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COINTELPRO Techniques for dilution, misdirection and control of a internet forum. (Trolling 101)
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Posted on 01/16/2009 12:36:53 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator

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To: Kevmo
Seems to be the MO on fairtax threads too... I swear they all post from the same nasty Saul Alinsky playbook.
151 posted on 01/17/2009 5:21:06 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Kevmo; Diana in Wisconsin

addenda appreciated.

Offender please take note.


152 posted on 01/17/2009 5:23:34 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Sidebar Moderator

This is very important. Thanks for posting and giving us the knowledge of your experience.


153 posted on 01/17/2009 5:27:04 AM PST by abb ("What ISN'T in the news is often more important than what IS." Ed Biersmith, 1942 -)
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To: Sidebar Moderator

So what do we call this type of thread?

An Administrative Vanity?

: )


154 posted on 01/17/2009 5:47:02 AM PST by UCANSEE2 (The Last Boy Scout)
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To: hoosiermama; Kevmo; moder_ator; little jeremiah; Gondring; Admin Moderator; MHGinTN; xcamel; mlo; ..

I’m just including in the list of recipients, the ones who has been talking back and forth on this in particular. I don’t know why there’s an increasing number of different “moderator” inclusions, but I’ve included them, too...

Moderators are included here, as “copied” from the other posts...


hoosiermama said — “I appreciate your ping. Star travelor had been away from the threads for severl weeks and was trying to join in the conversation....There was no reason for the name calling except you recognized the name... Maybe the poster had a change of style....maybe even a change of heart...

Sorry sir but you were out of line then and are out of line now in thinking that name calling is a respectable form of communication or debate...and I’ll stand by my original post for you to stop it.

It’s a form of invalidation and is not acceptable between adults. No matter which side of the issue you are on......”


The problem here is that certain posters don’t like the ideas that I’ve presented — regardless of what my “foundational beliefs” are, as they have always been founded on the principle (in my view) that conservatism stems *foundationally* from the Christian faith and principles of the Bible. That’s how I approach conservative issues. But, that doesn’t make any difference to some posters.

The problem that these certain posters have is that they don’t like *any* disagreement with their viewpoint, as if the only one that can be voiced is theirs — and if anyone voices another — then it’s got to be trolls, or Obots, or a “gang” of trolls and so on. It’s gotten to be *so conspiracy-minded* too.

What’s the issue that drives this (for those others)? Very simply that they don’t think that Obama qualifies under the Constitution. Now, regardless of the fact that I hammered on the very same issues *before* the election, and then saw that I lost (and I didn’t vote for Obama... LOL..) — I saw that this issue *was going nowhere* and not even our own President, Vice President, Republican legislators, Electoral College, or Supreme Court was going anywhere with the issue. It was all being turned down to defeat.

Well, my view on why that’s happening is that there is a *big hole* in the system, in the vetting process, that allowed it to happen *without* specific documents being produced. The problem here — is very simply — that no one can *produce* documentation to prove that there is a problem, and also, Obama has not been *required* to produce specific documentation *by law*. — That’s the problem. —

Now, I say that there’s a *big denial of reality* here — in basically *recognizing* that the problem is in the *system* that allowed this kind of vetting to go on. So, in pointing this out and saying that they’re going down the wrong track and not really achieving any results — that’s said to be a “troll” or an “Obot” (and a lot more, too...).

But, all this “common sense” is so much “nonsense” to those who are “rabid” in their assertions that Obama is violating the Constitution. The fact of the matter is that I haven’t seen any court take up the *legal documentation* to even prove such a thing. So, at this point — without any proof — it’s just a lot of speculation.

Now — I’ve proposed (for quite a while now) that the various states put forth legislation to *require* specific documentation (written expressly in the statute) so that either it’s produced and the Constitutional requirement is verified that way — or else — the Candidate cannot be placed on the ballot.

Here in Oklahoma, a bill was just put in doing *that very thing*. And I’ve said that I’m going to be working on that one, to see that it gets through, and gets through in a good form. That will be *exactly* the process we need to “close up the loophole” that has allowed all these questions to go *unanswered* (and they are “unanswered” because no one has any court acting on anything here, in terms of either *blocking* Obama from taking office, or *removing* Obama from office).

