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American Gun Law Expert Urges Support for National Concealed Firearms Carry Bill (HR 197)
ExpertClick ^ | 1/17/2009 | Staff

Posted on 01/18/2009 7:02:45 AM PST by Red in Blue PA

“One of the most popular legislative initiatives in recent years is the movement allowing qualified law-abiding citizens to carry concealed firearms,” says Snyder, Treasurer of the Second Amendment Foundation. “Studies by scholars such as John R. Lott, Jr., author of More Guns Less Crime, demonstrate that in jurisdictions where such a public policy is implemented, violent crime takes a nosedive. Forty states now have some kind of right to carry policy.

“What has been missing is federal right to carry concealed legislation so that persons permitted to carry in a state may carry in other states, in much the same way as people licensed to drive in a state may drive in other states. Into this breech comes the bipartisan introduction of H.R. 197, the proposed National Right to Carry Concealed Act of 2009, by Rep. Cliff Stearns of Florida, a Republican, and Rick Boucher of Virginia, a Democrat. The proposal would allow persons permitted to carry a concealed firearm in a state to carry in other states.”

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; ccw; concealed; guns; hr197; johnlott; lott; righttocarry; shallnotbeinfringed

1 posted on 01/18/2009 7:02:45 AM PST by Red in Blue PA
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To: Red in Blue PA

When the gun grabbing begins where will they go first?


2 posted on 01/18/2009 7:08:14 AM PST by screaminsunshine (.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

DOA!


3 posted on 01/18/2009 7:08:32 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: screaminsunshine

If you get caught wuth a firearm and you are not obeying the law, be prepared to meet the consequences of such an action. (I am not) and have a CCW).

http://ccwsaveslives.blogspot.com


4 posted on 01/18/2009 7:13:31 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Guns don't kill people; abortion clinics do.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
Souinds like an end run around to start a NATIONAL REGISTRY.

The Messiah would certainly like this.

5 posted on 01/18/2009 7:13:33 AM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Sounds like a waiver of the 2nd amendment to me.


6 posted on 01/18/2009 7:14:29 AM PST by screaminsunshine (.)
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To: TexasRedeye

With that kind of attitude, it will be DOA. Did you happen to see that the bill has a dem co-sponsor?


7 posted on 01/18/2009 7:14:31 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Guns don't kill people; abortion clinics do.)
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To: screaminsunshine

I am not waiving anything and I agree that under the 2nd, you hould not need to apply for a CCW. But the fact remains, that now you do. I only play by the rules, unless the rules are so unfair to make like oenerous, such as turning in your bullets for bullet imprinting.


8 posted on 01/18/2009 7:16:04 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Guns don't kill people; abortion clinics do.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

like=life


9 posted on 01/18/2009 7:16:26 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Guns don't kill people; abortion clinics do.)
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To: unixfox
Now days in the age of the computer it dosen't matter if you search state data bases or have a central base to search it well only take a bit longer to go state by state.

If someone hands the police a FL,AZ or other State CCW it doesn't take long to find out if is vaild. Takes about 30 sec with a Driver lic. If the system is up and running properly. Would be the same for a CCW lic.

10 posted on 01/18/2009 7:18:59 AM PST by riverrunner
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To: Red in Blue PA
While I'd love to see something like this, where there's universal recognition of a CCW, given the current makeup of congress and Obama, I fear that a federal law of this sort would actually wind up wiping out individual state CCW laws. My guess is that they would try to come up with some sort of a federal license, outlaw state licenses, and then make the federal license impossible to get.

Mark

11 posted on 01/18/2009 7:26:09 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL

That is a fear of mine too, and if it came to that, I would hope any bill would fail. Right now in PA, I can walk almost anywhere with my CCW (bars included). If the scenario you laid out would come to fruition, the CCW laws would probably be as strict as possible preventing me from doing so.


12 posted on 01/18/2009 7:28:36 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Guns don't kill people; abortion clinics do.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Like I said. DOA! Pelosi & Hoyer owe the Brady bunch too much and will never let it see a vote on the floor regardless of how many Dems are co-sponsors. So, DOA!


13 posted on 01/18/2009 7:38:16 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Your first sentance is the point. Like when you waive your fifth amendment rights to get a driver license.


14 posted on 01/18/2009 7:53:39 AM PST by screaminsunshine (.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Putting any restrictions on a right is an onerous thing.


15 posted on 01/18/2009 7:56:17 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Government only does one thing well - WASTE MONEY!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

This is an individual state right to determine. Same as individual states issue driver licenses. Although the feds are attempting to take that away from the states with sanctions, withholding federal (OUR) highway money etc....

I say no. The risk of last minute amendments and fine, unconstitutional print is real and a threat...


16 posted on 01/18/2009 8:11:21 AM PST by o_zarkman44 (Since when is paying more, but getting less, considered Patriotic?)
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To: mad_as_he$$

Correct, it appears to be a good thing but is set up to be fraught with fraud. Millions of people will rush to it so that they are registered on the first to be confiscated list.

Buyer beware on this one. Dont you find it interesting that this pops up just as the Musklim is about to take office?


