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Scouts adopt Islamic pledge
ChristiansInstitute ^ | 1/20/09

Posted on 01/20/2009 6:29:07 PM PST by Sammy67

Boy Scouts in Dundee will be able to pledge allegiance to ‘Allah’ and drop the traditional oath to God and Queen, says the Scout Association in Scotland.

The Association has given its backing to starting Dundee’s 45th troop which will specifically target Muslim boys.

In the oath Muslim recruits will be able to replace the name ‘God’ with “Allah, the Most Beneficent and the Most Merciful”, and pledge to honour “the country in which I am now living” instead of the Queen.

The Scout Association is already open to all faiths and Muslim boys are currently part of existing troops, but according to the Association they are aware of some who might be opposed to the traditional pledge.

A spokesman for the Scout Association Drummond Cox claims the change “represents a tweak rather than a major change”.

He said: “The Scouts may have been a Christian organisation originally but we have long been non-denominational and inclusive.

“This new troop will in no way be exclusionary and non-Muslim

(Excerpt) Read more at christian.org.uk ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: boy; boyscouts; country; europe; god; islam; muslims; queen; religion; scotland; scouts; stealthjihad; ukmuslims
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1 posted on 01/20/2009 6:29:07 PM PST by Sammy67
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To: Sammy67

So much for Western Culture.

“We surrender, we surrender!”


2 posted on 01/20/2009 6:31:36 PM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: If we are all equal, why was 01/20/09 a profound day in history?)
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To: Sammy67
Scouts adopt Islamic pledge

The Scouts helping young jihadis hone their survival skills...good plan.

3 posted on 01/20/2009 6:32:11 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Sammy67

pathetic

just another example of the west caving in to muslims.

it is high time the west said no mosques no nothing until you let churches and freedom of religion into your country as well.
what is good for the goose is good for the gander


4 posted on 01/20/2009 6:32:15 PM PST by manc (Marriage is between a man and a woman no sick MA,CT sham marriage end racism end affirmative action)
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To: Sammy67
Prince Charles will be pleased.
5 posted on 01/20/2009 6:34:25 PM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: snarks_when_bored

The merit badge for bombmaking is taking it a leeetle too far I think.


6 posted on 01/20/2009 6:34:50 PM PST by BipolarBob (Even the earth is bipolar.)
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To: Sammy67

Robert Baden-Powell is turning in his grave...


7 posted on 01/20/2009 6:34:59 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: Sammy67

Robert Baden-Powell is turning in his grave...


8 posted on 01/20/2009 6:35:38 PM PST by Redbob (W.W.J.B.D.: "What Would Jack Bauer Do?")
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; justiceseeker93; ..
Boy Scouts in Dundee will be able to pledge allegiance to 'Allah' and drop the traditional oath to God and Queen, says the Scout Association in Scotland.

9 posted on 01/20/2009 6:40:27 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: BipolarBob

(heh)


10 posted on 01/20/2009 6:41:15 PM PST by snarks_when_bored
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To: Sammy67

Baden-Powell would have approved of putting Allah in it, he was Ok with such cultural adaptations. Remember that in. his day Scouting became a huge international movement. Moslem boy scouts aren’t a new thing, neither are Buddhist or Hindu scouts. There are dozens of national variations I think.

He would certainly have made them keep the Queen in it though.

And I’m not sure that he would have approved of religiously segregated troops in Britain.


11 posted on 01/20/2009 6:41:50 PM PST by buwaya
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To: Redbob

Scouts Honor means nothing now.


12 posted on 01/20/2009 6:42:13 PM PST by waterhill (An armed man has the means for independence.....)
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To: Sammy67

William Wallace and John Knox must be turning over in their graves.


13 posted on 01/20/2009 6:46:46 PM PST by lilylangtree (Veni, Vidi, Vici)
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To: Sammy67

Britain is no longer a viable product!


14 posted on 01/20/2009 6:47:02 PM PST by Don Corleone (Leave the gun..take the cannoli)
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To: plsjr

ping


15 posted on 01/20/2009 6:47:20 PM PST by lula ( Islam IS the Anti-Christ)
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To: Sammy67

In other news, Scouts in Labour Party dominated areas will pledge allegience to Satan and promise to support Marx.


16 posted on 01/20/2009 6:52:37 PM PST by FormerACLUmember
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To: Sammy67
He said: “The Scouts may have been a Christian organization originally but we have long been nondenominational and inclusive.

Really?? That is not how I remember it. When I was looking into going for my "God and Country" badge, there were different badges for different denominations and religions, including Islam.

The BSA did not care which God you worshiped, just that you worshiped one (or many for that matter) The only boys turned away were Atheists.

17 posted on 01/20/2009 6:53:22 PM PST by NathanR ( Drill here. Drill now. Pay less.)
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To: Sammy67
Boy Scouts in Dundee will be able to pledge allegiance to ‘Allah’ and drop the traditional oath to God and Queen, says the Scout Association in Scotland.

