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Limbaugh Responds to Obama
National Review ^ | 1/24/09 | Byron York

Posted on 01/24/2009 1:06:04 PM PST by JRochelle

According to an account in the New York Post, President Barack Obama yesterday told Republican leaders, "You can't just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done." With George W. Bush now off the stage, it may be that Obama and some of his fellow Democrats view Limbaugh, and not John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, or any other elected official, as the true leader of the Republican opposition. This morning I asked Rush for his thoughts on all this, and here is his response:

There are two things going on here. One prong of the Great Unifier's plan is to isolate elected Republicans from their voters and supporters by making the argument about me and not about his plan. He is hoping that these Republicans will also publicly denounce me and thus marginalize me. And who knows? Are ideological and philosophical ties enough to keep the GOP loyal to their voters? Meanwhile, the effort to foist all blame for this mess on the private sector continues unabated when most of the blame for this current debacle can be laid at the feet of the Congress and a couple of former presidents. And there is a strategic reason for this.

Secondly, here is a combo quote from the meeting:

"If we don't get this done we (the Democrats) could lose seats and I could lose re-election. But we can't let people like Rush Limbaugh stall this. That's how things don't get done in this town."

To make the argument about me instead of his plan makes sense from his perspective. Obama's plan would buy votes for the Democrat Party, in the same way FDR's New Deal established majority power for 50 years of Democrat rule, and it would also simultaneously seriously damage any hope of future tax cuts. It would allow a majority of American voters to guarantee no taxes for themselves going forward. It would burden the private sector and put the public sector in permanent and firm control of the economy. Put simply, I believe his stimulus is aimed at re-establishing "eternal" power for the Democrat Party rather than stimulating the economy because anyone with a brain knows this is NOT how you stimulate the economy. If I can be made to serve as a distraction, then there is that much less time debating the merits of this TRILLION dollar debacle.

Obama was angry that Merrill Lynch used $1.2 million of TARP money to remodel an executive suite. Excuse me, but didn't Merrill have to hire a decorator and contractor? Didn't they have to buy the new furnishings? What's the difference in that and Merrill loaning that money to a decorator, contractor and goods supplier to remodel Warren Buffet's office? Either way, stimulus in the private sector occurs. Are we really at the point where the bad PR of Merrill getting a redecorated office in the process is reason to smear them? How much money will the Obamas spend redecorating the White House residence? Whose money will be spent? I have no problem with the Obamas redoing the place. It is tradition. 600 private jets flown by rich Democrats flew into the Inauguration. That's fine but the auto execs using theirs is a crime? In both instances, the people on those jets arrived in Washington wanting something from Washington, not just good will.

If I can be made to serve as a distraction, then there is that much less time debating the merits of the trillion dollar debacle.

One more thing, Byron. Your publication and website have documented Obama's ties to the teachings of Saul Alinksy while he was community organizing in Chicago. Here is Rule 13 of Alinksy's Rules for Radicals:

"Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."


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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

BIPARTISANSHIP???????

The Obama Nazi said “I WON”.... and “I WILL TURMP YOU ON THAT” Thats some really positive bi-partisanship on his part when he responds to Republicans asking to curb the price tag on this massive social welfare package.


101 posted on 01/24/2009 2:28:23 PM PST by tomnbeverly (Obama is as fake as the music that was playing was on noon January 20th 2009.)
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To: Texas Eagle

And .. if the GOP buys this load of C _ _ P - then the election in 2010 will be a blood bath.

That will give the dems 40-50 years of domination .. and America will be Russia redux by then.

Oh well .. I didn’t want to retire anyway.


102 posted on 01/24/2009 2:29:29 PM PST by CyberAnt (Michael Yon: "The U.S. military is the most respected institution in Iraq.")
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To: re_tail20

I do too. So as Jim Robinson says “Let’s get er done”.


103 posted on 01/24/2009 2:30:46 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
I don’t think Obama actually said that. I believe that was Rush paraphrasing/summarizing Obama’s remarks.

According to reports given to Major Garrett, Obama Says His View on Taxes Prevailed Because 'I Won' , yes, he did. From his article:

............"Obama explained that lawmakers were closer together than the public realized on the stimulus package but warned of pitfalls if Congress and the White House don't work together. Again, according to participants in the meeting, Obama said this about rising above typical partisan differences: "We're all political animals, we've all got political bases," the president is reported to have said. "If we don't get this done we (the Democrats) could lose seats and I could lose re-election. But we can't let people like Rush Limbaugh stall this. That's how things don't get done in this town."".............
104 posted on 01/24/2009 2:33:47 PM PST by Girlene
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To: verklaring

BTTT


105 posted on 01/24/2009 2:33:54 PM PST by LucyJo
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To: MHGinTN

This flap is NOTHING like the drug fiasco. This can only help Rush. How on earth could Obama calling out Rush “damage” him? If anything, this elevates his stature and boosts his ratings big time.