Another point that has been made is that the Constitution allows one method for removing a President from his office, and that’s by means of Impeachment and Conviction (the House and the Senate). Now, certain other posters have claimed that *since* (note that...) Obama is not qualified, he’s really *not President* (at that future time) — and thus — all that is needed is simply to have a Marshal walk into the White House, with court orders and “remove Obama from the premises” — and that’s how we get Obama out of the White House. I’ve also commented on that one, that it’s not possible because of the separation of powers between the three branches of government.

IN ADDITION — it’s getting to be ridiculous in that certain posters *absolutely fervent desire* to remove Obama from office is so *obsessive* (and compulsive) that they have lost touch with reality and have become like “Baghdad Bob” in that any “loss” (like what Berg said in his case was a *setback*, and he did say that, very specifically) — other posters say that is “good news”. Well.., that’s “Baghdad Bob” talk, and not facing up to the reality that a “loss” is a “loss”.

If a general fights a war and continually loses all the battles — it’s *time for an assessment* to see what to do differently *to win*. I’ve also said that some posters will be here, indefinitely, saying that Obama was never qualified and was “really” — *never President* in the first place.

Well, there’s an answer for that one, too.

We have an example in history of where a prior President (the 21st President) was *not qualified* to be President (per the Constitution) and covered up that fact by hiding paperwork, burning paperwork, lying about his birthday and also about his father’s citizenship, and so on. This was brought out by Leo Donofrio (you should know who he is). Leo *documented* that prior President who was not qualified — but — he was *still President* regardless.

This is the *reality* of the facts as we face them now.

And so — in the face of various “facts” and the refusal to face up to them (as they are “happening” in real life) then causes these various posters to lash out at those others who are bringing up these facts (and with these posters also acting like a group of “Baghdad Bobs” in the denial of all reality of “what is actually happening”).

So, that’s the reason why — when I bring up what is actually happening, why this thing or that thing won’t work, why it’s only Impeachment that will remove a President, pointing out that inauguration day is only a few days away, and so on — that this is considered to be “trolls” ... (instead of someone “pointing out the facts” of the matter).

It seems that certain posters no longer want the facts or reality — but rather — just a “wishful thinking” forum, where no one points out the “facts on the ground” to them. That’s not what I see Free Republic being about. It’s *recognizing* when something is not working, and figuring out *why* it’s not working — and then figuring out how to solve what is *not working*... That’s what it’s really about...

The other thing that has been brought up, too, is that the hoax over at API (African Press International) with the Michelle Obama tape, had Berg sucked in, too — because he signed up to be Chief Editor Korir’s attorney, here in the U.S. In addition Ed Hale (of that Internet radio program that some listen to) was also sucked into that hoax, by wanting to air that tape on his radio program, and then he said he was going to sue Chief Editor Korir for breach of contract for not following through with him. In the end, Chief Editor Korir actually showed how he followed a tactic called the “Dark Socratic methodology” in which you “punish” people because they believe such stupid things. And that’s what he was doing. I was also pointing out how if this sucked in Berg and Ed Hale, it’s this type of thing that is also sucking in a lot of other people, too (in various “hoaxes” about documentation or paperwork, or this being “out there” somewhere, or someone “has the document” and just has to transport it somewhere else to be safe, and so on...). There are all sorts of hoaxes out there and the courts are not going to take part in all these hoaxes...

And when Berg gets sucked into hoaxes (like Chief Editor Korir at API) and Berg takes cases where he is saying that President Bush was involved in the 9/11 attacks (i.e., in that he’s a “9/11 Truther”) — that does lead one to question what on earth Berg is doing... That’s a big consideration, too (and those are the facts of the matter).

It would seem that some posters would want to start paying very close attention to what Obama is going to be doing with Congress and what kind of bills and legislation is going to be put through and fighting against that — instead of going down these dead-end trails that have not panned out. The “real life” scenario that we have to face now — is happening with Obama *being in office* — and not so much with finding documentation that no one has been able to find and have a court act upon.

Oh, and one more thing... is being on Free Republic *fun* — yes it is. I’ve always enjoyed it here. BUT, certain posters are apparently “not enjoying” being on Free Republic and they think that no one should enjoy posting here, and simply be “extremely dour” in their postings... LOL... (that’s something that certain posters don’t like, the “LOL” either...).

But, it’s like Baghdad Bob, he was funny, too — when watching him and him saying that “everything is fine” — and behind him in the TV picture..., the war was coming closer to him... :-) There are *definitely* funny things being said and being posted on Free Republic, and that’s part of the “reality” of it, too.

