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Poll to FREEP: Is waterboarding torture?
Libertarian Party ^ | January 22, 2009 | the eagle has landed

Posted on 01/22/2009 10:16:24 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded

Is waterboarding torture? Yes

60% (465 votes) No

40% (304 votes) Total votes: 769


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KEYWORDS: poll; surfing; torture; waterboarding
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1 posted on 01/22/2009 10:16:25 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

It’s 60% yes, 40% no


2 posted on 01/22/2009 10:17:15 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

No.

Let ‘em try surfing.


3 posted on 01/22/2009 10:18:22 PM PST by period end of story
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

The very fact that it’s controversial tells me that it’s not torture. You wouldn’t get anything like a 60/40 split on fingernail pulling, electric shock, burning with cigarettes, or physical beatings.


4 posted on 01/22/2009 10:21:39 PM PST by squidly
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

How do I vote? There’s no way to vote at this site.


5 posted on 01/22/2009 10:24:15 PM PST by SoldierDad (Proud Dad of a U.S. Army Infantry Soldier presently instructing at Ft. Benning.)
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To: period end of story

agreed,no. hung by your arms that are roped up behind your back, s.l.o.w.l.y lowered into a vat of acid feet first is torture.


6 posted on 01/22/2009 10:26:43 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: squidly

Having an endless stream of Hussein pics and ass-kissing propaganda by the MSM is TORTURE enough.


7 posted on 01/22/2009 10:32:47 PM PST by max americana
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To: bobby.223
It isn't torture if you cut the feet off before lowering him .....
8 posted on 01/22/2009 10:33:47 PM PST by period end of story
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Sawing heads off with dull machetes is torture..... (ie Pearl).

Wet washcloth on face is not torture.


9 posted on 01/22/2009 10:37:15 PM PST by cowdog77 ("Are there any brave men left in Washington, or are they all cowards?")
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To: SoldierDad

Click on the link at the top, when you get to the Libertarian Party page scroll down and the poll is in the middle


10 posted on 01/22/2009 10:41:10 PM PST by TheEaglehasLanded
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Yes it is torture. And what’s wrong with torture?


11 posted on 01/22/2009 10:41:49 PM PST by montag813 (www.FreepShop.com)
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To: montag813

nufsed


12 posted on 01/22/2009 10:42:10 PM PST by nufsed
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To: squidly

True.. They don’t come near to death and it doesn’t injure them. It’s a mind/body reflex that they are drowning.. GOOD! SCARE THE INFO OUT OF THEM!


13 posted on 01/22/2009 10:42:50 PM PST by divine_moment_of_facts
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To: montag813
Yes it is torture. And what’s wrong with torture?

Nothing, so long as I'm the one doing the torturing.

14 posted on 01/22/2009 10:55:25 PM PST by period end of story
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Ron Paul is torture. Waterboarding him would be OK.


15 posted on 01/22/2009 10:57:37 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

It most certainly IS torture....and I have no problem with it whatsoever.


16 posted on 01/22/2009 11:01:53 PM PST by LanaTurnerOverdrive ("I've done a few things in my life I'm not proud of, and the things I am proud of are disgusting.")
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Is being trapped on the upper floors of TWTC on 9-11-01 “torture?

Is jumping out of TWTC to one’s death “torture”?

Is enduring 4 years of Michelle Obama “torture”?


17 posted on 01/22/2009 11:04:15 PM PST by A_Former_Democrat
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To: montag813

I figure torture is anything that is used to force you into doing something you would rather not do. So is waterboarding torture? Of course. But is it a good kind of torture? You bet it is. No physical scars - just a surefire way to get needed info from the bad guys.


18 posted on 01/22/2009 11:10:13 PM PST by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless, indisputable clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: DennisR
I agree that waterboarding is torture.

I think we need to use it on occasion. It would seem that torture exists in varying degrees. Some of the considerations would be permanent damage, amount of pain or discomfort, length of the torture, period of recovery, offering or not offering medical attention, physical or psychological.

It would seem that all of these factors would be considered and that we should have a range of tortures available for the situation and the resistance of the person being tortured.

I can't wait for the first death caused because we pussfooted around a suspect who wouldn't talk and people died.

19 posted on 01/22/2009 11:17:02 PM PST by nufsed
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To: nufsed; TigersEye
I can't wait for the first death caused because we pussyfooted around a suspect who wouldn't talk and people died.