106 posted on 01/24/2009 2:34:22 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: chuck_the_tv_out
You can't just watch Chris Matthews and get things done.

That's why I don't watch Kristy Matthews.

107 posted on 01/24/2009 2:35:17 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (This election gave the drunks the keys to the liquor cabinet!)
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To: MHGinTN

Yep, if these people have only heard one side for years since they were kept on the plantation by the dimwits; what do you think they would believe?


108 posted on 01/24/2009 2:36:56 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

OBAMAO!

109 posted on 01/24/2009 2:36:56 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (This election gave the drunks the keys to the liquor cabinet!)
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To: Girlene

The disconnect between the Washington/Beltway elites and mainstreet has never been bigger.


110 posted on 01/24/2009 2:37:33 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: AGreatPer

“The fact that Zero even brought up Rush’s name shows how stupid he is.”

Yes, you have a good point, he’s equivalenced himself to Rush in the power struggle - bad idea. This is going to be more fun that expected.....


111 posted on 01/24/2009 2:40:21 PM PST by RFEngineer
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To: tndarlin
(tndarlin to oldbill)I understand your point, but I also understand Rush's. He is using the absurd to illustrate absurdity.

Exactly. Plus there IS no difference whether Merrill Lynch uses the money or loans it out for others to use the money (like as Rush said, redecorating Warren Buffet's office). In fact, banks/holding companies are holding on to the bailout money and it's not 'stimulating' anything. So Merrill's renovations actually _did_ get money to the 'little people' who did the work.

And yes, it's the wrong way to do it, but there's nothing wrong with Rush's 'logic' there.

112 posted on 01/24/2009 2:40:31 PM PST by Kent C
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To: Maringa

They may try to harass Rush in other ways, but I doubt they’d physically harm him. 40 million of us would go off like spider monkeys jacked up on a gallon of pi$$ed-off and Mt. Dew.


113 posted on 01/24/2009 2:40:52 PM PST by NurseZac
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To: livius

I think when a President of the U.S. starts telling people not to listen to his critics it is a huge jump toward totalitarianism.


114 posted on 01/24/2009 2:42:01 PM PST by tomnbeverly (Obama is as fake as the music that was playing was on noon January 20th 2009.)
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To: JRochelle

So our latest POTUS with the highest IQ ever takes on Rush Limbaugh and the Catholic Church within 4 days of his swearing-in?


115 posted on 01/24/2009 2:42:01 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: Recovering_Democrat
He has Hussein pegged so well, it is scary.

And that's why Obama feels he has to go after him. Rush is one of the few people on the Right who actually understands what Obama is all about, unlike "Maverick" McCain.
116 posted on 01/24/2009 2:44:00 PM PST by rightwingintelligentsia (1-20-13)
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; justiceseeker93; ..

Obama gets his opening grade (Gallup poll)
politico.com | January 24, 2009 | MIKE ALLEN
Posted on 01/24/2009 12:08:20 PM PST by Free ThinkerNY
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2171007/posts


117 posted on 01/24/2009 2:48:21 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: Recovering_Democrat

Rush is great, but how do we get middle America to listen to him? How do we get the college kids and those from 25 to 35 to listen to him? How do we get kids who are no longer taught how to think for themselves to question everything they hear and to search for the truth?


118 posted on 01/24/2009 2:48:29 PM PST by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: greyfoxx39

There is probably action already afoot; however, we need to each start in our own towns and get started now on grass roots levels to elect conservative Congress critters/senators and get the RINOs out. I joined a local group, but it seems there are so many little splinter groups and we need a massive link-up.

If anyone has insight and information, please freep mail me and/or put me on any lists you think may help? Thanks!


119 posted on 01/24/2009 2:50:07 PM PST by NurseZac
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To: MHGinTN
"Yes, Rush knows because he is much smarter than Obama. BUT, does Rush know how to negate the ‘freezing’ and polarizing happening to readers at FR as we write these posts? I don’t thnk so, but we shall see in the coming weeks."

So, should we criticize Rush for not being able to accomplish that alone, or should we join Rush in pointing out what Obama is attempting, and how he is attempting to do it?

120 posted on 01/24/2009 2:50:31 PM PST by LucyJo
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To: JRochelle

Right on, right on! (said in best Rush voice)


121 posted on 01/24/2009 2:52:22 PM PST by indubitably
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To: EDINVA

And the MSM remains silent... They don’t know how Obama wants them to respond just yet. The only people reporting the Rush comments were DRUDGE and the NY POST. Everyone else is reporting the same story just not the Rush Limbaugh quotes...

Wonder why????


122 posted on 01/24/2009 2:52:53 PM PST by tomnbeverly (Obama is as fake as the music that was playing was on noon January 20th 2009.)
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To: Girlene
The actual quote/context from Obama is:

As the president, he had told Kyl after the Arizonan raised objections to the notion of a tax credit for people who don't pay income taxes, Obama told Cantor this morning that "on some of these issues we're just going to have ideological differences."

The president added, "I won. So I think on that one, I trump you."

'I Won:' President Obama Works to Be Bipartisan But Shows There Are Clear Limits

123 posted on 01/24/2009 2:53:21 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: fish hawk
Love them both.

Ann on Rush's program recently was pure delight. I am hoping they team up in some fashion, as a regular segment or new programming. They really click well together, good points and good humor.

124 posted on 01/24/2009 2:54:06 PM PST by D-fendr (Deus non alligatur sacramentis sed nos alligamur.)
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To: All

It had to be said, but nonetheless, this reponse probably brings us one step closer to the Fairness Doctrine.


125 posted on 01/24/2009 2:55:39 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: JRochelle

bump for later..........


126 posted on 01/24/2009 2:55:52 PM PST by indthkr
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To: gaijin

Rush’s words begin with “there are two things going on here.”


127 posted on 01/24/2009 2:56:31 PM PST by RPTMS
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To: JRochelle

Obama is setting a new precedent for the office of POTUS... Silence your critics, attempt to diminish them and use the bully pulpit to make it appear they are the divisive ones and you are just trying to get things done....

Very scary article here....

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/10/obama_to_critics_just_shut_up.html


128 posted on 01/24/2009 2:59:35 PM PST by tomnbeverly (Obama is as fake as the music that was playing was on noon January 20th 2009.)
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To: Doe Eyes

According to Major Garrett and the people who were in that meeting, Obama said both what you posted and what I posted.


129 posted on 01/24/2009 3:00:55 PM PST by Girlene
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To: oldbill

Rush’s point is that Obama’s pork barrel plan is no different than what happened at Merrill. It is the same thing. Taxpayer money was used to pay for a project that would employ construction workers. Jobs created with taxpayer money. There is no difference. He makes an astute point.


130 posted on 01/24/2009 3:02:15 PM PST by Jack Bull
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To: JennysCool

I have a friend, (college educated 50+ year old white woman), who “voted for Obama because he is black. I have always loved black people and it’s time they had a chance.” Honest to goodness that is word for word what she said to me! When I asked, “are you kidding?” Her reply was “well it was my vote and if I made a mistake it won’t be the 1st time nor the last.”.

Another one of our friends told her she was not only stupid, but she was an idiot. Needless to say she is pretty defensive about that vote for Obama now. All that said this woman has always been pro-life and for strong marriage and national defense.

PS. She also said she hated McCain because he was arrogant and had had an affair. I look at her and have to wonder what was in the water in GA this past election cycle.


131 posted on 01/24/2009 3:03:30 PM PST by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.)
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To: ponygirl

See my 131. It is an honest to goodness recounting of a discussion I had with a friend who voted for Obama.


132 posted on 01/24/2009 3:08:13 PM PST by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.)
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To: NurseZac

check out www.reaganclub.us

I joined in Orange County Fl, but they are nationwide.


133 posted on 01/24/2009 3:10:42 PM PST by spacejunkie01
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To: MHGinTN

“Rhambo would see to it that another ‘incident’ took out Limbaugh’s creds.”

How long do you think it will be before Obammy has Rush’s divorce records unsealed/opened.


134 posted on 01/24/2009 3:11:21 PM PST by indubitably
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To: NurseZac

“They may try to harass Rush in other ways, but I doubt they’d physically harm him. 40 million of us would go off like spider monkeys jacked up on a gallon of pi$$ed-off and Mt. Dew”

Ha, I love that! I’m sure the Maja Rushie has got the angles figured out. I think Obama better back off if he’s at all smart.


135 posted on 01/24/2009 3:14:37 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism, it's the new black.)
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To: Miss Didi

Great Pic


136 posted on 01/24/2009 3:21:02 PM PST by cmsgop ( " C'mon, Stand Up Chuck")
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To: JRochelle

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/barackobama/4331839/Barack-Obama-picks-a-fight-with-Rush-Limbaugh-as-bipartisan-spirit-crumbles.html


137 posted on 01/24/2009 3:22:21 PM PST by tomnbeverly (Obama is as fake as the music that was playing was on noon January 20th 2009.)
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To: huldah1776

It has to start in our own homes with our own children. My children are college educated 20somethings, both listen to Rush, are posters here on FR and vote Conservative.


