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Jan. 21, 2009. Gun Rights Licensing Planned (HR 45) PLUS -- SHOT Show 2009
GunLaw.com ^ | 22 January, 2009 | Alan Korwin

Posted on 01/23/2009 4:30:41 AM PST by marktwain

The Shooting, Hunting and Outdoor Trade (SHOT) Show is the biggest meeting of gun, ammo and accessory companies in the world, open only to the trade (nearly 50,000 people). Miles and miles of aisles, it's exhausting (and astounding!).

Commerce was so robust Jan. 15 - 18 at SHOT this year there was little time to waste on a tiny concern like the constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

That's SOP at SHOT, a discussion for another day. At SHOT the focus is to sell more product, open more accounts, introduce new designs, make marketing plans and party at night. Were you at the monster Glock bash? What a band... and the food!

The fact that the entire industry is based on a fragile 27-word line written on parchment two centuries ago is lost in the shuffle. And for the huge police and military segment, with their own acres of floor space at the Orlando show, it simply doesn't matter at all.

The gun-rights community sees this as hopelessly shortsighted of course, and the firearms industry sees it as business as usual. They're both right. Let me tell you where the two sides meet -- at HR 45, the proposed bill that requires you to pass a test to have gun rights. Complete details below. Will a reduction of gun rights affect the gun business? You betcha.

Most intriguing new piece of gear at the SHOT Show this year, in my opinion -- a bayonet for handguns. How did we overlook this essential extra for so many years?

Gunfighting rule #62: When you're out of ammo, it's better to swing a blade than an empty gun. It comes with a sheath, but how would you holster the thing? Fits any standard rail, attaches without tools, blade by Ka-Bar.

2. HR 45 -- Gun Rights Licensing Test 2. HR 45 -- Gun Rights Licensing Test

Illinois congressman Bobby Rush, from Obama's home state and with a voting record on gun ownership as bad as Obama's, introduced a bill on the first day of the 111th Congress that shows what we can expect. If we don't defeat this bill, and others expected to follow it, gun owners will lose guns and the industry will suffer harm beyond description.

Under HR 45, if you can't pass a complex test written by the U.S. Attorney General (described in detail below), pay the tax, give up fingerprints and a biometric-capable photo of yourself (that can be turned into a digital facial-recognition number and used as a de facto national ID), every gun you own will become contraband and subject to confiscation, while you stand trial before imprisonment. You'd think Bobby, a former black panther, would know better.

Your rights will have an expiration date, and if you screw up and miss it, you'll be in the same mess as people who can't pass the test. Can you say "unconstitutional"? Do you think these "gun bigots" care?

Now that the Supreme Court has made it clear in the Heller case that government can't ban guns, the Brady's have stopped saying they want to ban guns. So the virtually treasonous Bobby Rush bill doesn't ban guns, it bans gun owners, maybe by the millions. How many gun owners read poorly or don't test well? How many can't explain local, state and federal gun laws? They'd become prohibited possessors under HR 45. Are there any limits to what the AG can put on the test? The bill doesn't mention any -- it gives the AG a free hand to include anything.

Had enough? HR 45 has an innocent-looking line that says 'strike the second sentence of 18 USC 926(a)'. That's the line that says the federal government cannot make a central registry of gun owners.

The anti-rights people have to repeal that line, because Bobby's bill flat-out creates a central gun registry. Every gun owner must be registered to keep on possessing the guns they already own, and any transfer of any kind must be registered as well. The mark of the beast is upon us, to apply a metaphor.

See the bill for yourself (click "Bill Number" and enter "HR 45"): http://thomas.loc.gov

Read the gun-ban list the antis have already published: http://www.gunlaws.com/GunLawUpdate3.htm


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 111th; banglist; democrats; guncontrol; hr45; shotshow
Interesting take on the Shot Show and HR45.
1 posted on 01/23/2009 4:30:43 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

This is the line in the sand. These little tyrants can pass any grotesque piece of garbage they want. I will simply not comply. Anyone that does is a fool. In the words of the late great Charlton Heston, “From my cold dead hands!”