Besides, as I’ve said before, good humor is better for one’s health. Instead, I see a lot of anger at pointing out the facts, instead of responding in humor in some of these postings. In addition, I just see a lot of name-calling, instead of responding in “thoughtful ways”.

So, that’s what is going on....


Some of the posts referenced are #74, #81, #84, #92, #93, #129, #131, #133, #135, #136, #143, #144,


155 posted on 01/17/2009 6:00:22 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Velveeta

ping to myself


156 posted on 01/17/2009 6:06:54 AM PST by vharlow (http://www.harlowhome.com)
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To: xcamel
And #6, also made famous on FR....

It is important to also be harvesting and continually maneuvering for a forum moderator position. Once this position is obtained, the forum can then be effectively and quietly controlled by deleting unfavorable postings - and one can eventually steer the forum into complete failure and lack of interest...

157 posted on 01/17/2009 6:16:32 AM PST by Principled (They used the CRA to undermine capitalism. They're using ACORN to undermine democracy.)
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To: Star Traveler; All
You would be much more valueable to FR if you concentrated on the functional issues of FR rather than the technical mental instability of certain posters.

Chronic reposting
Posting Orgasms (escalation of above)
Refusal to Search (type excuse here)
Title/Headline Manipulation
Sales/Offers posting
Blog pipelining
PimpMyBlog (pointlessly/relentlessly)
FR is "one page deep" misperception
SAPP slaps supporting reposters (usually nasty)
Chronic Vanity Syndrome (only the lonely)
Sidebar Blindness

Some other things that would be helpful:
Individual moderator rules posted on their pages with an easier front page link to them (ie: http://www.freerepublic.com/~adminmoderator/)
The "Definitive Guide to FR" posted on a similar page
-AND-

A forced search prior to posting for correct topic and similar headline/content - Digg does a really good job of this.

JMNSHO and $.02

158 posted on 01/17/2009 6:19:34 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Star Traveler

I must say, #155 is a classic.


159 posted on 01/17/2009 6:25:48 AM PST by Judith Anne
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To: xcamel

I’ll keep those in mind.

My own selfish motives for posting this, is simply, that some posters are hammering me... LOL...


160 posted on 01/17/2009 6:35:06 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Lurker
You should see the socks I have on today...

What color are they?

161 posted on 01/17/2009 7:10:52 AM PST by Allegra
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To: Lurker
You should see the socks I have on today...

What color are they?

162 posted on 01/17/2009 7:10:55 AM PST by Allegra
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To: Sidebar Moderator

You signed up on 05-09-2001 just to post this? ;-)


163 posted on 01/17/2009 7:12:13 AM PST by Allegra
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To: Judith Anne; Brad's Gramma

You are welcome to use them...They hang above my computer with this:

I don’t have a weight problem. It’s a furniture problem. My chest has fallen into my drawers.


164 posted on 01/17/2009 7:17:26 AM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: Sidebar Moderator

I am delighted that you have researched and are aware of these techniques. That means you may be ready. Please remain vigilant!


165 posted on 01/17/2009 7:20:27 AM PST by Lazamataz (Illegal Zombies: Just Eating the Brains that Ordinary Americans Won't Eat)
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To: Allegra
Actually today I have on two pairs since it's unbelievably cold here.

One is a nice pair of black silk and those are covered with a nice fluffy set made of Merino wool, a light grey in color.

I've topped that off with a yummy pair of fuzzy slippers that Mrs. L (who has MUCH love for me) got me for Christmas.

Our best to you my dear.

L

166 posted on 01/17/2009 7:28:50 AM PST by Lurker ("America is at that awkward stage. " Claire Wolfe, call your office.)
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To: Lurker

Icelandic wool is better, and warmer. Every freeper knows that.

(as an example)


167 posted on 01/17/2009 8:34:22 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: Star Traveler
My own selfish motives for posting this, is simply, that some posters are hammering me... LOL...

Let 'em hammer you. They're hammering me too. No big deal. It's just killing certain individuals here that Jim won't zot our accounts. I know every morning they're clicking on our names (supposedly there's about 25 of us) expecting to see "this account has been banned or suspended" and it's eating them up that we're still here, refusing to allow their absurd claims to go unchallenged on a public forum.

BTW, I like the "Bagdad Bob" analogy. It's perfect.

168 posted on 01/17/2009 9:02:55 AM PST by Drew68
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To: Drew68

Yeah, about the Baghdad Bob analogy — it’s exactly what some are doing... and you gotta laugh about that one...


169 posted on 01/17/2009 9:26:00 AM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Lurker

Hm...s that technique number 4?


