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Microsoft Ordered to Delete Browser
Associated Press / New York Times ^ | January 16, 2009

Posted on 01/17/2009 3:46:50 AM PST by reaganaut1

BRUSSELS (AP) — The European Union said Friday that Microsoft’s practice of selling the Internet Explorer browser together with its Windows operating system violated the union’s antitrust rules.

It ordered the software giant to untie the browser from its operating system in the 27-nation union, enabling makers of rival browsers to compete fairly.

“Microsoft’s tying of Internet Explorer to the Windows operating system harms competition between Web browsers, undermines product innovation and ultimately reduces consumer choice,” the E.U. said in a statement.

It gave Microsoft eight weeks to respond, adding that the company could defend its position in a hearing if it found that useful.

(Excerpt) Read more at nytimes.com ...


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It's not the business of government to tell Microsoft what it can include in its operating system. There is no Windows "monopoly". People can use Mac OS X or Linux. Microsoft has so much market share because it does not operate as a vertical monopolist as Apple does. It licenses its operating system to many manufacturers, resulting in lower costs to consumers.

It is convenient for Windows to come with the Internet Explorer browser, and they can install alternatives such as FireFox in a few minutes. What's the problem?

1 posted on 01/17/2009 3:46:50 AM PST by reaganaut1
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To: reaganaut1

M$ ought to just tell the EU to live without Windows and Office from now on.


2 posted on 01/17/2009 3:49:32 AM PST by SeeSharp
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To: reaganaut1

Mircosoft should simply ignore these fools just to see what happens.


3 posted on 01/17/2009 3:51:09 AM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: reaganaut1

“..............could defend its position in a hearing if it found that useful.”


4 posted on 01/17/2009 3:55:12 AM PST by Sparky1776
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To: Fzob

You’re right. What can they do? Microsoft probably has more money than the EU, so they can’t hurt them there.

For all the problems with Microsoft, just think that most of us wouldn’t even have a computer if Microsoft hadn’t made it easy for us.


5 posted on 01/17/2009 3:56:40 AM PST by wolfpat (Revolt, and re-establish the Constitution as the law of the land!)
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To: reaganaut1

I’m trying to think of an alternative means of someone who isn’t that familiar with computers installing an internet browser, and it’s not coming to mind very easily.

How did I install FireFox? Well, I logged onto Internet Explorer, typed in FireFox into Google, and downloaded it.

These anti-Microsoft fools are making life harder on everyone.


6 posted on 01/17/2009 3:56:46 AM PST by CaspersGh0sts
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To: reaganaut1

Careful, you’re not allowed to say anything negative about Apple or anything positive about Microsoft on this board.


7 posted on 01/17/2009 4:05:34 AM PST by Fresh Wind (Hey, Obama! Where's my check?)
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To: reaganaut1

You watch Microsoft will just have it programmed to automatically download with Windows Update anyways.


8 posted on 01/17/2009 4:08:06 AM PST by mainepatsfan
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To: wolfpat
Microsoft probably has more money than the EU...

Which is why these lawsuits are happening!

9 posted on 01/17/2009 4:08:23 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: reaganaut1
I'm no fan of Microsoft : I made this post made using a Puppy Linux live cd on a computer with Windows on the hard drive. This meddling is worse. People are already free to download Linux at no cost so this interference is even more unjustified than normal.
10 posted on 01/17/2009 4:12:47 AM PST by Nateman (If liberals aren't screaming you're doing it wrong.)
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To: reaganaut1

Jealous little EU. Any time anything is successful, it becomes a target for them. They’ve been after Microsoft for years.


11 posted on 01/17/2009 4:15:44 AM PST by livius
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To: reaganaut1

I am curious how the Free Trader/Globalists are going to explain this one away...

Microsoft has no choice but to follow the EU....or they will lose a lucrative market. Lets see them try to recoup their European losses by selling to low-paid Asians and Latin Americans (good luck). Maybe they can adjust their browsers to not allow Falun Gong or Christian websites in Communist China...

I really have little sympathy for Microsoft....for they are so quick to fire Americans and hire foreigners....and campaign for the US to bring in illegals and H1-B visas. Their push to de-Americanize themselves has hit a huge roadblock...and their options are either bad...or not so good.


12 posted on 01/17/2009 4:18:21 AM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (The US Chamber of Commerce is really the Anti-American Collective of Communists)
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To: mainepatsfan
Oh like Safari was trying to do with iTunes updater.

