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Outrage: Dutch court to prosecute Wilders for Fitna ^ | January 21, 2009 | Robert Spencer

Posted on 01/21/2009 6:57:25 AM PST by Cindy

Note: Video included.

January 21, 2009

For hate speech -- after declining to do so last year, which means that Islamic supremacist groups in the Netherlands have kept up the pressure on lawmakers until they got the outcome they wanted. Hate speech, of course, is in the eye of the beholder, and hate speech laws are tools in the hands of the powerful that they can use to silence the powerless and crush dissent.

And make no mistake: even though the Muslims in the Netherlands and elsewhere in the West present themselves as embattled victims of racism and "Islamophobia," that is exactly what is going on here: this is just one part of the 57-government Organization of the Islamic Conference's efforts to silence speech that they deem critical of Islam -- including "defamation of Islam" that goes under the "pretext" of "freedom of expression, counter terrorism or national security."

If they succeed in doing this, we will be rendered mute, and thus defenseless, in the face of the advancing jihad and attempt to impose Sharia on the West -- in fact, one of the key elements of the laws for dhimmis is that they are never critical of Islam, Muhammad, or the Qur'an, so this initiative not only aids the advance of Sharia in the West, but is itself an element of that advance.

The enemies of free speech are closing in, and we have to stand together now and defend it.

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1 posted on 01/21/2009 6:57:28 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Cindy

Those liberal pricks cannot stand the truth. Watch the video.

2 posted on 01/21/2009 6:58:53 AM PST by shankbear (Al-Qaeda grew while Monica blew)
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To: Cindy
Shameful, we should give him asylum if he wants it.

the 57-government Organization of the Islamic Conference

What Obama really meant when he mentioned 57 states.

3 posted on 01/21/2009 6:59:51 AM PST by thecabal (Keep The Change)
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To: Cindy

The so-called “free inquiry” folks run around shrieking that Christianity is limiting their freedom of thought, while the real threat to everyone’s free speech goes largely uncriticized. The left almost never criticizes Islam, despite its theocratic nature.

4 posted on 01/21/2009 7:01:13 AM PST by B Knotts (Worst economy since the Third Punic War)
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To: All; backhoe; SJackson



Note: The following post is a quote:

COUNTERTERRORISM ^ | December 19, 2008 | Walid Phares
Posted on December 22, 2008 12:53:16 AM PST by Cindy

Over the past nine months, a major campaign promoted by member-states in the Organization of the Islamic Conference (OIC) and its Secretariat General has been aiming at forcing a declaration on “defamation of religion” on the United Nations. The OIC, influenced by radical ideologues including the International Union of Clerics headed by Sheikh Yusuf Qardawi, wants the UN to vote a law banning and punishing any criticism of religion in general and of critical debates about Islam in particular. Aside from obstructing reformers and suppressing democratic movements within Muslim societies, the OIC move will be used by Jihadi Terror networks to further their ideological indoctrination.

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5 posted on 01/21/2009 7:01:18 AM PST by Cindy
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To: Cindy
cross reference: Wilders should be prosecuted, says court (FITNA Islam Video)
6 posted on 01/21/2009 7:04:14 AM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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To: Cindy

Let’s stop focusing on what is going on over there because it is going on over here as well.


7 posted on 01/21/2009 7:18:07 AM PST by joma89
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To: Cindy

Thanks very much for posting, Cindy. BTTT!

8 posted on 01/21/2009 7:20:26 AM PST by PGalt
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They are going to prosecute those who engage in vote fraud? So they’re going to take on their own Dems? We should welcome this. Ha ha.

You would think the civil libertarians who scream bloody murder over Bush’s supposed brutal treatment of terrorists would be the first to speak up for this Dutch outrage but of course there will be mostly silence. Oppression and intimidation are only bad when American Republicans do it.

9 posted on 01/21/2009 7:26:15 AM PST by TNCMAXQ
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To: Cindy; Robert Spencer; All

Thanks to Geert Wilders and MANY THANKS to Robert Spencer. (I read his book “Stealth Jihad” last week while on working/reading...vacation)

11 posted on 01/21/2009 7:45:34 AM PST by PGalt
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Insane murder cult ping.

12 posted on 01/21/2009 7:52:31 AM PST by Travis McGee (
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To: Cindy


13 posted on 01/21/2009 7:56:45 AM PST by Nachum
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MP Wilders to be Prosecuted for Insulting Muslims

THE HAGUE, 22/01/09 - Party for Freedom (PVV) leader Geert Wilders will be prosecuted for “incitement to hatred and discrimination” and “insult of Islamic worshippers”. The appeal court in Amsterdam ruled yesterday that the Public Prosecutor’s Office (OM) must bring a case against the MP.

A series of Islamic organisations and individuals had asked the OM to prosecute Wilders for statements he made on Islam in the media and in his short anti-Islam film ‘Fitna.’ The OM decided in July 2008 that none of these statements were punishable offences, and therefore brought no case against the politician.