2 posted on 01/23/2009 4:52:28 AM PST by Desron13 (If you constantly vote between the lesser of two evils then evil is your ultimate destination.)
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To: marktwain

ping


3 posted on 01/23/2009 4:54:23 AM PST by MI
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To: Desron13

I’m with you.


4 posted on 01/23/2009 4:54:28 AM PST by SeminoleSoldier
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Hey, since owning a firearm is a constitutional right, according to the SCOTUS, maybe the ACLU and ACORN will fight this one for us, since they don't want you to have to show ID in order to vote in federal elections, which BTW, is NOT a constitutional right...

And somebody might want to inform ol Bobby that one of the prime reasons for gun control in the USA was to keep guns out of the hands of ... You guessed it, Black people!

I'll just be standing over here, holding my breath.

Mark

5 posted on 01/23/2009 4:56:44 AM PST by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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To: MarkL

I give you 0% on Acorn fighting on our side...

http://www.guncontrolkills.com/347/guncontrol/acorn-pushes-bulletcontrol-calls-it-stop-the-bullet-campaign/


6 posted on 01/23/2009 5:07:32 AM PST by xmission (www.iwilldefendtheconstitution.com)
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To: marktwain

Under HR 45, if you can’t pass a complex test written by the U.S. Attorney General (described in detail below), pay the tax, give up fingerprints and a biometric-capable photo of yourself (that can be turned into a digital facial-recognition number and used as a de facto national ID), every gun you own will become contraband and subject to confiscation, while you stand trial before imprisonment. You’d think Bobby, a former black panther, would know better.

Your rights will have an expiration date, and if you screw up and miss it, you’ll be in the same mess as people who can’t pass the test. Can you say “unconstitutional”? Do you think these “gun bigots” care?”

******

And this only took one day from Bobby Rush a former black panther! I can’t believe even many of the whacked out gun grabbing dims would support something like this, but I’ve been wrong before.

Man, it’s gonna be a very long 4 years.


7 posted on 01/23/2009 5:12:29 AM PST by bereanway (Sarah get your gun)
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To: marktwain

Gun owners are asleep at the wheel. 0 has lulled them into complacency. How many gun owners voted for him? Was ti 47% of those who cast votes. Saw that somewhere.


8 posted on 01/23/2009 5:14:45 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: Desron13
White line in the sand?

That is about the 493rd line, in case you missed it.

Just keep moving backward. The cliff is just behind you.

9 posted on 01/23/2009 5:21:44 AM PST by G.Mason (If you surrender your right to own a gun, you surrender your right to your life)
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To: marktwain

There are quite a few distressing bills floating around... check out HR40


10 posted on 01/23/2009 5:32:19 AM PST by Dubya-M-Dees (Gun clingin' God Fearin' pissed off redneck.)
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To: Dubya-M-Dees
There are quite a few distressing bills floating around... check out HR40

111th CONGRESS

1st Session

H. R. 40

To acknowledge the fundamental injustice, cruelty, brutality, and inhumanity of slavery in the United States and the 13 American colonies between 1619 and 1865 and to establish a commission to examine the institution of slavery, subsequently de jure and de facto racial and economic discrimination against African-Americans, and the impact of these forces on living African-Americans, to make recommendations to the Congress on appropriate remedies, and for other purposes.

IN THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES

January 6, 2009

Mr. CONYERS (for himself and Mr. SCOTT of Virginia) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on the Judiciary


Pathetic, but exactly what I've come to expect from one of the leading race-baiters in Washington.
11 posted on 01/23/2009 5:53:47 AM PST by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: marktwain

What a mishmash. Was the author of the article drunk, or typing with his lefthand while doing something else?


12 posted on 01/23/2009 5:54:59 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

It is an update on recent events. Not exactly an essay. Alan is one of the good guys.