The problem with decoupling IE is that it really isn't decoupled. Outlook and Explorer are both intertwined with the functionality as is the desktop and menus. Uninstalling IE on any windows OS since Win95 would render the GUI almost inoperable.

13 posted on 01/17/2009 4:20:21 AM PST by Woodman ("One of the most striking differences between a cat and a lie is that a cat has only nine lives." PW)
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To: reaganaut1

AAARRRUUUUUUUUUGGGAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!

Semper Fidelis
Dick G
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14 posted on 01/17/2009 4:21:15 AM PST by gunnyg
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To: reaganaut1
violated the union’s antitrust rules.

Does DeBeers know that they have anti trust rules in Europe

15 posted on 01/17/2009 4:21:17 AM PST by grjr21
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To: gunnyg

*** Gill Bates!


16 posted on 01/17/2009 4:23:09 AM PST by gunnyg
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To: Erik Latranyi
I've been playing around with the IE 8.0 Beta browser and it's pretty good.

Certainly the best browser Microsoft has yet produced.

For that matter, the Windows 7 Beta rocks as well. I installed it over my Vista OS several days ago and haven't looked back. Very exciting products.

17 posted on 01/17/2009 4:23:23 AM PST by billorites
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To: reaganaut1

No sorrow here. Microsoft cheats. Microsoft used its operating system to promote Word which killed off Word Perfect. Microsoft used its operating system to promote Excel which killed off Lotus 1,2,3. Microsoft used its operating system to promote Explorer which killed off Netscape.

Microsoft stole Apple’s technology to develop Windows. Apple only responded in court too late and too little.

No question about it, Microsoft cheats.


18 posted on 01/17/2009 4:23:48 AM PST by svxdave (Life is too short to wear a fake Rolex.)
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To: reaganaut1

Europe is going to be forced to buy something, and the thing will have to work. That’s irony.


19 posted on 01/17/2009 4:24:40 AM PST by sig226 (1/21/12 . . . He's not my president . . . Impeach Obama . . . whatever)
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To: reaganaut1
The EU is filled with geniuses...

So how can one download a competitive browser on one’s new OS installation if there's no browser at all? Going to have to have a browser installation CD on hand first... What about all the OS patches and drivers required on a new installation all requiring a browser?

Microsoft ought to remove it just to spite the EU. Then see how the people feel about their retarded bureaucrats in charge...

20 posted on 01/17/2009 4:24:49 AM PST by DB
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To: reaganaut1

Microsoft may not be perfect, but it works for me far more hours a day than any of my Congressmen, and is a lot cheaper, too.


21 posted on 01/17/2009 4:25:58 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: reaganaut1

Microsoft should simply do as the EU demands, but then CHARGE every stinking European person TRIPLE the price to download and install Internet Explorer....

...especially after the EU geeks come to realize how indepsensible Microsoft and Internet Explorer really are in the world of computers.


22 posted on 01/17/2009 4:26:20 AM PST by Edit35 (.)
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To: svxdave

Apple hardly has clean hands.

Ever heard of Xerox?

Excel and Word cost money and always have. Word Perfect and Lotus 123 failed to compete.

Hardly the same thing as Netscape trying to compete with free. Microsoft did kill Netscape.


23 posted on 01/17/2009 4:29:53 AM PST by DB
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To: reaganaut1

So is the EU going to demand that Apple not ship Safari with OSX?


24 posted on 01/17/2009 4:33:40 AM PST by DB
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To: DB

Good question :-)


25 posted on 01/17/2009 4:37:39 AM PST by cartan
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To: Fresh Wind

“Careful, you’re not allowed to say anything negative about Apple or anything positive about Microsoft on this board.”

News to me. Ive been here more than 10 years.


26 posted on 01/17/2009 4:38:18 AM PST by DB
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To: reaganaut1

This silly attack by the EU has been going on for so long that it’s now completely irrelevant.

There are dozens of free browsers, so to speak of “innovation,” “competition,” and “choice” is preposterous.

You want a replacement for IE? Go to the Internet and download it in one minute, and another one minute to install it.

This is what happens when you have a bureaucracy that’s stuck on stupid.


27 posted on 01/17/2009 4:40:14 AM PST by angkor ("All you could hope for ...in the world's most august deliberative body." - Baldwin on Franken)
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To: reaganaut1

And while I’m at it, is the EU going to demand that Linix not be free? It is a full OS which is drastically more substantial than just some Internet browser...