I am sure people have died already. I can't understand why water boarding shouldn't be used. I am for torture. In fact I could come up with quite a few ways to make terrorists talk & none of them would be as nice as water boarding. And I wouldn't feel any guilt over them either. I don't feel we can deal sanely with a bunch of kooks who are willing to be jihadists. I also believe if they can behead then all is fair in war. You behead Americans then we toss you into a pen of hungry pigs or you talk asap.

20 posted on 01/22/2009 11:32:07 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

All those who think WB is torture will be happy to know that the yes vote is winnning by 57%-43%.


21 posted on 01/22/2009 11:32:27 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (Charter Member, 58 Million Club)
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To: pandoraou812

You’re barbaric, pandy. ~8^O


22 posted on 01/22/2009 11:36:14 PM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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To: TigersEye

Sigh, I suppose so. But I would get them to talk. Barbaric fits me. I never claimed not to be , lmao!


23 posted on 01/22/2009 11:42:05 PM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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To: Drango
Ron Paul is torture. Waterboarding him would be OK.

I support waterboarding of hijackers of vehicles or threads.

24 posted on 01/22/2009 11:50:09 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Is waterboarding torture? NO

The real question everyone should be asking is.......

Is watching the liberal Mediascum doing collective ejaculations over the Obamessiah a form of torture?

There the answer must be a firm YES.


25 posted on 01/22/2009 11:50:21 PM PST by Enchante (Jan. 20, 2009: There is not enough scotch whiskey in the world to drown my sorrows now..........)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
Of course it's not torture. FReepers would be perfectly fine with it if we were involved in a war with lawful combatants and American troops were subjected to it, I'm sure.



Ha! Yeah, right.

26 posted on 01/22/2009 11:52:56 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: pandoraou812

That’s fine...let’s just announce that they are unlawful combatants and that we’re not fighting in accordance with the Hague/Geneva Conventions... But the double-talk is a problem.


27 posted on 01/22/2009 11:57:53 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded
Just about everything can be torture to someone.

What matters is what degree of discomfort is acceptable when trying to extract information which can save the lives of victims of terrorism.

What amount of torture would have been acceptable to save the lives of 3,000 people in the twin towers? I would say as much as necessary, even if it results in death afterwards. A terrorists life is not worth preserving, even if only ONE American life is at risk in a terrorist attack.

I wonder how much torture would be acceptable if it was an anti torture persons family being held hostage and one of the terrorists involved were captured?

28 posted on 01/23/2009 12:10:34 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: max americana
"Having an endless stream of Hussein pics and ass-kissing propaganda by the MSM is TORTURE enough."

Absolutely that's torture!

29 posted on 01/23/2009 12:13:01 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: A_Former_Democrat

Helen Thomas pic in 5...4...3...


30 posted on 01/23/2009 12:14:02 AM PST by Cymbaline (I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stress I repeat myself when under stres)
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To: Gondring; TigersEye
Double talk is a problem.

I can't imagine how many wannabe muslim terrorists are sitting in Trenton state prison right now. Or all the other prisons. What bothers me is that we are not fighting normal people. How do you fight animals that will cut off your head? Or kill school girls? Use children to shield themselves? IMHO you can't fight fairly. They don't understand it. Or care if they die. They want to die & get those virgins. So why is there all this concern over water boarding? I don't want to be nice, I want to stay alive & be able to live the life I have. ( or hope my life stays a bit the same in the next 4 yrs)

31 posted on 01/23/2009 12:16:01 AM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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To: Cymbaline
"Helen Thomas pic in 5...4...3..."

NOOOOOOOOOO! AAAIIIEEEEEEEEE! STOP IT! I GIVE!

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32 posted on 01/23/2009 12:18:45 AM PST by Nathan Zachary
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To: Nathan Zachary

I am sure I am going to have nightmares tonight after seeing that. That picture ought to be in the face of every jailed terrorist. Here is one of those virgins you plan on getting. EWW!


33 posted on 01/23/2009 12:32:56 AM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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To: cowdog77

Evidently removing Saddam Hussein from power was unjust.

His putting people alive in industrial shredders was A OK with his defenders.


34 posted on 01/23/2009 12:47:17 AM PST by Carley (Remember when we had a real President)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

55

45

the no votes are gaining


35 posted on 01/23/2009 12:49:09 AM PST by Carley (Remember when we had a real President)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

I don’t care if waterboarding is torture.
If it would save American servicemens lives I’d torture my mother in law.


