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'We have only four years left to act on climate change - America has to lead'(Gag Alert)
Guardian.co.uk ^ | Jan. 18, 2008 | Robin McKie

Posted on 01/19/2009 7:06:33 AM PST by PROCON

Jim Hansen is the 'grandfather of climate change' and one of the world's leading climatologists. In this rare interview in New York, he explains why President Obama's administration is the last chance to avoid flooded cities, species extinction and climate catastropheRobin McKie, science editor The Observer, Sunday 18 January 2009 Article historyAlong one wall of Jim Hansen's wood-panelled office in upper Manhattan, the distinguished climatologist has pinned 10 A4-sized photographs of his three grandchildren: Sophie, Connor and Jake. They are the only personal items on display in an office otherwise dominated by stacks of manila folders, bundles of papers and cardboard boxes filled with reports on climate variations and atmospheric measurements.

The director of Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York is clearly a doting grandfather as well as an internationally revered climate scientist. Yet his pictures are more than mere expressions of familial love. They are reminders to the 67-year-old scientist of his duty to future generations, children whom he now believes are threatened by a global greenhouse catastrophe that is spiralling out of control because of soaring carbon dioxide emissions from industry and transport.

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1 posted on 01/19/2009 7:06:33 AM PST by PROCON
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To: xcamel; steelyourfaith; Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Ping!


2 posted on 01/19/2009 7:07:12 AM PST by PROCON (I will mourn for America on Jan. 20.)
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To: PROCON

“Jim Hansen is the ‘grandfather of climate change’ and one of the world’s leading climatologists.”

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The two clauses of this sentence are mutually exclusive.


3 posted on 01/19/2009 7:08:04 AM PST by EyeGuy
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To: PROCON

I’m convinced this Hansen will be exposed by history as an unscientific sham.

Frst, his alarmist claims do not seem to be supported by other scientists or even by the weather.

Second, this nonsense about the US “leading” is extremely unscientific, when China and India are on track to surpass us in carbon emissions and have no plan to do anything about it. Add in the rest of the World and it’s rather obvious the US can’t do much about this and certainly not in a 4 year time frame.

Even IF this guy is an expert on climate, he is out of his league when he starts talking about geopolitics.


4 posted on 01/19/2009 7:12:08 AM PST by Williams (It's The Policies, Stupid.)
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To: PROCON

'We have only four years left to act on profit from this climate change scam - America has to lead be fleeced even more quickly.


5 posted on 01/19/2009 7:14:13 AM PST by MindBender26 (Never kick a leftist when they are down. Wait 'til they're halfway back up! You get better leverage!)
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To: PROCON

Tax, spend, tax, spend, blame Bush/Republicans, repeat.


6 posted on 01/19/2009 7:14:23 AM PST by allmost
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To: Williams
Second, this nonsense about the US “leading” is extremely unscientific, when China and India are on track to surpass us in carbon emissions and have no plan to do anything about it.

You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off...

7 posted on 01/19/2009 7:15:26 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing.)
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To: PROCON
Sounds more like a realization the “O” is going to be a one term Pres and DimoRAT control of the House and Senate might only last for 2 more years.
8 posted on 01/19/2009 7:15:30 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: PROCON

“’We have only four years left to act on climate change”

Or else what?

A 60 degree January couldn’t happen fast enough for me.


9 posted on 01/19/2009 7:15:53 AM PST by VanDeKoik
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To: PROCON
From GreenLeft.org

VENEZUELA: Chavez calls for global offensive for socialism
August 31, 2005

excerpts...

"The environment is suffering damage that could be irreversible — global warming, the greenhouse effect, the melting of the polar ice caps, the rising sea level, hurricanes — with terrible social occurrences that will shake life on this planet."

"I believe this idea has a strong connection with reality. I don't think we have much time. Fidel Castro said in one of his speeches I read not so long ago, 'tomorrow could be too late, let's do now what we need to do'."

"I believe it is time that we take up with courage and clarity a political, social, collective and ideological offensive across the world — a real offensive that permits us to move progressively, over the next years, the next decades, leaving behind the perverse, destructive, destroyer, capitalist model and go forward in constructing the socialist model to avoid barbarism and beyond that the annihilation of life on this planet."