After all it is pretty hard to compete with free, just ask Netscape.


28 posted on 01/17/2009 4:41:26 AM PST by DB
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To: reaganaut1

I wrote my own Notepad program. It’s unfair that Microsoft includes Notepad with Windows because it does not allow me to compete fairly with Microsoft’s Notepad, so they should take Notepad out of Windows.


29 posted on 01/17/2009 4:41:52 AM PST by Mannaggia l'America
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To: DB

Oops... Make that Linux...


30 posted on 01/17/2009 4:43:10 AM PST by DB
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To: DB
Ever heard of Xerox?

thank you.

31 posted on 01/17/2009 4:48:31 AM PST by Michael Barnes
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To: Nateman

“I made this post made using a Puppy Linux live cd...”
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Good for you, but your link does not work.


32 posted on 01/17/2009 4:48:55 AM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: reaganaut1
The EU needs to give this a rest. It takes all of 5 minutes to google alternative browsers, such as Firefox, and download them from the internet. I think its also helpful to have some browser come automatically preinstalled on every computer and IE is a good choice for this since Microsoft can ship it along with Windows.
33 posted on 01/17/2009 4:53:49 AM PST by LuxAerterna
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To: reaganaut1

I thought if you deleted IE from Windows you’d have major problems with updating?


34 posted on 01/17/2009 5:04:25 AM PST by Mobile Vulgus
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To: reaganaut1
I've never understood the whole Internet Explorer furor. I started with Windows 3.1 and always had other web browsers installed on my computers. My Windows 3.1, 95, 98 and XP computers always had/have at least 5 or 6 different web browsers installed, and I just use the one I like the best and ignore the rest unless I find a web site that requires the Microsoft product to display properly.

All my Linux installations have at least 4 or 5 different browsers installed, for the same reasons. I try out different browsers on Windows and Linux boxes and use the ones I like and ignore the rest.

Or is that too simple-minded for some folks?

;^)

35 posted on 01/17/2009 5:16:33 AM PST by Dumpster Baby ((Sigh) Some days, it's just not worth trying to chew through the restraints.)
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To: reaganaut1

The EU and others even in our own USA, mostly Libs, have an agenda to destroy the free market system. Chipping away a little piece at a time. Remember the days before MS? Commodore, IBM, Tandy, Curtis Sinclair and more. No standards and one system to the next could not communicate or even share files with each other. Like it or not MS (with Apple technology) came up with windows and made it possible to get where we are now on a global level. And as has already been mentioned, Firefox and Google Chrome can easily be downloaded and used instead. I use them all depending on what I want to do or where I want to go on the web.

I think I’ll go download the new IE8 beta and give it a spin on Al Gore’s internet thingy! :-)


36 posted on 01/17/2009 5:21:07 AM PST by Radio Free American?
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To: reaganaut1
How is one supposed to “Google” firefox or opera and install a browser if no browser is present by default?
37 posted on 01/17/2009 5:23:47 AM PST by al44
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Microsoft stole Apple’s technology to develop Windows

Really? Exactly what "technology" did Microsoft "steal" from Apple?

As far as I understand it, Microsoft decided that the GUI interface (which Apple had... ahem, appropriated from Xerox, was the way of the future. Kudos to both Steve Jobs and Bill Gates for their development of the GUI. Jobs was pissed off that he exposed his next product to Gates and Gates immediatly persued it as well. That said, it's a HELL of a long way from "stealing technology". Both men had the foresight to develop Xerox's technology. I get annoyed when the Apple fans repeat this canard. If you can show me the code that Microsoft copied from Apple to figure out how to do something, you would have a case. As it is they both persued the same idea. If anyone is an injured party here, it is Xerox.

38 posted on 01/17/2009 5:28:54 AM PST by DCBurgess58
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So is the EU going to demand that Apple not ship Safari with OSX?

Not even close. If you remove Safari from OSX, the OS still works. If you take IE out of Windows, the cracks appear.

39 posted on 01/17/2009 5:31:15 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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So how can one download a competitive browser on one’s new OS installation if there's no browser at all?

Gee, maybe the same way everybody did it for years, by using FTP?

It's what the browsers use internally for downloads, anyway.

And who says there can't be a browser there?

The point is to have browsers that aren't so tied into the OS that others can't compete, not to have no browsers.

