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Lab-'evolved' Molecules Support Creation
ICR ^ | January 17, 2009 | Brian Thomas, M.S.

Posted on 01/17/2009 3:04:35 PM PST by GodGunsGuts

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To: editor-surveyor

Frightened? I am not the one who runs from knowledge into a world of my own making into which no contrary ideas are allowed.

I am beginning to notice a pattern with you - you make an off the wall comment and then when show that you aren’t correct you begin to insult others. A true seeker of knowledge doesn’t behave the way that you do.

Now if you will excuse me I have to listen to TSO’s Requim (The Fifth) and Mozart / Figaro at an excessive volume level.


101 posted on 01/18/2009 12:06:01 PM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: DevNet

All the Off the Wall crap has com from you.

I guess everyone is right; answering you is like talking to the trash can.


102 posted on 01/18/2009 12:19:02 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: editor-surveyor

I am now listing to Mephistopheles by TSO.

Very good music - you should give it a try.


103 posted on 01/18/2009 12:21:53 PM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: DevNet

We gave the stereo system to my daughter cuz we didn’t have enough room for all the speakers. Just have a ‘wave’ box now. Not so great.


104 posted on 01/18/2009 12:39:33 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: DevNet

[[Frightened? I am not the one who runs from knowledge into a world of my own making into which no contrary ideas are allowed.]]

Neither do we- We tuck ourselves squarely behind the solid science- not soem hypothesis’ which violate all known natural laws


105 posted on 01/18/2009 1:27:31 PM PST by CottShop
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To: CottShop; editor-surveyor

You do realize that you are coming to the defense of someone who thinks that cancer simply did not exist till the Industrial Age?

How again is that “solid science”?


106 posted on 01/18/2009 2:00:25 PM PST by DevNet (What's past is prologue)
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To: DevNet

I have to apologize for you being offended or you won’t answer my questions?

Grow up.


107 posted on 01/18/2009 6:18:22 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DevNet
Apologize for your personal attacks and I will do so.

ROTFL!

108 posted on 01/18/2009 6:20:43 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (If America falls, darkness will cover the face of the earth for a thousand years.)
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To: GodGunsGuts
But it “evolved” only after “Joyce's team created” it.

I thought only God could create life?

109 posted on 01/18/2009 6:22:32 PM PST by ColdWater
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To: ColdWater

> I thought only God could create life?

Creating self-replicating RNA has been a big deal for a long time among the lab guys.

I wouldn’t go so far as to call it “life”.

Then again, “What is life?” is a thorny question. Difficult. Very difficult.

Are viruses “alive”? If so, what about viroids? If so, what about prions?


110 posted on 01/18/2009 6:25:18 PM PST by cacoethes_resipisco
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To: DevNet; CottShop
How again is that “solid science”?

Because its based on the evidence, rather than your humanist religion.

111 posted on 01/18/2009 8:28:28 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: DevNet

You pathetic pre-adolescent sniveling whiner.

Isn’t your mom ever home?


112 posted on 01/18/2009 8:32:21 PM PST by editor-surveyor (The beginning of the O'Bummer administration looks a lot like the end of the Nixon administration)
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To: BroJoeK

Thank you for proving my exact point.


113 posted on 01/19/2009 6:09:01 AM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: BroJoeK; theBuckwheat
Second of all, these researchers are all real scientists doing real scientific work, trying to develop real scientific theories

"For a justification of our moral code we no longer have to have recourse to theological revelation, or to a metaphysical Absolute; Freud in combination with Darwin suffice to give us our philosophic vision." --Darwin Medalist Julian Huxley

"The garden of humanity is very full of weeds, nurture will never transform them into flowers; the eugenist calls upon the rulers of mankind to see that there shall be space in the garden, freed of weeds, for individuals and races of finer growth to develop with the full bloom possible to their species." --Darwin Medalist Karl Pearson

"[Eugenics] has indeed strong claims to become an orthodox religious tenet of the future, for Eugenics co-operates with the workings of nature by securing that humanity shall be represented by the fittest races... The first and main point is to secure the general intellectual acceptance of Eugenics... then let its principles work into the heart of the nation, which will gradually give practical effect to them in ways that we may not wholly forsee." --Darwin Medalist Francis Galton


114 posted on 01/19/2009 6:33:00 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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To: theBuckwheat
"what few theories that have been put forth are shamefully flimsy coming from such learned scientists and academics. " "

"Thank you for proving my exact point."

Are you being disingenuous, or do you truly not know the difference between a scientific theory and a hypothesis?