--Hugo Chavez, at the 16th World Festival of Youth and Students, held in Caracas on August 8-15, 2005

http://www.greenleft.org.au/back/2005/640/640p16.htm

10 posted on 01/19/2009 7:19:03 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: PROCON
"James Hansen, the director of the agency's [NASA's] Goddard Institute for Space Studies, received a $250,000 grant from the charitable foundation headed by former Democrat Presidential candidate John Kerry's wife, Teresa Heinz. Subsequent to the Heinz Foundation grant, Hansen publicly endorsed Democrat John Kerry for president in 2004, a political endorsement considered to be highly unusual for a NASA scientist.":
http://www.freedom.org/news/200607/12/morano.phtml
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James Hansen (quote), from October 2004:

"Several years ago I received the Heinz Environment Award. I don't know who nominated me for that award or how the selection works."

"I am confident that it has no impact on my evaluation of the climate problem or on my political leanings."

"In the upcoming election I will vote for John Kerry."

Source: Columbia University.edu [pdf]:
http://www.columbia.edu/~jeh1/dai_complete.pdf
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Also see: Teresa Heinz Kerry: Bag Lady for the Radical Left:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=12187
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NASA's Hansen Mentioned in [George] Soros Foundation's Annual Report:
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2007/09/26/nasa-s-hansen-mentioned-soros-foundations-annual-report

11 posted on 01/19/2009 7:21:05 AM PST by ETL (Smoking gun evidence on ALL the ObamaRat-commie connections at my newly revised FR Home/About page)
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To: Smokin' Joe
You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off...

Major LOLing going on over here. I'll steal that for my new tagline.

12 posted on 01/19/2009 7:21:10 AM PST by savedbygrace (You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off... [Smokin' Joe])
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To: Smokin' Joe
You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off...

Looks like a great tag line to me!

13 posted on 01/19/2009 7:24:59 AM PST by Eagle Eye (Libs- If you don't have to play the rules then neither do we...THINK ABOUT IT!)
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To: PROCON
What a lovely time to enjoy again the immortal Al Gore video, Ball of Fire.
14 posted on 01/19/2009 7:27:29 AM PST by Sender (Never lose your ignorance; you can never regain it!)
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To: PROCON

4th post, different sources.


15 posted on 01/19/2009 7:29:54 AM PST by xcamel (The urge to save humanity is always a false front for the urge to rule it. - H. L. Mencken)
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To: PROCON
The arrogance and ignorance of the author deserves a monument; but, I do admit, it is a good and humorous way to begin the day. In gratitude, I commend to everyone's attention, brief though it probably is, the book "Red Hot Lies" by Christopher C. Horner. Most of the author's ilk will be dis-appointed to learn that there are no pictures of sleeping polar bears, ice floe, etc. Rather, Mr. Horner presents a detailed recitation of journalistic and pseudo-scientific mis-statements of facts, statements of non-facts and outright absurdities such as was penned in today's column in 'The Observer'.

Ideological shills such as the author, far too many of whom refer to themselves as journalists and/or scientists, do an extreme dis-service to the body politic and the body of knowledge by un-substantiated rants such as McKie's. If one wants to demonstrate that a situation is deterioting, one must first establish a base-line that is scientifically provable, not by consensus but by science. Contemporary journalists, and others of others of similar ilk, might refer to a dictionary to learn the difference between those two words. Once that scientific base-line is established, deviations from the base-line can be observed and conclusions drawn about the direction and benefits(including negative benefits)of the deviation.

The good news, from my perspective, is that the fools in the media have been so demonstrably biased and extreme that readership of print and eye-balls on the various screens are in a free-fall. Their respective landings will not have the experienced and tender hands of Capt. Sullenberger. The media will go bankrupt financially just as, years ago, they have gone professionally.

16 posted on 01/19/2009 7:30:23 AM PST by MarkT
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To: PROCON

The inventor of the Muppets is a climatologist??? (sarc ON)


17 posted on 01/19/2009 7:34:13 AM PST by NU Huskie In ME
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To: PROCON
"Warming! Cooling? ...Warming? ...Cooling? ...Warming?"

"WTF Is A Chick'n To Do?"

18 posted on 01/19/2009 7:34:28 AM PST by TexasCajun
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To: PROCON
If you have not seen the video of Al Gore ominously predicting the demise of the Polar Ice Cap, you have to watch this vid on Youtube. Mark your calendars, Al has set a timetable!

The Polar Ice Cap Will Be Gone in 5 Years

~ Al Gore

Gore-Bull Warming
Al Gore says that the polar ice cap will be completely gone in 5 years!
Click on the image above to see the video where he says it!



19 posted on 01/19/2009 7:38:34 AM PST by Bon mots
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To: PROCON
I have a mental picture of a man standing alone in a small windowless room screaming for attention.
20 posted on 01/19/2009 7:56:38 AM PST by BallyBill (Serial Hit-N-Run poster)
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To: PROCON

Aren’t these the same idiots who told us in 1974 that the world was going to starve by 2000 yet we’re as fat as ever??