40 posted on 01/17/2009 5:34:39 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: svxdave
No question about it, Microsoft cheats.

Some call it cheating. You hear that a lot. But it's really only that MS had a better business model, delivering greater total value to its customers than any of its competitors.

41 posted on 01/17/2009 5:40:50 AM PST by BlueYonder
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To: BlueYonder

you can thank kaliphornia for giving eu the idea to do this


42 posted on 01/17/2009 5:41:40 AM PST by chuck_the_tv_out
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To: Izzy Dunne
Then IE is a part of the OS,not a bundled app,and as such,the EU arguments and order are ridiculous.

For years ,anyone who wants to has been able to download or even have sent free to their home or business,Ubuntu linux on CD.

As much as I dislike some M$ practices,the EU is trying to close the barn door after the horse is out!

IF M$ had been prevented from providing any web browsers,Netscape would probably be still dominant.

AOL actually killed off Netscape,after buying it.

43 posted on 01/17/2009 5:44:11 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: DCBurgess58
Both men had the foresight to develop Xerox's technology. I get annoyed when the Apple fans repeat this canard. If you can show me the code that Microsoft copied from Apple to figure out how to do something, you would have a case. As it is they both persued the same idea. If anyone is an injured party here, it is Xerox.

I suppose you forgot the Canyon episode?

Or the threats that Gates & co. made to Apple?

I suppose you forgot the fact that Apple paid for (not stole) the technology from Xerox?

Or the fact that "Gadgets" on Windows came out years after "Widgets" on OSX. Maybe that's not stealing code, but it's certainly stealing ideas.

44 posted on 01/17/2009 5:45:35 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: hoosierham
For years ,anyone who wants to has been able to download or even have sent free to their home or business,Ubuntu linux on CD.

But there was a long while (before lawsuits forced the issue) that you couldn't buy an Intel computer without buying Windows.

45 posted on 01/17/2009 5:47:52 AM PST by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: SeeSharp
M$ ought to just tell the EU to live without Windows and Office from now on.

Damn' straight, as should ANY company that has a Government or "Union" trying to tell them how to build and sell their product.

Oh wait, we have that happening here in the US with the Gub'mint and the Detroit big-three!

The day the Government tells me how to run my business is the day I tell them how much it costs to buy it. If they refuse to buy my business so they can run it as THEY see fit, then I tell them to go piss up a rope.

46 posted on 01/17/2009 5:49:48 AM PST by usconservative (My Plan For Government Reform: Hangings on Thursday, Trials on Friday.)
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To: svxdave
No sorrow here. Microsoft cheats. Microsoft used its operating system to promote Word which killed off Word Perfect. Microsoft used its operating system to promote Excel which killed off Lotus 1,2,3. Microsoft used its operating system to promote Explorer which killed off Netscape. Microsoft stole Apple’s technology to develop Windows. Apple only responded in court too late and too little. No question about it, Microsoft cheats.


47 posted on 01/17/2009 5:50:37 AM PST by Erik Latranyi (Too many conservatives urge retreat when the war of politics doesn't go their way.)
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To: Woodman
Oh like Safari was trying to do with iTunes updater.

That one got me. I am so illiterate with this stuff and I thought I had to have Safari. I was in the middle of downloading it when my son happened to call and told me,"No". Good thing he knew how to get it off my computer.

I hate being the perfect target dope that falls for things like Safari. :(

48 posted on 01/17/2009 5:50:38 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Sarah's my girl! Palin 2012---Go Chargers!!)
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To: svxdave
Oh please.

Microsoft used its operating system to promote Word which killed off Word Perfect. Microsoft used its operating system to promote Excel which killed off Lotus 1,2,3.

Then download Open Office. Totally free with all the functionality you could want.

Microsoft used its operating system to promote Explorer which killed off Netscape.

Considering I'm viewing this page on my free, superior Mozilla Firefox 3 browser, I'm thinking that's not much of an issue either.

There are some genuine beefs with monopolistic practices, but this web browser thing is beyond ridiculous.

49 posted on 01/17/2009 5:55:42 AM PST by Future Snake Eater ("Get out of the boat and walk on the water with us!”--Sen. Joe Biden)
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To: DB
So how can one download a competitive browser on one’s new OS installation if there's no browser at all?

FTP or WGET come to mind. Of course you can open up your package manager and pull it from a repository.

50 posted on 01/17/2009 5:56:04 AM PST by AFreeBird
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