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Obama Giving Up In Iraq; To Make It Official Tomorrow; All Brigates Out In 16 Months.
FOX News | Major Garret

Posted on 01/21/2009 4:19:35 PM PST by MindBender26

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To: piytar

Ooops, sorry all for the double post...


101 posted on 01/21/2009 5:05:51 PM PST by piytar (Atlas is Shrugging. I am Atlas.)
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To: MindBender26

Visions of Viet Nam all over. This will be Obambi aka Soetoro’s Waterloo.


102 posted on 01/21/2009 5:06:03 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: MindBender26
like I told my sister and father what did you guys exspect the guy had backing from terrorist groups , we still really don't know to much about him since his records has never been released , he's fixing to do away with the prisoners , fixing to pull are boys out of Iraq ,and I'm going to tell you something right now WHITE IT DOWN we saw what happen to Bush when Bush started to mess with Israels land Bush had one of the lowest approval ratings and Cheney left in a wheel chair if Obama messes with Israel to much .....Obama will face the lords wrath like other people and countries has.
103 posted on 01/21/2009 5:08:41 PM PST by MATSEVAH
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To: do the dhue

I do have Obama derangement syndrome. Caught it yesterday watching his divisive speech, his racist preacher’s prayer and his supporters booing President Bush!

I look forward to treating Obama the same way that they have treated President Bush for the last 8 years and will spending my time and money doing so!


104 posted on 01/21/2009 5:08:48 PM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: MindBender26

This guy will be the death of this country. Up next: Bush’s New World Order.


105 posted on 01/21/2009 5:09:56 PM PST by Terry Mross (Is this our last REAL Christmas?)
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To: MindBender26
Obama Giving Up In Iraq; To Make It Official Tomorrow; All Brigates Out In 16 Months

And this is a surprise to whom???

106 posted on 01/21/2009 5:10:46 PM PST by DustyMoment (FloriDUH - proud inventors of pregnant/hanging chads and judicide!!)
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To: brushcop

God Bless your son for serving. Afghanistan is fixing to calm down though because all the Afghanistan jihadees will begin pouring back into Iraq as soon as Obama pulls our combat forces out. Mark my word!


107 posted on 01/21/2009 5:12:53 PM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: MindBender26

He sure isn’t wasting any time is he? OK, America - here’s the change you said you wanted - I sure hope it works out somehow, but I’m not optimistic at this point.

Absolute insanity... And, a slap in the face to ALL of our brave troops who have sacrificed thus far. Knowing who Obama’s allies are in the Muslim world (esp. the direct connection through Raila Odinga with the terrorists) this doesn’t surprise me a bit.

This is just one more way to destroy America’s standing in the world by turning our back on the Iraqis we vowed to help. Obama could care less if the terrorists move back in — waiting all the while we clear out.

Obama’s supporters are delusional when it comes to understanding the threats that face us within the world, and Obama is COUNTING on the threats in order to secure more power for himself.

May God bless our brave troops, as well as all the U.S. and foreign nation support troops and civilians. May they know that there are those of us who really do appreciate all they’ve sacrificed for us thus far in the Middle East. May God bless the Iraqis as well - please remember no matter what propaganda you hear there is about half of this nation - if not more that do NOT agree with this President’s decisions...


108 posted on 01/21/2009 5:13:35 PM PST by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ Pro-Palin & NObama Gear : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: MindBender26
You are so right......this is so devastating. He is putting a time frame on the hard won freedom and new way of living the Iraqis area still in the throes of developing. He knows doing this will discourage our military over there and paralize the Iraqis who know the faces of the evil terrorists.

Terrorists who only have to wait now....wait for a few months until American forces are gone.

Shades of the Cambodian killing fields that the liberals in America are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR CONSIDERING WE WON EVERY CONFLICT OVER THERE!

BUT WHO KNEW THIS???? The press corp did not TELL US!!

Thanks press corp.....for the millions that were killed when South Vietnam was taken over after you flooded our nation with negative information ONLY!

And special thanks to one WALTER CRONKITE who could only report on body bags and NEVER ON SUCCESS. I was one of the kids who was fooled and LIED TO BY YOU and bought your CRAP hook line and sinker! Never again.

We have the same press corp back...girlish men, full of stupidity and cowardice who have NEVER worn a uniform and who have NO KNOWLEDGE that freedom is NOT FREE!

I HATE, DESPISE and will NEVER FORGET THIS MOMENT!

Open note to silly Barack...........YOU ARE EXACTLY AS STUPID AND IMMORAL AS YOU and your sick party appear.

THERE IS NOTHING GOOD about YOUR PRINCIPLES!

You are willing to have babies ABOUT TO BE BORN literally PULLED APART so that they will DIE inside mommy (bleed to death) so as not to be called murder (outside the mommy) but rather PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION (inside the mommy death)-IMO--THAT MAKES YOU FLAT OUT EVIL.

And now you are willing to cause the FALL of IRAQ, to TRASH the efforts of military men and women who sacrificed the ULTIMATE to help Iraq gain freedom and rid their world of terrorists havens.

YOU ARE BLIND, OBAMA.

You are not man enough to be our commander in chief.

It should not be surprising to ANYONE that you refused to go and visit our sick and injured troops overseas while you were there because there was NO PRESS ALLOWED. My goodness....why should you, our narcissist primo leader, ever waste time doing anything that does not give you a return....IE...the press corp fawning over you.

You MAKE ME SICK.

NO WONDER YOU STAYED WITH REV WRIGHT FOR 20 YEARS.....YOU DON'T POSSESS ANY ETHICS OR MORALS.

I am SO WORRIED about our troops and our system of defense with a creepy immature unformed blob of liberalism, such as you, running our nation.

Rant/ (for now)

109 posted on 01/21/2009 5:14:03 PM PST by Republic (B. Hussein Obama looks a LOT MORE LIKE A CHIMP than President Bush!)
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To: freekitty

110 posted on 01/21/2009 5:15:05 PM PST by Prole (Please pray for the families of Chris and Channon. May God always watch over them.)
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To: CindyDawg
Read the book. In the end , we win.

Yeah, but the part before we win is not going to be pretty. Of course, starting yesterday, it's already not pretty.

111 posted on 01/21/2009 5:17:30 PM PST by MathDoc (Don't blame me, I voted for Governor Palin and the wrinkly white-haired guy)
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To: MindBender26

The Iraqi army will be overtaken and slaughtered by Iran. Thanks Obama!


112 posted on 01/21/2009 5:19:30 PM PST by My Favorite Headache (Forget the 3AM phone call. Obama can not even answer the phone at 3PM.)
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To: MindBender26

We are going to lose in Afghanistan also. Anyway, a far more dangerous, and nearby, danger is the situation in Mexico. The whole coutry is on the verge of becoming a failed state.


113 posted on 01/21/2009 5:22:36 PM PST by attiladhun2 (Obama is the anti-Reagan, he believes government is the solution, rather than the problem)
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To: ldish
sorry...i have believed my whole life intil the last 6 months...GOD is out to lunch or on break...hell is about to break loose...if this were 1776 we would all still have a queen today...

For an example of what God does to nations that enjoy His blessings only to turn their collective backs on them, I recommend the ping-pong-like example demonstrated by the Jews in the Penteteuch, Judges, Samuel I & II, Kings I & II, and Chronicles I & II. The apocryphal histories of the revolt of the Macabees, coupled with the falling away and legalism of the saducees and pharisees in the intertestamentary period and in the New Testament also provide great examples.

And it's not just the Jews -- it's all of us. If you're asking what God is doing, you have to admit the possibility that President Zero and his Merry Band in Congress are God's punishment on our nation for collectively ignoring and denigrating him at every opportunity in our modern culture.

114 posted on 01/21/2009 5:24:34 PM PST by FateAmenableToChange
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To: MindBender26

This is what “the people” voted for.

Let those who voted for Obama send their kids to war next time to clean up the resultant messes.


115 posted on 01/21/2009 5:25:13 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: luckystarmom

God is in control and He has a plan, but not everything that happens on this planet is His perfect will, and there are times when He has not prevented awful things from taking place. I was just hoping we could avoid all that, but apparently not. I certainly don’t see why He would allow a pro-abortion president to take office so more of His babies will be killed. The logic escapes my simple human brain.


116 posted on 01/21/2009 5:29:43 PM PST by ottbmare
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To: NutCrackerBoy

The real result is surrender to Iran. Elections have consequences so enjoy our first president who is an “I don’t give a damn” leftist.


117 posted on 01/21/2009 5:30:13 PM PST by Williams (It's The Policies, Stupid.)
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To: Thinkin

It’s always give them enough rope ....


118 posted on 01/21/2009 5:31:10 PM PST by SkyDancer ("Talent Without Ambition Is Sad, Ambition Without Talent Is Worse")
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To: penelopesire
You appear to have the symptoms of Post Traumatic Barack Obama Stress Disorder (PTBOSD). I suffer from these same symptoms. It is not your fault when you have PTBOSD. It is caused by Barack Obama. Bush Derangement Syndrome means that the person who has BDS is deranged. The same goes for ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome).