Why don’t you drop him a line? I think he would carry your novels on his site. They fit very well.


13 posted on 01/23/2009 6:05:28 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

I just thought it drifted all over the place.


14 posted on 01/23/2009 6:07:26 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Desron13

I wont comply either. If they come for my gun I’m not going to die or get my family killed over it though. I’ll just give them my stupid gun or try to hide it. I’ll say, “Well, freedom was fun while it lasted.”


15 posted on 01/23/2009 6:10:47 AM PST by demshateGod (the GOP is dead to me)
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To: mad_as_he$$
Gun owners are asleep at the wheel. 0 has lulled them into complacency

Gun and ammos sales tell us just the opposite.

16 posted on 01/23/2009 6:12:36 AM PST by Eagle Eye (Libs- If you don't have to play the rules then neither do we...THINK ABOUT IT!)
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To: Travis McGee

It did. I won’t say that it was one of his best, but he is trying to get the word out. I have learned a lot from Alan (he is a close friend), and from you.

I will be sending a check for a few copies of Foreign Enemies and Traitors as soon as I make the time and priority.

I have a cousin who was being overwhelmed by liberal nonsense until my brother and I talked some sense into him. Part of what brought him back to reality and the fold was your novels.

Good work on your part. Thanks for all the effort, it is making a difference.


17 posted on 01/23/2009 6:14:12 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain
To be fair, I read the piece very quickly! I'm glad to hear about your cousin. My goal with the books is not to preach to the choir, but to sway the reachable 10% in the middle. That's why I use a female protagonist, for example. She demonstrates the empowerment that comes from being armed and well trained. I'd rather have women learn this, and take the first steps down the road to personal defense and freedom, than practically anything else.
18 posted on 01/23/2009 6:28:05 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain

MOLON LABE!!


19 posted on 01/23/2009 6:38:03 AM PST by PJammers (I can't help it... It's my idiom!)
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To: Travis McGee
Even the anti-freedom types know that if they lose a significant portion of single women to us on this issue, they lose.

I find that most women are receptive, once you can get past the media induced conditioning. Single women are often very receptive because they may not have a man to protect them.

When I was reading Enemies Foreign and Domestic, I often thought of my daughter, who is a real life approximation (she was on the pistol team in college).

20 posted on 01/23/2009 7:06:50 AM PST by marktwain
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To: Eagle Eye
No they tell us that instead of acting to stop 0 they are taking it underground. Most are doing not on principle but on price increase threats. How deo you explain the relatively high number of gun owners that voted for 0?
21 posted on 01/23/2009 7:13:54 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (Chevron 7 will not engage!)
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To: mad_as_he$$

I haven’t seen any data that gun owners (at least politically aware ones) voted in any significant number for O. Maybe you have.

But from my observations and the reports from gunshows nationally, gun owners are more alarmed now than with clinton or Y2K or on 911.


22 posted on 01/23/2009 7:27:04 AM PST by Eagle Eye (Libs- If you don't have to play the rules then neither do we...THINK ABOUT IT!)
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To: marktwain
"open only to the trade"

I don't know how or why, but in the early nineties I received in the mail a two day pass to the SHOT Show in New Orleans. I couldn't get off work to attend.

23 posted on 01/23/2009 7:39:33 AM PST by Deaf Smith
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To: Desron13

Personally, I am going to WRITE a personal letter to my congressman and senators. I will vow to fight for and fund any challenger to their re-election if they vote FOR any of these bills. Especially congressman Bobby Rush’s travesty.


24 posted on 01/23/2009 7:53:11 AM PST by The Working Man (Any work is better than "welfare"!)
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To: marktwain

Attaching amendments to the bill (if possible) adding similar requirements for voting and/or political speech.

If the government can tax one right, certainly they can tax others.

Certainly would focus government abuse.