Didn’t they also say there would be absolutely no oil by 2000 yet we’ve got tankers waiting to offload??


21 posted on 01/19/2009 8:03:21 AM PST by CodeToad
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To: PROCON

“...threatened by a global greenhouse catastrophe that is spiralling out of control because of soaring carbon dioxide emissions from industry and transport.”

Out here in the Chicago suburbs, if it spirals any further out of control, I’ll have to invest in a new snow shovel.


22 posted on 01/19/2009 8:09:35 AM PST by Stosh
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To: PROCON
Here is my prediction. Within four years these alarmists are going to say that Obama’s policies have been so successful that the earth is now cooling. He has cured this impending catastrophe! That way they can't be held accountable in four years when nothing has happened to the earth. They can they say, we must continue our draconian measures to keep up our reversal of this trend. It's a win win for liberals.

Conservatives, we are sh*t out of luck unless we can disprove this madness and/or we the sheeple start feeling the pain of this nonsense in the pocket book.

23 posted on 01/19/2009 8:16:07 AM PST by Wonderama Mama (Socialism is great until you run out of someone elses money - Margaret Thatcher)
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To: VanDeKoik

It could be as damaging as the Y2K thing a few years ago.


24 posted on 01/19/2009 8:16:56 AM PST by Radl (rtr)
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To: PROCON; Fiddlstix; TenthAmendmentChampion; Horusra; CygnusXI; Entrepreneur; Defendingliberty; ...
 




Beam me to Planet Gore !

25 posted on 01/19/2009 8:29:29 AM PST by steelyourfaith
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To: PROCON

“an office otherwise dominated by stacks of manila folders, bundles of papers and cardboard boxes filled with reports on climate variations and atmospheric measurements.”

The sign of a sloppy mind. Along with the notion that the climate is going to change catastrophically in four years.


26 posted on 01/19/2009 8:32:57 AM PST by popdonnelly (Don't lose sight of your conservative principles.)
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To: PROCON; cogitator
Jim Hansen is the 'grandfather of climate change' and one of the world's leading climatologists.

And that's as far as I read. Perhaps cogitator knows something that would give me a greater degree of confidence in this guy. This "only four years left" stuff sounds like more scare-mongering to me.

27 posted on 01/19/2009 2:45:49 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (This election gave the drunks the keys to the liquor cabinet!)
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To: PROCON

America has to lead
28 posted on 01/19/2009 8:20:18 PM PST by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* 'I love you guys')
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Perhaps cogitator knows something that would give me a greater degree of confidence in this guy. This "only four years left" stuff sounds like more scare-mongering to me.

Call me a sponge. I know a lot of things that scare the h*ll out of me -- things which I know to be very real, yet which if I say them here on FR they are belittled and then besieged with irrelevancy.

The main thing I know is that short-term variability of climate does not change the potential hazards of long-term trends. And that's what Hansen is talking about. Four years to act? Maybe not, but probably important in establishing a framework for actions that will make a difference. The horizon for initiation of these actions is probably a few years further out, but not much.

So no, I don't know "something" that would give you a greater degree of confidence in Hansen. I know a lot of things that if you knew them too, you'd have the same degree of confidence (unfortunately) that I have, which is yes, we don't have a lot of time left before we need to start concerted action. [Note that I think, economically, that we're going to be forced to start acting in ways that benefit the economy and the environment.]

There are several things in this thread that are about the Arctic polar ice cap. I think Gore was a bit bold (for anybody reading, he's predicting the disappearance of the polar ice cap in SUMMER in five years), but I think that every following summer we are going to see a new minimum sea ice extent and volume, or values very close to the minimum, as happened this year.

Here's an article that summarizes the situation fairly well, I think.

Arctic summers ice-free 'by 2013'

(Let's imagine this scenario: in the summer of 2013, the Arctic sea ice minimum extent sets a new record: only 25% of the minimum extent in summer 2007, the current record. I.e., a miniscule remnant of the ice cap survives the summer of 2013. I can hear the conservative skeptics now: "Al Gore was WRONG!!!")

Hunting around, I found this op-ed by science fiction author and editor Ben Bova. I think it's common-sense and I agree with him. I'm certain a large majority of FReepers don't. Oh well.

Ben Bova: It’s best to prepare for the worst on global warming

As a final note:

Multivariate ENSO Index Ranks

29 posted on 01/20/2009 7:26:10 AM PST by cogitator
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