The far left organisation Netherland Recognises Colour (Nederland Bekent Kleur) and various Muslim groups and individuals had asked the appeal court to force the OM to prosecute Wilders after all. They got their wish yesterday.

The appeal court considers “that the contested views of Wilders (also as shown in his movie Fitna) constitute a criminal offence according to Dutch law as seen in connection with each other, both because of their contents and the method of presentation. This method of presentation is characterized by biased, strongly generalizing phrasings with a radical meaning, ongoing reiteration and an increasing intensity, as a result of which hate is created.”

Furthermore, “most statements are insulting as well since these statements substantially harm the religious esteem of the Islamic worshippers.” (...) Also, “the instigation of hatred in a democratic society constitutes such a serious matter that a general interest is at stake in order to draw a clear boundary in the public debate.”

Politicians cannot be prosecuted for statements made in parliament. The case however involves statements by Wilders in De Volkskrant and De Pers newspapers, in an Internet column and in Fitna.

In an opinion piece in De Volkskrant, Wilders wrote among other things: “I have had enough of Islam in the Netherlands: no new Muslim immigrants anymore. I have had enough of the worship of Allah and Mohammed in the Netherlands: No more new mosques. I have had enough of the Koran in the Netherlands: Ban that Fascist book.”

“This is a very black day for me and for freedom of speech,” said Wilders in an initial reaction. “I am very affected by it. I absolutely did not expect it.”

In the case that will follow “as well as me, the 500,000 people who have voted for the PVV and everyone that has criticisms of Islam” will stand trial, according to Wilders. “It has apparently come to this in the Netherlands; if you give your views, you run the risk of being prosecuted. Participating in a public debate has become a dangerous activity.”

The appeal court concluded that “the way in which the public debate about controversial issues is held, such as the immigration and integration debate, does not fall within the ambit of the law in principle indeed. But the situation changes when fundamental boundaries are exceeded. Then criminal law does appear as well.”

Wilders fears years of proceedings. “Whoever wins now, this will go right through to the Supreme Court. This will also cost a lot of money. That is not the most important thing, but I do not have so much money.” Wilders could not yet say whether he would consider raising external funds to enable him to pay the legal costs.

The conservatives (VVD) - Wilders was a VVD MP until 2004 - are calling it “worrying” that a parliamentarian is being prosecuted for statements that he has made as a politician. It is the job of a people’s representative to let his views be heard in society, according to VVD MP Fred Teeven.

Labour (PvdA) has however welcomed the prosecution of Wilders. It is “a good thing that judges will rule on the anti-Islamic statements of PVV colleague Geert Wilders”, according to MP Ton Heerts.

Nasr Joenmman, board member of the Muslims and Government Consultative Body (CMO), was also pleased. Organisations affiliated to the CMO had asked the appeal court for the PVV leader’s prosecution. CMO is the cabinet’s official consultative partner on integration policy on behalf of Muslims.

14 posted on 01/21/2009 1:15:38 PM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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15 posted on 01/21/2009 1:17:15 PM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: Cindy

Hate speech? Fitna consists almost entirely of the words and deeds of Muslims. Geert Wilders says little or nothing directly.

Islam convicts itself out of its own mouth.

If there is a hate crime in that movie, it is committed by the Mullahs and the beheaders and the 9/11 hijackers and the train bombers.

16 posted on 01/21/2009 1:22:02 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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Geert Wilders, in his own words:

6 October 2006, De Volkskrant

‘The Netherlands stands on the brink of a tsunami of Muslim immigrants’

8 August, 2007, De Volkskrant

‘The core of the problem is the fascist Islam, the sick ideology of Allah and Muhammed as set out in the Islamic Mein Kampf, the Quran...

The Hague is full of corwards...who are transforming the Netherlands into Netherabia, a province of the superstate Eurabia...

Forbid that facist book. Enough is enough.’

6 September, 2007, integration debate in parliament

‘Minister Vogelaar, you want to help Islam establish roots in Dutch society. And by doing so you demonstrate, in my opinion, that you’re completely nuts.’

1 April 2008, Fitna debate in parliament

‘I’m getting screwed by the Justice Minister, screwed by this worthless piece of paper full of lies...This is a scandal like no other... the entire cabinet, with these lies and deceit, deserves to be sent home.’

17 September, 2008, budget debate in parliament

‘I call them colonists. Muslim colonists. They haven’t come here to integrate, but to take over, to subjugate us.’

17 posted on 01/21/2009 1:38:25 PM PST by knighthawk (We will always remember We will always be proud We will always be prepared so we may always be free)
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To: Cicero

“Fitna consists almost entirely of the words and deeds of Muslims.”


I agree.

18 posted on 01/21/2009 3:02:53 PM PST by Cindy
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To: Cindy

This Dutch Court could get jobs as admin mods at FR ... or maybe they have already.

19 posted on 01/21/2009 3:05:00 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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That’s rather harsh. ;o)

20 posted on 01/21/2009 11:40:49 PM PST by dixiechick2000 (Tagline lost due to the lack of a bailout.)
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