170 posted on 01/17/2009 10:14:52 AM PST by rlmorel ("A barrel of monkeys is not fun. In fact, a barrel of monkeys can be quite terrifying!")
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To: Allegra
"...You signed up on 05-09-2001 just to post this? "

ROTFLMAO! It is posts like THAT that make me login to FR nearly every day...:)

171 posted on 01/17/2009 10:31:41 AM PST by rlmorel ("A barrel of monkeys is not fun. In fact, a barrel of monkeys can be quite terrifying!")
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To: Sidebar Moderator

Bump! ;)


172 posted on 01/17/2009 12:52:15 PM PST by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ Pro-Palin & NObama Gear : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: TigersEye

I did see where Obama dropped his Blackberry and SS picked it up for him. The article I read was hoping it broke and it would solve the legal problem of POTUS having his own phone line and the legal problems it can cause. Obama will consistently buck the system and do it anyway. Maybe they will tap his ultra secret phone calls like they did Blago. Hee!


173 posted on 01/17/2009 4:40:57 PM PST by MirandaRietz
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To: MirandaRietz

I thought your point about Zer0 using his network of phone/web minions was very interesting. That immediately made me think of his Blackberry mishap. He can summon instant responses from his web-zombies.


174 posted on 01/17/2009 5:08:47 PM PST by TigersEye (80 million men. One shot each.)
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To: xcamel; little jeremiah; MHGinTN; Kevmo; lucysmom

I don’t follow the fairtax stuff very closely. There’s only so many hours in a day. Here’s something from LJ on a fairtax disruptor who migrated to the CoLB threads for more. LJ, if you want to proceed on hitting the abuse button and establishing trollhood with the poster, that seems to be the process. I don’t trust the process. It isn’t out in the open, too secretive, too capricious, and a person could be accused of being a troll without ever having a chance to defend herself. That doesn’t sound like the proper conservative approach. And besides, with the admin mod first kicking out “searchin” the troll for keyword abuse and then another admin mod refusing to look into the same sort of thing later on, I don’t have much confidence that trollhood would be any better handled.

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Saturday, January 17, 2009 3:15:26 PM · 1,086 of 1,114
little jeremiah to MHGinTN; Kevmo
lucysmom has posted exclusively, up until recently, on the Fair Tax thread/s. Someone said yesterday on the Trolling thread that there are people posting on the Fair Tax issue using Alinsky methods. Those methods are being used extensively here as well. The motives are not to help discern truth or promote discussion, the motives are to blurr and hide the truth, and foil discussion.

Using nastiness, disrespect and agressive derision as tactics, when called on this, they play the victim card and say others are calling them names.

They think no one sees their methodolgy, but they are wrong. Many people just don’t want to participate on these - my conjecture - because they don’t want the dog pack to bark at and bite them. Looks like another method to control the discussion.

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175 posted on 01/17/2009 7:53:03 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Kevmo

There is keyword abuse on this thread, I hit abuse about it a while ago, now there are more keywords, and hoosiermama said to try hitting abuse again.

What’s the point of alerting mods to stuff like this if they don’t pay attention to it?

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2162033/posts?page=1115

KEYWORDS: 114birthers; 8balls; 911truthers; bho2008; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; conspiracytheories; eligibility; getalife; itsover; nutballs; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; robertscourt; scotus; screwballs; trollsonparade; whereisrush; Click to Add Keyword


176 posted on 01/17/2009 8:10:51 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Admin Moderator; hoosiermama

Oopse - meant to ping Admin and hoosiermama to my comment about keywords.


177 posted on 01/17/2009 8:12:01 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Star Traveler; Admin Moderator; All

I haven’t read your post, but I think I’ll take the admin moderator’s offer up and hit the abuse button & call you out as a troll, which is basically what I’ve been doing on that other thread. So I’ll hit the abuse button and see what kind of exchange is required to prove that you fit the definition of troll as stated on this thread.


178 posted on 01/17/2009 8:14:11 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: little jeremiah

What’s the point of alerting mods to stuff like this if they don’t pay attention to it?
***Pretty much exactly why I haven’t bothered. I do not understand it. The effect it has on discussion is to embolden trolls.


179 posted on 01/17/2009 8:18:22 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: little jeremiah; Sidebar Moderator

I also hit the abuse button. Twice That’s what we were told to do. Maybe moderator is at lunch, bathroombreak, or “busy”...

