Skip to comments.'We have only four years left to act on climate change - America has to lead'(Gag Alert)
Posted on 01/19/2009 7:06:33 AM PST by PROCON
Jim Hansen is the 'grandfather of climate change' and one of the world's leading climatologists. In this rare interview in New York, he explains why President Obama's administration is the last chance to avoid flooded cities, species extinction and climate catastropheRobin McKie, science editor The Observer, Sunday 18 January 2009 Article historyAlong one wall of Jim Hansen's wood-panelled office in upper Manhattan, the distinguished climatologist has pinned 10 A4-sized photographs of his three grandchildren: Sophie, Connor and Jake. They are the only personal items on display in an office otherwise dominated by stacks of manila folders, bundles of papers and cardboard boxes filled with reports on climate variations and atmospheric measurements.
The director of Nasa's Goddard Institute for Space Studies in New York is clearly a doting grandfather as well as an internationally revered climate scientist. Yet his pictures are more than mere expressions of familial love. They are reminders to the 67-year-old scientist of his duty to future generations, children whom he now believes are threatened by a global greenhouse catastrophe that is spiralling out of control because of soaring carbon dioxide emissions from industry and transport.
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“Jim Hansen is the ‘grandfather of climate change’ and one of the world’s leading climatologists.”
The two clauses of this sentence are mutually exclusive.
I’m convinced this Hansen will be exposed by history as an unscientific sham.
Frst, his alarmist claims do not seem to be supported by other scientists or even by the weather.
Second, this nonsense about the US “leading” is extremely unscientific, when China and India are on track to surpass us in carbon emissions and have no plan to do anything about it. Add in the rest of the World and it’s rather obvious the US can’t do much about this and certainly not in a 4 year time frame.
Even IF this guy is an expert on climate, he is out of his league when he starts talking about geopolitics.
Tax, spend, tax, spend, blame Bush/Republicans, repeat.
You are only leading if someone follows. Otherwise, you just wandered off...
“’We have only four years left to act on climate change”
Or else what?
A 60 degree January couldn’t happen fast enough for me.
VENEZUELA: Chavez calls for global offensive for socialism
August 31, 2005
"The environment is suffering damage that could be irreversible global warming, the greenhouse effect, the melting of the polar ice caps, the rising sea level, hurricanes with terrible social occurrences that will shake life on this planet."
"I believe this idea has a strong connection with reality. I don't think we have much time. Fidel Castro said in one of his speeches I read not so long ago, 'tomorrow could be too late, let's do now what we need to do'."
"I believe it is time that we take up with courage and clarity a political, social, collective and ideological offensive across the world a real offensive that permits us to move progressively, over the next years, the next decades, leaving behind the perverse, destructive, destroyer, capitalist model and go forward in constructing the socialist model to avoid barbarism and beyond that the annihilation of life on this planet."
--Hugo Chavez, at the 16th World Festival of Youth and Students, held in Caracas on August 8-15, 2005
James Hansen (quote), from October 2004:
"Several years ago I received the Heinz Environment Award. I don't know who nominated me for that award or how the selection works."
"I am confident that it has no impact on my evaluation of the climate problem or on my political leanings."
"In the upcoming election I will vote for John Kerry."
Source: Columbia University.edu [pdf]:
Also see: Teresa Heinz Kerry: Bag Lady for the Radical Left:
NASA's Hansen Mentioned in [George] Soros Foundation's Annual Report:
Major LOLing going on over here. I'll steal that for my new tagline.
Looks like a great tag line to me!
4th post, different sources.
Ideological shills such as the author, far too many of whom refer to themselves as journalists and/or scientists, do an extreme dis-service to the body politic and the body of knowledge by un-substantiated rants such as McKie's. If one wants to demonstrate that a situation is deterioting, one must first establish a base-line that is scientifically provable, not by consensus but by science. Contemporary journalists, and others of others of similar ilk, might refer to a dictionary to learn the difference between those two words. Once that scientific base-line is established, deviations from the base-line can be observed and conclusions drawn about the direction and benefits(including negative benefits)of the deviation.
The good news, from my perspective, is that the fools in the media have been so demonstrably biased and extreme that readership of print and eye-balls on the various screens are in a free-fall. Their respective landings will not have the experienced and tender hands of Capt. Sullenberger. The media will go bankrupt financially just as, years ago, they have gone professionally.
The inventor of the Muppets is a climatologist??? (sarc ON)
"WTF Is A Chick'n To Do?"
Aren’t these the same idiots who told us in 1974 that the world was going to starve by 2000 yet we’re as fat as ever??
Didn’t they also say there would be absolutely no oil by 2000 yet we’ve got tankers waiting to offload??
“...threatened by a global greenhouse catastrophe that is spiralling out of control because of soaring carbon dioxide emissions from industry and transport.”
Out here in the Chicago suburbs, if it spirals any further out of control, I’ll have to invest in a new snow shovel.
Conservatives, we are sh*t out of luck unless we can disprove this madness and/or we the sheeple start feeling the pain of this nonsense in the pocket book.
It could be as damaging as the Y2K thing a few years ago.
“an office otherwise dominated by stacks of manila folders, bundles of papers and cardboard boxes filled with reports on climate variations and atmospheric measurements.”
The sign of a sloppy mind. Along with the notion that the climate is going to change catastrophically in four years.
And that's as far as I read. Perhaps cogitator knows something that would give me a greater degree of confidence in this guy. This "only four years left" stuff sounds like more scare-mongering to me.
Call me a sponge. I know a lot of things that scare the h*ll out of me -- things which I know to be very real, yet which if I say them here on FR they are belittled and then besieged with irrelevancy.
The main thing I know is that short-term variability of climate does not change the potential hazards of long-term trends. And that's what Hansen is talking about. Four years to act? Maybe not, but probably important in establishing a framework for actions that will make a difference. The horizon for initiation of these actions is probably a few years further out, but not much.
So no, I don't know "something" that would give you a greater degree of confidence in Hansen. I know a lot of things that if you knew them too, you'd have the same degree of confidence (unfortunately) that I have, which is yes, we don't have a lot of time left before we need to start concerted action. [Note that I think, economically, that we're going to be forced to start acting in ways that benefit the economy and the environment.]
There are several things in this thread that are about the Arctic polar ice cap. I think Gore was a bit bold (for anybody reading, he's predicting the disappearance of the polar ice cap in SUMMER in five years), but I think that every following summer we are going to see a new minimum sea ice extent and volume, or values very close to the minimum, as happened this year.
Here's an article that summarizes the situation fairly well, I think.
(Let's imagine this scenario: in the summer of 2013, the Arctic sea ice minimum extent sets a new record: only 25% of the minimum extent in summer 2007, the current record. I.e., a miniscule remnant of the ice cap survives the summer of 2013. I can hear the conservative skeptics now: "Al Gore was WRONG!!!")
Hunting around, I found this op-ed by science fiction author and editor Ben Bova. I think it's common-sense and I agree with him. I'm certain a large majority of FReepers don't. Oh well.
As a final note: