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To: CottShop; Troll_House_Cookies
mmm- Yes, the ‘basics’, like how Negros were inferior, how slavery was the right thing to do, how women were second class citizens underserving of a vote

Right. Teaching high-school kids all that so-called "basic" grammar, math, old-white-man-literature, chemistry, biology, and physics is just like teaching them that slavery is good and women are inferior. Everything from the past was invented by bad white men, after all, and we need to let our kids start fresh with clean, unencumbered minds.

The point of letting children question science is to equip them be be analytical in their thinking and not just blindly accept the “science” or “fact” coming out of an “expert.”

Oh, I agree. But why stop with the theory of evolution? I think we should apply this new-found freedom across the board. We should definitely let the children question the periodic table, the principles of velocity and acceleration, the confining oppressiveness of algebraic equations and english grammar, and all those so-called "facts" coming out of so-called "experts." Indeed, I think we should let the children answer test questions in whatever way they "feel" is right, and in the name of "self-esteem," let them know that there are no "wrong" answers. Let freedom reign.

30 posted on 01/23/2009 11:13:26 AM PST by atlaw
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To: atlaw

Nobody is making a self-esteem learning argument here, they’re just pointing out that scientists aren’t as smart as they think they are when it comes to understanding our world...and as such, they should understand that their “facts” will be routinely overturned and modified ad infinitum after they publish. 1000 years in the future,the concept of evolution may have been found to be a bigger joke than a flat Earth. The answer may be closer to some science branch that hasn’t even been researched yet. Any claim above ignorance as to an “final picture” of natural processes is just silly and narcissistic. See flat earth, see ether in the atmosphere, see racial disposition science, etc. Nothing wrong with these kids learning that its called the “theory” of evolution and that there exist skeptics who have criticising opinions.


31 posted on 01/23/2009 11:23:23 AM PST by Troll_House_Cookies (Ironically, Chancellor Obama's first re-education camp will be in Alaska.)
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To: atlaw
Oh, I agree. But why stop with the theory of evolution? I think we should apply this new-found freedom across the board. We should definitely let the children question the periodic table, the principles of velocity and acceleration, the confining oppressiveness of algebraic equations and english grammar, and all those so-called "facts" coming out of so-called "experts." Indeed, I think we should let the children answer test questions in whatever way they "feel" is right, and in the name of "self-esteem," let them know that there are no "wrong" answers. Let freedom reign.

Excepting grammar, all of the above can be demonstrated via direct observation, usually in a science lab of less than an hour, or through infallible mathematical proofs. Modifcation by descent into completely new Genus' cannot, be definition, because of the time frames reqwired. It has NEVER been observed, but is arrived at by conjecture and extrapolation from variation within a genus (or Biblical kind, more accurately), or speciation. Thus, it requires you take the word of the "expert".

36 posted on 01/23/2009 11:41:34 AM PST by jimmyray
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To: atlaw
I think we should apply this new-found freedom across the board. We should definitely let the children question the periodic table Simply: *Only if one is free to question the periodic table can one discover a new element to add to the table. Or are you trying to say all the elements were there from the start? I'm done with this thread.
41 posted on 01/23/2009 12:03:31 PM PST by Troll_House_Cookies (Ironically, Chancellor Obama's first re-education camp will be in Alaska.)
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To: atlaw

mmm yes- that’s exactly what we are advocating- having hte children quesiton established laws- Yup- you pegged us- our secret is out- We’re anti-educaiton- Darn it- and I htought out secret was safe- but you cracked our secret code- what we REALLY mean when ask that students be taught the TRUTH about Macroevolution, and to discover the impossibilities and high imporbabilities, and to discover how macroevolution violates many key established laws of biology, mathematical statistics, natural laws, and chemistry, is that we mean we really want htem to deny all the other established laws in other fields of science too- Golly- Guess we weren’t as trickily sneaky as we thought!


46 posted on 01/23/2009 12:46:56 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: atlaw

Comparing the certainty of the truth of mathematics and grammar as taught in schools to the theory of evolution is absurd, even if you believe in evolution. You sound like a global warming alarmist now.


47 posted on 01/23/2009 12:48:21 PM PST by Texas Federalist
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To: atlaw; GodGunsGuts; metmom

“let them know there are no wrong answers”...

IOW when it comes to the cult of evolution...there simply can not BE any OTHER answers...

I see.

Anytime the cult is challenged, the challenge is attacked as a religious insult to science.

Yep, I’m sure the kids will come to respect the cult....errr...theory of evolution with that cozy little caveat.

And if they don’t fall in line, you can always enforce science via the courts.

NO WONDER public NEA godless liberal run schools are such unmitigated DISASTERS!


49 posted on 01/23/2009 2:49:46 PM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: atlaw; CottShop; Troll_House_Cookies

Except that the ToE is a theory supported with forensic and circumstantial evidence. It’s not at all in the same league as the really hard sciences like chemistry and physics, where things like acceleration, velocity, the chemical properties of the elements can be tested using the scientific method.

The ToE is not a fact.


66 posted on 01/23/2009 4:37:46 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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