If I were you, I would opt for PTBOSD. Then you can say, ‘it is Obama’s fault’ and it will be true! ;-)

119 posted on 01/21/2009 5:32:34 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. - One of General Abram's men)
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To: Old Sarge

The one hope I held out for this country was that Obama knows if we are attacked after his policies are in effect, it will be all on his shoulders. No blaming Bush.

I guess I was wrong.


120 posted on 01/21/2009 5:37:56 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: do the dhue

lol..sounds good to me! Wonder if I can get the government to pay for my meds when the dems destroy our healthcare system?


121 posted on 01/21/2009 5:40:06 PM PST by penelopesire ("The only CHANGE you will get with the Democrats is the CHANGE left in your pocket")
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To: Murp
What we MUST communicate to our brave servicemen is that they MUST stay the course. For our warriors to get out of the military would be the END of our Republic. Obama wants nothing more than to PACK the military with his political zombies. Patriotism equals staying the course. Our military is the only thing that stands between freedom and tyranny. God bless our nation and God bless our military.

The problem is with Obama in charge- the type of officers promoted to the top immediately will be the political zombies, and they will promote the political zombies and so on. With leadership sorry from the very top down it will be extremely difficult for the decent troops to perform their job and out of sheer day to day frustration with the lack of effective leadership and the cost cuts and downsizing the dims are famous for. When the good troops feel their being there no longer makes a difference or is appreciated they leave. We cannot expect them to do otherwise.

122 posted on 01/21/2009 5:40:57 PM PST by Tammy8 (Please Support and pray for our Troops, as they serve us every day.)
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To: BossLady

All he can.


123 posted on 01/21/2009 5:45:46 PM PST by sport
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To: muawiyah

This is the plan that Bush negotiated. Also, your hyperbole is absurd.


124 posted on 01/21/2009 5:48:20 PM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of, and the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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To: Krodg

“Yeah, revoking President Bush’s EO on re-investigating those chosen to hold America’s trust.”

I missed that one too. What’s up?


125 posted on 01/21/2009 5:49:19 PM PST by PLMerite ("Unarmed, one can only flee from Evil. But Evil isn't overcome by fleeing from it." Jeff Cooper)
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Just Great!

My hubby did 2 tours, my son 1....luckily they both came back safe but we lost 4 years as a family...4 years we gladly gave to this fight in Iraq...but now I feel it was all wasted..4 years we will never get back......my only thought is of those families who paid a higher price...I can’t imagine what they are thinking now......God help us and God help the people of Iraq...tears


126 posted on 01/21/2009 5:51:04 PM PST by mystery-ak (my heroes Mike and Jonathan)
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To: penelopesire

LOL

I am sure they would be willing to pay, but the wait may kill you.


127 posted on 01/21/2009 5:51:47 PM PST by do the dhue (They've got us surrounded again. The poor bastards. - One of General Abram's men)
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To: Repeal The 17th
our affirmative action president

Is this just your nickname for him or do you have actual evidence that he has benefited from an affirmative action program?
128 posted on 01/21/2009 5:56:35 PM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of, and the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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To: MindBender26
do I really have to say it???

129 posted on 01/21/2009 6:02:57 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: MindBender26

Out in 16 months, back in 17 months


130 posted on 01/21/2009 6:03:22 PM PST by mojitojoe ( A nation of sheep will beget a government of wolves)
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To: LanaTurnerOverdrive

Do you have any actual evidence that Hussein is legally eligible to be President? Didn’t he travel to Indonesia on a Indonesian passport? Did he enter Occidental College as a Indonesian citizen?

He is the first and only President to flub the oaf of office. Obviously the man isn’t bright. Affirmative action prez, no doubt.


131 posted on 01/21/2009 6:11:58 PM PST by chrt30
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To: Republic
WOW....get a grip..
132 posted on 01/21/2009 6:13:47 PM PST by MainC0re
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To: All
Obama asks Pentagon for responsible Iraq drawdown sounds mostly like Bush's plan....
133 posted on 01/21/2009 6:26:01 PM PST by mystery-ak (my heroes Mike and Jonathan)
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To: Chode

What’s the line you have in mind?

I’m stuck on “I have just discovered there is gambling in Casablanca”... and that isn’t working here.


134 posted on 01/21/2009 6:41:57 PM PST by MindBender26 (ATTN: Rev. Lowery: Sorry 'bout that, but I am White, and I got it Right years ago!)
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To: Chode

What’s the line you have in mind?

I’m stuck on “I have just discovered there is gambling in Casablanca”... and that isn’t working here.