25 posted on 01/23/2009 8:41:24 AM PST by School of Rational Thought (CPA, MBA needs a job - referrals welcome)
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To: marktwain
The "handgun bayonet" sounds kinda stupid, but Tromix makes a nice muzzle brake for rifles (the "Shark Break") that also doubles as a circular bayonet:

It's not as lethal as a real bayonet, but you probably would not want to be jabbed with it.

26 posted on 01/23/2009 8:51:19 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (We used to institutionalize the insane. Now we elect them.)
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To: demshateGod

Comments such as that heap it on the rest of us. When the time comes, then do you expect us to waste our ammo to save your hiney?

I urge you to strap on some balls and reconsider those comments. If the flag drops, we dont need to be having to babysit sympathizers.


27 posted on 01/23/2009 8:59:56 AM PST by Concho (01-20-2009--The beginning of an ERROR)
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To: PapaBear3625

That’d be real handy for up close and personal. Give em a Hollyweird makeover, lips, nose and eyes in one fell swoop. Looks like a standoff for blasting locks.....


28 posted on 01/23/2009 9:02:41 AM PST by Concho (01-20-2009--The beginning of an ERROR)
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To: marktwain

Somewhere along the way, most men get to do a little shooting. So when they are really introduced to firearms, they tend to play it down as no big deal.

But women, oh it’s great to see them shoot for the first time, when that big light bulb goes off! Not only is the gun not some scary cannon that knocks you backwards, but when you have it, you are the equal or better of any 200# bruiser!


29 posted on 01/23/2009 9:34:20 AM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: marktwain

This looks like it is right from Canadian law, we have to deal with the same crap in Canada


30 posted on 01/23/2009 9:51:09 AM PST by MD_Willington_1976
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To: Tatze
No matter what color their skin, angry racists with a chip on their shoulder, a grudge in the heart and political power at their disposal are a very dangerous bunch of humans and are capable of anything. Conyers is one such racist.
31 posted on 01/23/2009 9:57:01 AM PST by GBA
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To: Travis McGee

“But women, oh it’s great to see them shoot for the first time, when that big light bulb goes off!”


I have seen it many times. I love to give them a .22 woodsman with a 6” barrel and a great trigger, coach them carefully, then have them shoot at a big target up close.

I have often seen 70 year old women, who have never shot before, put five shots into a two inch group at 15 feet, give a *big* smile and say, “I like this gun!”


32 posted on 01/23/2009 2:16:30 PM PST by marktwain
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To: Desron13

“This is the line in the sand.”

Yeah, it looks like it. Besides being highly unconstitutional, and certainly tyrannical, it will also likely be the catalyst for a real revolution. In 1775 only 30% of the colonists supported the revolution against Great Britain; 30% of the people were loyalists; the remaining 40% were either fence-straddlers or only wanted to be left alone, and took no side.

Our odds this time around will be nowhere near as favorable to us. I see maybe 20% tops standing up for freedom, with at least 55% standing firmly in lockstep with tyranny; the remaining 25% will be apathetic and won’t care one way or another. The Odumbo administration will have neighbor turn in neighbor, and there will be community security forces (separate and distinct from local law enforcement) patrolling the streets to make sure everyone stays in line. We will be reliving the Germany of the mid 1930s, and it will only go downhill from there, as there is no viable opposition party.

God help us, because that is exactly where we are headed.


33 posted on 01/23/2009 2:42:25 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: bereanway

“Man, it’s gonna be a very long 4 years.”

I’m afraid the SHTF scenario will happen within four years. God help us.


34 posted on 01/23/2009 2:46:38 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: Concho

“If the flag drops, we dont need to be having to babysit sympathizers.”

That’s a fact.