36 posted on 01/23/2009 3:01:22 AM PST by Joe Boucher (An enemy of Islam)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Yes, it’s a lesser form of torture, So what?


37 posted on 01/23/2009 3:09:47 AM PST by Fzob (In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock. Jefferson)
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To: Gondring

“Of course it’s not torture. FReepers would be perfectly fine with it if we were involved in a war with lawful combatants and American troops were subjected to it, I’m sure.”

As opposed to having one’s privates hooked up to electrical cables? Or having one’s fingernails pulled out? Or burning one’s hair off? Damn right it isn’t torture. But, is waterboarding scary? You bet. That’s why it is employed. If, for instance, the cops haul your ass in and draw you a mind picture of going to prison and becoming some 300-pound perv’s bitch is not illegal or considered torture (and it is not, because that and other dire depictions are used all the time), then waterboarding isn’t torture. You have to put this issue into persepective.


38 posted on 01/23/2009 3:18:21 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Gondring

“But the double-talk is a problem.”

I agree. I always thought not treating them like the unlawful scum they are was a mistake.


39 posted on 01/23/2009 3:20:07 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

Which would you pick, water boarding or mean wife? I’ll take water board, less painful. I volunteer my X to harass the terrorist to death!


40 posted on 01/23/2009 3:21:35 AM PST by MrPiper
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To: pandoraou812

“I can’t imagine how many wannabe muslim terrorists are sitting in Trenton state prison right now. Or all the other prisons. What bothers me is that we are not fighting normal people. How do you fight animals that will cut off your head? Or kill school girls? Use children to shield themselves? IMHO you can’t fight fairly. They don’t understand it. Or care if they die. They want to die & get those virgins. So why is there all this concern over water boarding? I don’t want to be nice, I want to stay alive & be able to live the life I have. ( or hope my life stays a bit the same in the next 4 yrs).”

My sentiments exactly.


41 posted on 01/23/2009 3:21:58 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

I look at it this way: If, say, some gang of pukes holds a member of my family hostage, and I just happen to catch one of those gangmembers, he would talk or he would die.


42 posted on 01/23/2009 3:26:11 AM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

I don’t think so. I seem to remember waterboarding being used on guys as part of U.S. Navy SAR training.


43 posted on 01/23/2009 4:22:53 AM PST by shorty_harris
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

it’s not torture. it’s effective interrogation.
(liberals don’t like effective interrogation of their allies. wo, they call it torture.)

IMHO


44 posted on 01/23/2009 4:23:26 AM PST by ripley
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To: bobby.223

Torture isn’t black and white, it isn’t just NOT torture if it’s less painful than other obvious ways of torture.

I think it is torture, just a low profile way.


45 posted on 01/23/2009 5:12:01 AM PST by hjaze
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To: Gondring
Of course it's not torture. FReepers would be perfectly fine with it if we were involved in a war with lawful combatants and American troops were subjected to it, I'm sure.

It's hard to waterboard an American troop, after he's been beheaded.

I'm positive that any captured American troop would prefer waterboarding compared to the actual torture that the islamic terrorists use.

46 posted on 01/23/2009 6:25:44 AM PST by USS Alaska (Nuke the terrorist savages - In Honor of Standing Wolf)
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To: hjaze

Should our military no longer put our own troops through waterboarding (so they can be prepared to handle it if they are captured) since clearly no other country would ever waterboard or otherwise we’d be hearing about it?


47 posted on 01/23/2009 10:51:47 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: USS Alaska

I have yet to ever hear John Fragging Kerry ever declare that Al Qaeda or other jihadists use techniques befitting of Genghis Khan.


48 posted on 01/23/2009 10:53:23 AM PST by a fool in paradise
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To: TheEaglehasLanded

I can say as a libertarian... No. The terrorists initiated force against us. I don’t give a flip what happens to ‘em after that.


49 posted on 01/23/2009 11:05:01 AM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Joe Boucher
I see no one has given you the reply you were looking for
so I guess it's up to me to show you a little compassion.

"Waterboarding would save American servicemen's lives, gare-own-teed." - TigersEye

50 posted on 01/23/2009 11:09:28 AM PST by TigersEye (This is the age of the death of reason.)
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