This is the *reality* of the facts as we face them now.

And so — in the face of various “facts” and the refusal to face up to them (as they are “happening” in real life) then causes these various posters to lash out at those others who are bringing up these facts (and with these posters also acting like a group of “Baghdad Bobs” in the denial of all reality of “what is actually happening”).

So, that’s the reason why — when I bring up what is actually happening, why this thing or that thing won’t work, why it’s only Impeachment that will remove a President, pointing out that inauguration day is only a few days away, and so on — that this is considered to be “trolls” ... (instead of someone “pointing out the facts” of the matter).

It seems that certain posters no longer want the facts or reality — but rather — just a “wishful thinking” forum, where no one points out the “facts on the ground” to them. That’s not what I see Free Republic being about. It’s *recognizing* when something is not working, and figuring out *why* it’s not working — and then figuring out how to solve what is *not working*... That’s what it’s really about...

The other thing that has been brought up, too, is that the hoax over at API (African Press International) with the Michelle Obama tape, had Berg sucked in, too — because he signed up to be Chief Editor Korir’s attorney, here in the U.S. In addition Ed Hale (of that Internet radio program that some listen to) was also sucked into that hoax, by wanting to air that tape on his radio program, and then he said he was going to sue Chief Editor Korir for breach of contract for not following through with him. In the end, Chief Editor Korir actually showed how he followed a tactic called the “Dark Socratic methodology” in which you “punish” people because they believe such stupid things. And that’s what he was doing. I was also pointing out how if this sucked in Berg and Ed Hale, it’s this type of thing that is also sucking in a lot of other people, too (in various “hoaxes” about documentation or paperwork, or this being “out there” somewhere, or someone “has the document” and just has to transport it somewhere else to be safe, and so on...). There are all sorts of hoaxes out there and the courts are not going to take part in all these hoaxes...

And when Berg gets sucked into hoaxes (like Chief Editor Korir at API) and Berg takes cases where he is saying that President Bush was involved in the 9/11 attacks (i.e., in that he’s a “9/11 Truther”) — that does lead one to question what on earth Berg is doing... That’s a big consideration, too (and those are the facts of the matter).

It would seem that some posters would want to start paying very close attention to what Obama is going to be doing with Congress and what kind of bills and legislation is going to be put through and fighting against that — instead of going down these dead-end trails that have not panned out. The “real life” scenario that we have to face now — is happening with Obama *being in office* — and not so much with finding documentation that no one has been able to find and have a court act upon.

Oh, and one more thing... is being on Free Republic *fun* — yes it is. I’ve always enjoyed it here. BUT, certain posters are apparently “not enjoying” being on Free Republic and they think that no one should enjoy posting here, and simply be “extremely dour” in their postings... LOL... (that’s something that certain posters don’t like, the “LOL” either...).

But, it’s like Baghdad Bob, he was funny, too — when watching him and him saying that “everything is fine” — and behind him in the TV picture..., the war was coming closer to him... :-) There are *definitely* funny things being said and being posted on Free Republic, and that’s part of the “reality” of it, too.

Besides, as I’ve said before, good humor is better for one’s health. Instead, I see a lot of anger at pointing out the facts, instead of responding in humor in some of these postings. In addition, I just see a lot of name-calling, instead of responding in “thoughtful ways”.

So, that’s what is going on....


Some of the posts referenced are #74, #81, #84, #92, #93, #129, #131, #133, #135, #136, #143, #144,


155 posted on 01/17/2009 6:00:22 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Velveeta

ping to myself


156 posted on 01/17/2009 6:06:54 AM PST by vharlow (http://www.harlowhome.com)
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To: xcamel
And #6, also made famous on FR....

It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavorable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest...

157 posted on 01/17/2009 6:16:32 AM PST by Principled (They used the CRA to undermine capitalism. They're using ACORN to undermine democracy.)
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To: Star Traveler; All
You would be much more valueable to FR if you concentrated on the functional issues of FR rather than the technical mental instability of certain posters.

Chronic reposting
Posting Orgasms (escalation of above)
Refusal to Search (type excuse here)
Title/Headline Manipulation
Sales/Offers posting
Blog pipelining
PimpMyBlog (pointlessly/relentlessly)
FR is "one page deep" misperception
SAPP slaps supporting reposters (usually nasty)
Chronic Vanity Syndrome (only the lonely)
Sidebar Blindness

Some other things that would be helpful:
Individual moderator rules posted on their pages with an easier front page link to them (ie: http://www.freerepublic.com/~adminmoderator/)
The "Definitive Guide to FR" posted on a similar page
-AND-

A forced search prior to posting for correct topic and similar headline/content - Digg does a really good job of this.

JMNSHO and $.02

158 posted on 01/17/2009 6:19:34 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Star Traveler

I must say, #155 is a classic.


159 posted on 01/17/2009 6:25:48 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: xcamel

I’ll keep those in mind.

My own selfish motives for posting this, is simply, that some posters are hammering me... LOL...


160 posted on 01/17/2009 6:35:06 AM PST by Star Traveler
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