17 posted on 01/18/2009 8:15:14 AM PST by Concho (01-20-2009--The beginning of an ERROR)
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To: Concho

there are lots of very odd things popping up. Stuff that appears conservative friendly but when examined is very bad.


18 posted on 01/18/2009 8:30:01 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Government only does one thing well - WASTE MONEY!)
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To: mad_as_he$$

National Right-to-Carry Reciprocity Act of 2009 - Amends the federal criminal code to establish a national standard for the carrying of concealed firearms (other than a machinegun or destructive device) by non-residents. Authorizes a person who has a valid permit to carry a concealed firearm in one state and who is not prohibited from carrying a firearm under federal law to carry a concealed firearm in another state in accordance with the restrictions of that state or as specified under this Act.

http://www.washingtonwatch.com/bills/show/111_HR_197.html


19 posted on 01/18/2009 8:37:52 AM PST by Red in Blue PA (Guns don't kill people; abortion clinics do.)
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To: Red in Blue PA
No thanks.

Any Federal legislation will accompany recording of all CCW permit holders, next will come the requirements to keep the national CCW such as security requirements that can be inspected at will by the BATFE, severe FEDERAL penalties for abusing the permit, and on and on.....

No thanks.

And for those of you that think I am being TOO paranoid, think of any government program that didn't create a huge buerau to oversee it or has really been friendly to gunowners.

20 posted on 01/18/2009 8:39:26 AM PST by Pistolshot ("Democrats don't show respect, they just demand respect " - ClearCase_guy)
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To: Red in Blue PA
What has been missing is federal right to carry concealed legislation so that persons permitted to carry in a state...

This is called the 2nd Amendment. Just because the protein cogs in the government machine don't recognize it doesn't mean that it does not exist.

This right, though unalienable, is violated on a regular basis by aforementioned cogs.

21 posted on 01/18/2009 8:40:40 AM PST by Starfleet Command
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To: Red in Blue PA

In effect a future CCW registry.


22 posted on 01/18/2009 8:45:18 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Government only does one thing well - WASTE MONEY!)
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To: Red in Blue PA
We already have a National carry law. A Right to Keep and BEAR Arms>
23 posted on 01/18/2009 8:48:31 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

We don’t need no steenking federal law. The right of the people to keep and “BEAR” arms is pretty explicit.


24 posted on 01/18/2009 8:51:57 AM PST by yazoo
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To: unixfox
“Souinds like an end run around to start a NATIONAL REGISTRY.”

How so? It just requires states to honor other states permits. There is no record keeping of firearm serial numbers.
25 posted on 01/18/2009 9:15:42 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Red in Blue PA

Hi Red. I am a Pa resident as well. Where does the Ammo Accountability Act stand in Pa, do you know?


26 posted on 01/18/2009 9:30:38 AM PST by thethirddegree
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To: Red in Blue PA
I am not waiving anything and I agree that under the 2nd, you should not need to apply for a CCW.

Agreed, and worth repeating:

Under the 2nd Amendment, you should not need to apply for a CCW.

27 posted on 01/18/2009 10:59:09 AM PST by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Red in Blue PA

There was a time when I was for this type of legislation, but after studying the various bills that have come out on this subject in recent years and knowing how politicians act, I am now completly against it.

As many have pointed out, the 2nd Amendment is our carry permit, giving the Feds a CCW data base would be prepping for a future anti-RKBA regulations and/or confiscation, the States is where this belongs and the citizens of the states are the ones that must push back against bans and other unconstitutional regulations.

Just look at the progress made over the years with reciprocity of CCW between the states, so keep the Feds out of it, push back hard in your state and fight for your rights.


28 posted on 01/18/2009 11:42:20 AM PST by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: marktwain
There is no record keeping of firearm serial numbers.

Not yet, but give the Feds an opening and that will change very quickly!

29 posted on 01/18/2009 11:46:03 AM PST by AvOrdVet ("Put the wagons in a circle for all the good it'll do")
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To: Red in Blue PA

Rather than a county or state database, there will be a federal database, which will facilitate massive, wide-spread confiscation.

No thanks


30 posted on 01/18/2009 12:18:48 PM PST by wastedyears (In Canada, Santa says "Ho Ho, eh?")
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To: thethirddegree

Honestly, I am not sure where that bill stands. Would be surprised to see it passed in PA, but this past year has been a year of surprises.


31 posted on 01/18/2009 1:19:56 PM PST by Red in Blue PA (Guns don't kill people; abortion clinics do.)
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To: wastedyears
I read somewhere where osama wants a National Police Force of 120,000 to "back up" the US Military.

I can see ACORN between ballot box stuffed elections being sent around to gather up those nasty old guns so we can all be safe.

A Nation gone mad.

32 posted on 01/18/2009 6:04:12 PM PST by oldtimer
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To: Red in Blue PA

Why OTHER than a machine gun, or destructive device? Some 12 gauge shotguns are destructive devices nowadays, you know.


33 posted on 01/18/2009 7:54:14 PM PST by 2harddrive (...House a TOTAL Loss.....)
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