35 posted on 01/23/2009 3:03:50 PM PST by ought-six ( Multiculturalism is national suicide, and political correctness is the cyanide capsule.)
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To: marktwain

bttt


36 posted on 01/23/2009 3:35:21 PM PST by SuperLuminal
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To: marktwain
Your post helped form an idea,had to check it out first.If you go to dogpile and enter gun shows as a keyword, you`ll get listings of shows planned for the whole country.Can you post a listing of ALL the present anti-second amendment bills pending before this bunch of buffoons?Maybe we can form up adhoc groups that can print up lists of the bills with their senate/house numbers and the local or pertinent congressional contact information such as email,snail mail,and phone numbers.Then we can go to these shows and pass out these home made hand bills to all who`ll listen and ask then to help contact these people and get them to stop them,maybe enlist these people to recruit their own friends and family to help out?

I think this may be a way for us to help organize at a grassroots level,maybe establish links to others who`ll share similar conservative ideology on other points,and even get more freepers to sign up too.As an added bonus,it may help get many of us out of this fugue that seems to have settled over many conservatives.We need to start forming aliances and organizing at a grassroots level to fight back and this seems like a good a place to start,can`t find too many liberals at a gun show!What do you think?Any suggestions?

37 posted on 01/23/2009 5:14:32 PM PST by nomad
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To: marktwain

Yep, and then it’s off to the races. Centerfires follow quickly.


38 posted on 01/23/2009 6:37:33 PM PST by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: demshateGod

“I wont comply either. If they come for my gun I’m not going to die or get my family killed over it though. I’ll just give them my stupid gun or try to hide it. I’ll say, “Well, freedom was fun while it lasted.”

Well, that’s all well and good.
BUT,

What you don’t seem to understand is that under the new rules, they won’t be coming to collect your guns.
They will be coming to arrest you and your wife and take your children.

It will be your responsibillity to turn your guns in on your own or you will be a marked felon as well as your wife.

Heaven forbid that you sold something and no longer have the transfer paperwork and or receipt.

Also what’s not adressed in this article is that there are no timeframes listed ie; license applications (Applying and approval), turn in, and also what happens to the guns while you are waiting for you applications to be approved or denied.
IMHO this is by design, not accident.

Straight out of the Nazi playbook.
No that is not a joke, I am being serious.
Do a little research on the way the Nazi’s enacted their gun confication program and the fact that the laws were backed by an “Under penalty of death” clause.


39 posted on 01/23/2009 7:11:30 PM PST by Delmarksman (Pro 2A Anglican American (Ford and Chevy kill more people than guns do, lets ban them))
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To: nomad
I think it is an excellent idea. We used gun shows in 1994, we had rallies, the troops were energized and we won big with the Republican revolution of 1994. We just have to remember that our real enemy is the liberal media who will lie like no tomorrow to get their agenda across. Part of our message has to be that you cannot trust ABC/NBC/CBS/NYT/WaPo.
40 posted on 01/23/2009 7:32:56 PM PST by marktwain
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To: PapaBear3625
Good god man,I`ve seen bits on jack hammers that look like that!Just don`t plug the barrel up with flesh and bone,would that blow the gun up?
41 posted on 01/24/2009 12:47:28 PM PST by nomad
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To: marktwain

Where can I get a current listing of whats pending?And will any other freepers pitch in?Also,can anyone suggest a way to print out the freerepublic logo with web address in a small part of the corner of a standard sheet of paper?Do we need Jim Robinson`s permission to do that?I`ve been an advocate for networking this site with others,that’s one thing the Barky-ites do well that we MUST copy if we`re to be effective.Any suggestions are welcome,people lets roll here,the clocks ticking,times wasting!


42 posted on 01/24/2009 1:03:05 PM PST by nomad
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To: marktwain
Yes, He was a former member and founder of the Illinois chapter of the Black Panther Party.

Imagine that?

43 posted on 01/24/2009 9:31:36 PM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: nomad
Just don`t plug the barrel up with flesh and bone,would that blow the gun up?

The muzzle brake outlets would allow gas to be expelled if the front got blocked. I think the bullet would force out any plug. In any event, I think it's for use when your rifle is either out of ammo or you are otherwise unable to fire.

44 posted on 01/25/2009 8:16:15 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (We used to institutionalize the insane. Now we elect them.)
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