They ought to include references to five or six dozen virgins, and the blood of infidels, while they're at it...

18 posted on 01/20/2009 6:53:30 PM PST by Who is John Galt? ("Sometimes I have to break the law in order to meet my management objectives." - Bill Calkins, BLM)
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To: RonF; AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Looking for Diogenes; Congressman Billybob; ...

Lord Baden Powell is not pleased.


19 posted on 01/20/2009 6:54:11 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: buwaya

Agreed, nor would he have approved of the many ethnically segregated Troops which are here in the U.S. either.

Scouting is an international movement.

YIS,
SZ


20 posted on 01/20/2009 6:54:53 PM PST by SZonian (I'm a Canal Zone brat)
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To: Sammy67

can’t wait for the bombmaking badge, the 9-year old wife badge, the suicide bombing badge... the last badge you’ll ever get.


21 posted on 01/20/2009 7:22:43 PM PST by GeronL (DAY 1, YEAR 0 - The first day of the Oministration. The nightmare begins.)
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To: Sammy67
What about the satanists? When will the BSers recognize the Mayan rituals of child sacrifices to the rain gawd as legitimate religious practices?

Will they pledge allegiance to Charlie Manson as well some day?

22 posted on 01/20/2009 7:41:51 PM PST by rawcatslyentist (Proud non productive worker under directive 10-289)
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To: SandRat

Look up the definition of the word ‘capitulation’ in the dictionary. I think this turn of events aptly describes it.


23 posted on 01/20/2009 7:42:06 PM PST by techno
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To: Sammy67

Up here in Canada, the Religion in Life badge comes in Unitarian, Buddhist, Hindu, Sikh, Bahai, Christian, Jewish, Muslim, Jain or Zoroastrain.


24 posted on 01/20/2009 7:51:49 PM PST by Grig
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To: Sammy67
“Allah, the Most Beneficent and the Most Merciful”, ...

Sounds like they don't know much about allah Satan.

25 posted on 01/20/2009 8:26:17 PM PST by theymakemesick (Buraq (buh- rok) Winged creature that carried mohammed on his Night Journey from Mecca to Jerusalem)
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To: Sammy67

Assimilation of Muslims is a good thing. The more they feel a part of British/Western Culture instead of a caliphate at war with the rest of the world, the sooner a real peace is viable.


26 posted on 01/20/2009 8:28:47 PM PST by SeminoleSoldier
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To: Sammy67

The sun has set on the British empire, and the crescent has risen.

England needs to get its act together quick and stop surrendering Western culture to 7th century invaders.


27 posted on 01/20/2009 8:34:58 PM PST by G8 Diplomat (The Middle East: We put the OIL in TURMOIL!)
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To: SeminoleSoldier

This isnt assimilation. They can use the word G-d and have it mean whatever they want it to mean to them. no one else is putting a name on it but them. They need to GTFOOH with their BS


28 posted on 01/20/2009 8:36:58 PM PST by Canedawg ("When white will embrace what is right."..this is the hope and change "they" want.)
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To: SeminoleSoldier
Assimilation of Muslims is a good thing. The more they feel a part of British/Western Culture instead of a caliphate at war with the rest of the world, the sooner a real peace is viable.

For a more realistic perspective...

Mahdi, Mahdi, whose got the Mahdi?

29 posted on 01/20/2009 8:56:32 PM PST by loboinok (Gun control is hitting what you aim at!)
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To: Sammy67

Not a good sign.


30 posted on 01/20/2009 9:07:36 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: loboinok

400 years ago anybody looking at most Christian societies could have said similar things as are now being said about Muslim societies.

Assimilation of the peaceful is not the same as appeasing the violent. The progress that has been made in Iraq is due in large part to Iraqis turning against al Quaeda and its compatriots.


31 posted on 01/20/2009 9:09:22 PM PST by SeminoleSoldier
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To: SeminoleSoldier

Say agan? please


32 posted on 01/20/2009 9:45:24 PM PST by Rj Snows
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To: Rj SNOW 916

What exactly?


33 posted on 01/20/2009 9:48:24 PM PST by SeminoleSoldier
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To: G8 Diplomat

Zulu: final battle scene.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1csr0dxalpI


34 posted on 01/20/2009 11:19:40 PM PST by shoutingandpointing (All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Edmund Burke)
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To: Sammy67

Lord Baden Powell is spinning in his grave..


35 posted on 01/21/2009 1:25:11 AM PST by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: snarks_when_bored

The scouts will help the unmentionables develop LEADERSHIP skills.

That is even worse


36 posted on 01/21/2009 5:23:40 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 . The original point of America was not to be Europe)
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To: SandRat

As another poster cited, B-P probably would have had little problem with substituting “Allah” for “God”, but dropping the pledge to the Queen would have been anathema.