Evolution is a theory, considered confirmed by scientists, because of its ability to make certain predictions, such as the locations of fossils in the geological column.

And so far as I know (somebody correct me if I'm wrong on this), there is no scientific "theory of origins." There are only various hypotheses (i.e., Darwin's mud puddle, or today's undersea volcanic vents) being worked on from different angles by numerous scientists.

Some of this work seems quite promising, and those of us who enjoy watching how science develops have reason to think they will eventually figure out a sequence of events whereby organic chemicals can naturally combine in ways that seem more & more lifelike. Then you could possibly begin to talk about a "theory of origins."

But I don't think they are there just quite yet. Do you disagree?

115 posted on 01/19/2009 6:46:30 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
""For a justification of our moral code we no longer have to have recourse to theological revelation, or to a metaphysical Absolute; Freud in combination with Darwin suffice to give us our philosophic vision." --Darwin Medalist Julian Huxley" etc., etc.

Wikipedia on Eugenics:

"Eugenics was an international scientific, political and moral ideology and movement which was at its height in first half of the twentieth century and was largely abandoned after the Nazi Holocaust and its future associations with racism.[2]"

We've argued this point before: obviously eugenics was a bad idea, but that would not invalidate Darwin's scientific theory, any more that historical crimes committed in the name of Christianity should necessarily invalidate Christ's teachings.

Do you disagree?

116 posted on 01/19/2009 7:01:21 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
We've argued this point before

Not really. I basically told you to go pound sand. Feel free to say whatever you like against Christianity. Let everyone see the repulsiveness underneath the facade of the evolution science-talker. In case you need a boot up the arse to motivate you, here:

"Darwin's theory means this, that if individuals are reared under a constant environment, and a larger percentage of them are killed off in the first year of life, then a smaller percentage of those remaining will die in the later years of life, because more of the weaklings have been killed off... Now if there be -- and I, for one, think that two independent lines of inquiry demonstrate that there is -- a fairly stringent selection of the weaker individuals by the mortality of infancy and childhood, what will happen, if by increased medical skill and by increased state support and private charity, we enable the weaklings to survive and to propagate their kind? Why, undoubtedly we shall have a weaker race... Surely here is an antinomy -- a fundamental opposition between medical progress and the science of national eugenics, of race efficiency. Gentlemen, I venture to think it is an antinomy, and will remain one until the nation at large recognises as a fundamental doctrine the principle that everyone, being born, has the right to live, but the right to live does not in itself convey the right to everyone to reproduce their kind... I say that only a very thorough eugenic policy can possibly save our race from the evils which must flow from the antagonism between natural selection and medical progress."

--Darwin Medalist Karl Pearson


117 posted on 01/20/2009 4:31:04 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
BroJoeK: "We've argued this point before

ECO: Not really. I basically told you to go pound sand. Feel free to say whatever you like against Christianity. Let everyone see the repulsiveness underneath the facade of the evolution science-talker."

Let's see if I can understand the point of your argument here. You are hoping that I will "attack" Christianity by pointing out cases in history where people have committed horrendous crimes in the name of Christianity, right?

And so, to encourage me to "attack" Christianity, you are waging a attack on Darwinism by pointing out cases in history where Darwinists have said, and some even did, really horrendous things, right?

Sorry, pal, but I don't get it. I would no more blame Jesus for the crimes of some of his followers than I would blame Darwin for the crimes of some of his defenders.

I'm only saying, if you live in such a glass house yourself ECO, why in the world would you throw so many stones?

Finally, on the issue of pounding sand, you might be interested to learn that, in a manner of speaking, I do pound sand for a living. And for entertainment, I post on Free Republic. Now I have to go back to work! ;-)

118 posted on 01/20/2009 4:55:42 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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To: BroJoeK
I do pound sand for a living.

Then go pound some.

"As an agency making for progress, conscious selection must replace the blind forces of natural selection; and men must utilize all the knowledge acquired by studying the process of evolution in the past in order to promote moral and physical progress in the future. The nation which first takes this great work thoroughly in hand will surely not only win in all matters of international competition, but will be given a place of honour in the history of the world."

—Leonard Darwin, Presidential address, First International Eugenics Congress, 1912.


119 posted on 01/20/2009 5:46:25 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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To: Ethan Clive Osgoode
"—Leonard Darwin, Presidential address, First International Eugenics Congress, 1912. "

I guess we can say, you've made a brilliant argument against the now-defunct Eugenics movement.

But you've made no argument against Darwin's theory of evolution.

120 posted on 01/25/2009 3:31:24 AM PST by BroJoeK (a little historical perspective...)
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