135 posted on 01/21/2009 6:41:57 PM PST by MindBender26 (ATTN: Rev. Lowery: Sorry 'bout that, but I am White, and I got it Right years ago!)
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To: Republic
"You are so right......this is so devastating. He is putting a time frame on the hard won freedom and new way of living the Iraqis area still in the throes of developing. He knows doing this will discourage our military over there and paralize the Iraqis who know the faces of the evil terrorists.

Terrorists who only have to wait now....wait for a few months until American forces are gone.

Shades of the Cambodian killing fields that the liberals in America are DIRECTLY RESPONSIBLE FOR CONSIDERING WE WON EVERY CONFLICT OVER THERE!

BUT WHO KNEW THIS???? The press corp did not TELL US!!

Thanks press corp.....for the millions that were killed when South Vietnam was taken over after you flooded our nation with negative information ONLY!

And special thanks to one WALTER CRONKITE who could only report on body bags and NEVER ON SUCCESS. I was one of the kids who was fooled and LIED TO BY YOU and bought your CRAP hook line and sinker! Never again.

We have the same press corp back...girlish men, full of stupidity and cowardice who have NEVER worn a uniform and who have NO KNOWLEDGE that freedom is NOT FREE!

I HATE, DESPISE and will NEVER FORGET THIS MOMENT!

Open note to silly Barack...........YOU ARE EXACTLY AS STUPID AND IMMORAL AS YOU and your sick party appear.

THERE IS NOTHING GOOD about YOUR PRINCIPLES! You are willing to have babies ABOUT TO BE BORN literally PULLED APART so that they will DIE inside mommy (bleed to death) so as not to be called murder (outside the mommy) but rather PARTIAL BIRTH ABORTION (inside the mommy death)-IMO--THAT MAKES YOU FLAT OUT EVIL.

And now you are willing to cause the FALL of IRAQ, to TRASH the efforts of military men and women who sacrificed the ULTIMATE to help Iraq gain freedom and rid their world of terrorists havens.

YOU ARE BLIND, OBAMA.

You are not man enough to be our commander in chief.

It should not be surprising to ANYONE that you refused to go and visit our sick and injured troops overseas while you were there because there was NO PRESS ALLOWED. My goodness....why should you, our narcissist primo leader, ever waste time doing anything that does not give you a return....IE...the press corp fawning over you.

You MAKE ME SICK.

NO WONDER YOU STAYED WITH REV WRIGHT FOR 20 YEARS.....YOU DON'T POSSESS ANY ETHICS OR MORALS.

I am SO WORRIED about our troops and our system of defense with a creepy immature unformed blob of liberalism, such as you, running our nation."

MEGA DITTOS!!!!

136 posted on 01/21/2009 6:55:43 PM PST by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Democrats: Seeking an easy life at someone else's expense for 150 years")
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To: bray

If they keep the Shia’s out of power-—who are aligned with Iran, more power to them.


137 posted on 01/21/2009 6:56:27 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: MainC0re

Main...I applaud Republic’s anger...it’s high time we Conservatives GET angry and make our voices heard...sitting back and being “civil” has gotten us WHERE?


138 posted on 01/21/2009 6:59:31 PM PST by EnigmaticAnomaly ("Democrats: Seeking an easy life at someone else's expense for 150 years")
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To: Marine_Uncle

Some troops will be left...it’s time for Iraq to shoulder some responsibility...Afghanistan is a must...we are losing Afghanistan and probably Pakistan as well. This is very similar to the agreement brokered with the Iraqis by Bush...the poster who said Bush won, but Obama will get credit is correct. We have to deal with Afghanistan and Iran and soon.


139 posted on 01/21/2009 7:02:41 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: bronxboy

Not exactly, they worked for the Saddamn regime. One was a money launderer who stole from the Food for Oil funds and the other convicted on corruption charges related to the rebuilding of the electrical grid in Iraq. These are very dangerous men who will try to oppress the Iraqi people.

Baathists are Stalinist communists.

Pray for America, Our Troops and Obama’s Salvation


140 posted on 01/21/2009 7:08:28 PM PST by bray (He ran on Hope and Change, we got More and Same)
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To: bray

I know who they are, but Shia is far more dangerous with their alliance to Iran.


141 posted on 01/21/2009 7:26:55 PM PST by bronxboy
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To: Old Sarge

Message to terrorists in Iraq: Go quiet and wait until the US pulls out. Then destroy everything the troops worked for.


142 posted on 01/21/2009 7:27:30 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. Margret Thatcher)
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To: piytar
If things go horribly wrong, it will be President Bush's fault. If things go great, Obama will take the credit. It is a done deal.

Obama is trying to get these issues addressed and over with now and early so that he can always go back and say that he at least tried. Once he finds out that he can't do certain things and didn't know beans about what he promised in the campaign, he will certainly be painted into a corner.

143 posted on 01/21/2009 7:30:56 PM PST by Swede Girl
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To: MindBender26

Were the words “peace with honor” uttered?


144 posted on 01/21/2009 7:32:49 PM PST by Nachoman (Think of life as an adventure you don't survive.)
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To: Prole

EXACTLY!!! This will be Iraq! Remember, the Democrat congress sold out the Vietnamese! History is about to repeat itself! Never, ever trust a Democrat.


145 posted on 01/21/2009 7:35:51 PM PST by Swede Girl
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To: MindBender26; silent_jonny; mkjessup; penelopesire; Murp; Marine_Uncle

Below is Article 24 from the Status of Forces Agreement, which gives a timeline close to what he is to announce. By ignoring the Status of Forces Agreement as a clear validation of victory, and instead making a pronouncement on troop withdrawls, Obama and his cohorts are able to deny they were wrong. The article also says combat brigades, and a lot of forces are not part of combat brigades.

My take on this was the letter following the agreement article, which never saw the light of day, because only the shoe incident was part of the news cycle.

Here is a link to the entire agreement when you click on the PDF file: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=status+forces+agreement+text&btnG=Google+Search&aq=f&oq

Article 24

Withdrawal of the United States Forces from Iraq

Recognizing the performance and increasing capacity of the Iraqi Security Forces, the
assumption of full security responsibility by those Forces, and based upon the strong
relationship between the Parties, an agreement on the following has been reached:

1. All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than
December 31, 2011.

2. All United States combat forces shall withdraw from Iraqi cities, villages, and
localities no later than the time at which Iraqi Security Forces assume full responsibility
for security in an Iraqi province, provided that such withdrawal is completed no later than
June 30, 2009.

3. United States combat forces withdrawn pursuant to paragraph 2 above shall be
stationed in the agreed facilities and areas outside cities, villages, and localities to be
designated by the JMOCC before the date established in paragraph 2 above.

The Status of Forces Agreement (SOFA) portends victory. Iraq and U.S. as two sovereign, and coequal countries agreed on ways forward implementing U.N. principles and purposes. Iraqi pragmatic evaluations of conditions lead talks for disengagement: not U.S. election cycle driven timelines.

General Petraeus testified the surge would execute proven counterinsurgency tactics “to improve the security for the people of Iraq in order to give Iraqi leaders the time and space they need to come to grips with tough political issues”. Throughout 2008 Iraqi people and leaders experienced deliverance from lives dominated by assassins stalking them and their families. They witnessed national institution ascendance in providing personal and material security.

Persistence for Iraq representative government thwarted al Qaeda determination that Babylon becomes the Caliphate rallying point. In Iraq, U.S. earned credibility as a counter force to all horrid factions applying murderous coercion when striving to dominate African, Oriental, and Asian politics.

Invigorating new allies’ confrontational initiatives brings Global War on Terror victory by frustrating plans, breaking alliances, and fracturing jihadist organizations into ever less effective units. Without cities, countries or armies bin Laden, successor sociopath prophets, and tyrants they empower only dream of conquest as they suffer unnaturally shortened lives as pariahs.

Yet administration leaders Obama, Biden and Clinton voted for removing most troops by April 2008, and preventing this victory. Their behavior portends traditional ally abandonment. Their actions portend escaping commitment, and reviving self-congratulatory righteousness within elegant foreign policies redefining national interest, proportional response, multi-lateralism, re-deployment and exit strategy.


146 posted on 01/21/2009 7:39:37 PM PST by Retain Mike
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To: wk4bush2004

Because he just can’t fathom military strategy, and maybe, just maybe, he wants the enemy to win (despite what he says)

Time will tell if he will ever heed the advice of any of his military advisers. If I were one of them, I’d walk off the job. Why advise him if he’s not gonna listen?


147 posted on 01/21/2009 7:39:37 PM PST by HotLead61
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To: FoundersRWatching

It won’t happen until he’s out of office (however that happens)


148 posted on 01/21/2009 7:41:04 PM PST by HotLead61
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To: MindBender26
i'm Shocked, SHOCKED i tell you that 0bamas first move will be surrender in Iraq...
149 posted on 01/21/2009 7:46:00 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist -)
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To: Irishhighlander

You think the troops would actually comply with those orders? Maybe at first, but not for long///


150 posted on 01/21/2009 7:51:10 PM PST by HotLead61
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