The highest award in the British Scouts is the Queens’ Award. I don’t know what it is in Scotland. If it is there, I wonder what they’ll do when these guys earn it?


37 posted on 01/21/2009 7:32:10 AM PST by RonF
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To: SandRat; Sammy67

If you take a look at world-wide membership numbers and what countries they are in, you’ll realize that there are probably as many or more Moslems in Scouting as there are of any other single religion.

The country that has the most members is Indonesia - 6 million. And according to the head of the Asia-Pacific Region of World Scouting (who said this in a speech I was present at in Narita, Japan) there are quite likely at least half again as many more that are participating as members but just aren’t on the membership roles due to administrative issues (it’s a Third World country made up of 1000+ islands - the mail doesn’t always get through). Even just adding in the ones that are documented, toss in the Middle East (excluding Israel) and figure that almost all of them are Moslem and you start to see some interesting numbers.

In a number of Asian countries Scouting is part of the school system.


38 posted on 01/21/2009 7:46:22 AM PST by RonF
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The Scouts may have been a Christian organisation originally

This man ought to learn something about Scouting before he presumes to speak for it. That was never true.

39 posted on 01/21/2009 7:48:19 AM PST by RonF
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The Scouts may have been a Christian organisation originally

This man ought to learn something about Scouting before he presumes to speak for it. That was never true.

You are wrong.

I am a member of BP Troop; Gilwell One


40 posted on 01/21/2009 8:00:51 AM PST by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: XeniaSt

As am I. Scouting was not founded as a Christian organization. B-P was certainly a Christian and thought that Christian practice flowed naturally into Scouting, but from the start he welcomed Moslems and Buddhists into Scouting and permitted their practicioners to give public prayers at Scouting functions.


41 posted on 01/21/2009 8:39:49 AM PST by RonF
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To: Sammy67

I have much less of a problem with the Allah part (after all, Scouts are to preach to their god), than I do the idiotic ‘country where I live’ part.


42 posted on 01/21/2009 8:46:58 AM PST by the scotsman
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To: snarks_when_bored

Funny thing is, how do we award the suicide bombing merit badge?


43 posted on 01/21/2009 8:57:43 AM PST by hunter112 (We seem to be on an excrement river in a Native American watercraft without a propulsion device.)
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To: hunter112

Posthumously?


44 posted on 01/21/2009 9:00:26 AM PST by saleman (!!!!)
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To: RonF
Edgar M. Robinson and Lee F. Hanmer became interested in the nascent BSA movement and convinced Boyce to turn the program over to the YMCA for development in April 1910.

I'm afraid you are ignorant of the history,
this was a Christian nation in 1910.

I've been involved with scouting for over fifty years,
dramatic changes have occurred in that time.


45 posted on 01/21/2009 9:30:40 AM PST by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: XeniaSt

The initial reference was to Scouting and B-P, not the BSA. The fact that the BSA has strong roots in Christian organizations is not relevant to the question of whether Scouting was a Christian organization at it’s start in 1907, nor does it validate the statement of a representative of the Scottish Scouting organization.

As far as the BSA goes, it should be noted that while the YMCA had a big hand in it’s early development, it was also given a boost in it’s early history by the Mormon Church, a non-Christian organization. The BSA’s acceptance of non-Christians goes back to it’s very beginning.


46 posted on 01/21/2009 11:20:03 AM PST by RonF
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To: RonF
The initial reference was to Scouting and B-P, not the BSA. The fact that the BSA has strong roots in Christian organizations is not relevant to the question of whether Scouting was a Christian organization at it’s start in 1907, nor does it validate the statement of a representative of the Scottish Scouting organization.

As far as the BSA goes, it should be noted that while the YMCA had a big hand in it’s early development, it was also given a boost in it’s early history by the Mormon Church, a non-Christian organization. The BSA’s acceptance of non-Christians goes back to it’s very beginning.

You are aware the the King/Queen of England
is the head of the Church of England.

The fact that the highest award is known as Kings/Queens
Scout Award, this would imply that it is(was) a Christian Organization.

I have scouted with Mormons for over thirty years.

Most Mormons would strongly disagree with you
as they believe that they are Christians.


47 posted on 01/21/2009 11:47:57 AM PST by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: RonF

My heart burn with British Scout was the removal of the Oath of Allegiance to the Queen. Like you B-P would have accepted the substitution of Allah for God.


48 posted on 01/21/2009 3:06:37 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: RonF

To that I agree.


49 posted on 01/21/2009 3:07:43 PM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: Sammy67

If this is where America is headed then NO MORE GIRL SCOUT COOKIES FOR ME!!!!!!!!!! SACRILEGE!!!


50 posted on 01/21/2009 3:24:30 PM PST by montesquieu
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