I’m sure they will monitor this thread as requested and remove the keyword abuse, again and again and again. Who ever is doing it replaces words almost as soon as they are removed if the pervious pattern is continued..


180 posted on 01/17/2009 8:20:43 PM PST by hoosiermama (Berg is a liberal democrat. Keyes is a conservative. Obama is bringing us together already!)
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To: Kevmo; Admin Moderator; hoosiermama; little jeremiah; xcamel; mlo

You said — “I haven’t read your post, but I think I’ll take the admin moderator’s offer up and hit the abuse button & call you out as a troll, which is basically what I’ve been doing on that other thread. So I’ll hit the abuse button and see what kind of exchange is required to prove that you fit the definition of troll as stated on this thread.”

Ummm..., a troll when you didn’t read my post at ...
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2165967/posts?page=155#155

I would think that one should read it first before determining whether it was “trollish”... LOL...


181 posted on 01/17/2009 8:21:07 PM PST by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

I posted already that I’m not going to read your posts, so if they have something of substance, another freeper is going to have to direct my attention to it.

But I’ll be happy to read every word of your posts once again, if the admin mod needs that to establish a case that you’re a troll. The very first sentence of the definition talks about “specious arguments” and you’ve got that part down in spades.


182 posted on 01/17/2009 8:27:59 PM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: Kevmo; Polarik

I checked out the individual you mentioned above once she started in on the eligibility threads, and noted that she had posted almost exclusively on the Fair Tax threads for many pp of comments. I can’t grasp that stuff so I didn’t bother to read the comments, then someone else up the this thread mentioned about the Alinsky methods on the Fair Tax threads so I put two and two together.

Another thing I’ve noted is the attempts to get Polarik to reveal his real name, etc. One person - I think the lucy person - when I said that no one knew Buckhead’s real name - said that Buckhead’s findings weren’t that great anyway, or words to that effect.

If people don’t think that Polarik’s analysis has any value unless he reveals his legal name, then their freaking opinions have no value unless they reveal their names. I’ve invited one person who trolls those threads occasionally to pony up with his personal info, if opinions are worthless without it.

(Courtesy pink to Polarik.)


183 posted on 01/17/2009 8:37:10 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator

Interesting food for thought.

One thing that a seasoned forum like FR has going for it is that there are a lot of veterans here who can usually sniff out a troll fairly quickly. Some of the techniques described, however, do not necessarily lend themselves to sniffing out what we normally think of as “trolls” - - liberals trying to pretend they are normal, thinking humans.

No, the goal of professional trolls is not to influence opinion but simply to disrupt forums which they believe can influence political opinion.

I found “forum sliding” to be the most interesting technique, and I have often thought I sensed the technique in action. Freepers should try to remember to bump truly great threads throughout the course of the day in order to keep them in view. For example, sometimes in the morning I bump great threads from the previous evening - - “BUMP for the morning crew”.


184 posted on 01/17/2009 8:51:53 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: little jeremiah; LucyT
Another thing I’ve noted is the attempts to get Polarik to reveal his real name, etc. One person - I think the lucy person - when I said that no one knew Buckhead’s real name - said that Buckhead’s findings weren’t that great anyway, or words to that effect.

Thanks, LJ, you are right about the trolls (and I could care less what they call me), but you might wish to check with Lucy herself about Buckhead as that was before my time on Free Republic, as I joined in mid-June as the Hannity forum I started on was way behind the curve on the birth certificate issue. BTW, I've CC:ed her with this reply.

185 posted on 01/17/2009 8:55:44 PM PST by Polarik ("A forgery created to prove a claim repudiates that claim")
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To: little jeremiah
Another thing I’ve noted is the attempts to get Polarik to reveal his real name, etc. One person - I think the lucy person - when I said that no one knew Buckhead’s real name - said that Buckhead’s findings weren’t that great anyway, or words to that effect.

Actually, could you be thinking of Lucysmom? (different FReeper)

186 posted on 01/17/2009 8:57:22 PM PST by Polarik ("A forgery created to prove a claim repudiates that claim")
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To: Polarik

I couldn’t remember which person opined that Buckhead’s reseraching debunking the forged letter wasn’t that great; it might have been her.

Heck, I was on that live thread and it was exciting; and Buckhead’s work on it was great. Even though he didn’t reveal his legal name.


187 posted on 01/17/2009 9:00:13 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Polarik; little jeremiah

Ignore them. The people who need to know, already know.

How many trolls are willing to reveal their real name, address, phone # and CV on Free Republic?


188 posted on 01/17/2009 9:02:21 PM PST by LucyT
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To: little jeremiah; Polarik

I wasn’t on the Buckhead threads. What years were the Buckhead research happening? Was I registered on FR during that time period?


189 posted on 01/17/2009 9:06:18 PM PST by LucyT
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To: LucyT; Polarik

It wasn’t LucyT - she’s not a troll!

It was either the other lucysmom or someone else.

I don’t remember when the Buckhead expose of the forgery was - I’ve been here since late 2002 but it was at least a couple of years after that.

And no one pooh-poohed Buckhead because he didn’t reveal his actual name. And there weren’t trolls spewing all over the place, either.


190 posted on 01/17/2009 10:58:40 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Admin Moderator

The keyword spam is still there:

KEYWORDS: 114birthers; 8balls; 911truthers; bho2008; birthcertificate; birthers; certifigate; conspiracytheories; eligibility; getalife; itsover; nutballs; obama; obamanoncitizenissue; robertscourt; scotus; screwballs; trollsonparade; whereisrush; Click to Add Keyword

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2162033/posts?page=1130#1130


191 posted on 01/17/2009 11:02:16 PM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
PING
192 posted on 01/18/2009 12:07:53 AM PST by smokingfrog (Never underestimate the influence of a wife who bitch-slaps her husband in public.)
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To: Lancey Howard
"One thing that a seasoned forum like FR has going for it is that there are a lot of veterans here who can usually sniff out a troll fairly quickly."

The old timers call it "10,000 BS seeking missiles"

And they can be very accurate.

193 posted on 01/18/2009 6:02:39 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: little jeremiah
I know that. Lucy was the one who told me all about BuckHead.

It must have been lucysmom.

194 posted on 01/18/2009 6:06:17 AM PST by Polarik ("A forgery created to prove a claim repudiates that claim")
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To: xcamel
Some other things that would be helpful: Individual moderator rules posted on their pages with an easier front page link to them (ie: http://www.freerepublic.com/~adminmoderator/)

The "Definitive Guide to FR" posted on a similar page -AND-

A forced search prior to posting for correct topic and similar headline/content - Digg does a really good job of this.

Oh heck yes! Excellent suggestions all. Does it do any good for me to second them? :-)

195 posted on 01/18/2009 6:44:25 AM PST by Starfleet Command
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To: toomanygrasshoppers

Ping


196 posted on 01/18/2009 8:56:26 AM PST by FrogHawk (watchforlowflyingfrogs)
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To: Star Traveler; Admin Moderator; All

In particular I accuse Star Traveler to be an Issue Specific troll, in this case the issue is CoLB. The Orly Taitz interview thread would likely suffice to show her to be such a troll:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2162033/posts

That is, if FR is going to be using the definition cited in this thread as the operating definition. Does it not apply to specific issue trolling? Having a long term signup date is not evidence against trolling behavior on specific issues, such as FairTax. At least the definition above makes no mention of seniority or signup dates as a proof against trollhood.


197 posted on 01/18/2009 9:50:38 AM PST by Kevmo ( It's all over for this Country as a Constitutional Republic. ~Leo Donofrio, 12/14/08)
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To: little jeremiah
Another thing I’ve noted is the attempts to get Polarik to reveal his real name, etc. One person - I think the lucy person - when I said that no one knew Buckhead’s real name - said that Buckhead’s findings weren’t that great anyway, or words to that effect.

Noting that Polarik doesn't use his real name does not equal an attempt to get him to reveal his real name.

Re Buckhead - I said like a stopped clock he turned out to be right, however his analysis was flawed. I stand by that statement.

If people don’t think that Polarik’s analysis has any value unless he reveals his legal name, then their freaking opinions have no value unless they reveal their names.

Just curious about the credentials of someone who makes a claim that runs counter to my experience.

BTW, isn't it accepted practice to ping the person you're talking about?

198 posted on 01/18/2009 10:16:37 AM PST by lucysmom
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To: Kevmo; Admin Moderator

It appears that keyword trolldom is fine, statements by mods to the contrary. Maybe mods think this topic is kookery.


199 posted on 01/18/2009 10:28:44 AM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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To: lucysmom

How Buckhead’s analysis flawed? That’s not how I remember it.
And what are you talking about when you say “counter to my experience”?


200 posted on 01/18/2009 10:31:29 AM PST by little jeremiah (Leave illusion, come to the truth. Leave the darkness, come to the light.)
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