138 posted on 01/24/2009 3:23:32 PM PST by kalee (01/20/13 The end of an error.)
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To: All; ponygirl

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NEVER FORGET

.

Enter Communism =

“JOURNEY from the FALL”

http://www.JourneyFromTheFall.com

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806248/posts

http://www.Freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1308949/posts

.

NEVER FORGET

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139 posted on 01/24/2009 3:26:58 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE ("ALOHA RONNIE" Guyer/Veteran-"WE WERE SOLDIERS" Battle of IA DRANG-1965 http://www.lzxray.com11)
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To: Rennes Templar

Re-election? I hope the latest inquiry about O’s natural born citizenship comes into play. Rush would be the dagger in O’s heart. Can’t even think how the MSM could spin that.


140 posted on 01/24/2009 3:27:18 PM PST by freebird5850 (O-Bomb-a, the sleeper cell that slipped by all of us.)
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To: indubitably

Those are probably on Rhambo’s desk already. Look, this is a criminal enterprise at work. They are waging war to retain the ultimate power on this planet ... in their estimation. NOTHING is too sleazy or too deadly in thier lust for control. They have proven this witht heir empowering themselves via the abortion holocaust! And this Marxist squirrel went even further, to protect infanticide in Illinois. Godless doesn’t even begin to color this mob, this gaggle of ghouls.


141 posted on 01/24/2009 3:28:54 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: indubitably

Wouldn’t be the first time.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jack_Ryan_(politician)


142 posted on 01/24/2009 3:29:18 PM PST by benjibrowder (Looking forward to kicking Obama out of office in 2012.)
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To: NurseZac
"There is probably action already afoot;"

You're right about that, it goes on all the time, has yearly since the beginning of this nation... but the 'action' is nothing like people here think. Joining political clubs helps, but the 'club' that has to be 'joined' isn't a club - it is the elective office at the bottom of the political ladder. In some states it is called the 'central committee' - other states distict politcal parties sparated into what are refered to as 'wards' (mostly in the eastern states.) But, these district level elected vote at the county level, and often go to state party functions and conventions, and vote there, often in exactly the wrong ways (from a conservative standpoint.)

You are most right about. '... we need to each start in our own towns and get started now on grass roots levels to elect conservative[s]'

But you'll have little effect in electing 'Congress critters/senators and get[ting] the RINOs out' - what you CAN effect is who becomes part of the elected GOP party members at the local district level - and by extension, at the state level. If you and other conservatives in your town pay attention to who gains these offices (most all are unpaid, by law) then you will do what needs done the most - and that is, keeping RINO's and inept people away from the ability to vote on state and local issues in your state - and rising within the party to the point that they have clout at the national party level.

Remember this - people think that because they are a 'registered Republican,' they are a member of the GOP. They are not. They are voters affiliated with the party, but they can NOT vote on party policy, they cannot attend state and national conventions, and vote there. They can not even vote at the county, or at district level...

Most of all, rememer this. Votes take place every month, at local, county and state levels. If the people (DUES paying, elected, or appointed members of the party) casting these votes are not conservatives, and a majority are liberals, then you do not have conservative principaled leadership in where you can most effect the course of your party - that is, in your own 'back yard.'

I'd highly advise that you call a Republican Party office in your state, find out from them the phone number of any local office in your town that might exist, or the nearest office to you. Call them, get their address and drive there - find out who the elected state party people are in your district, get their phone numbers, go see them. Find out where they meet, and go to their meetings - they will be very happy (usually) to have you. They may even 'appoint' or 'elect' you to join them (you'll have to pay state dues, usually 20-30 per year.) Now you can VOTE! Not only at the local meeting, but at the county level... you can also become a 'delegate' to state conventions, where much voting goes on. You'll soon see how conservative (or not) these people are - you'll learn who the good guys are, and who the bad ones are... and learn how to appose the bad ones.

It's a long, thankless - and somewhat expensive - but highly productive endeavor. I could go on for hours, and many pages. BUT... 'activists' who are not engaged here, are NOT doing much good otherwise. Small clubs can prepare you for this - if they're worth anything at all. Other clubs are about stoking the ego of the club leadership - and do little to nothing other than that.

Last point - you can effect the direction of the party yourself, when you do this - through your votes. All else is smoke an mirrors. Get yourself into the position of being able to vote on a monthly basis - on party direction. If you aren't doing that, you're not where you need to be.

Drop me freepmail if you have more questions. 8^)

143 posted on 01/24/2009 3:36:39 PM PST by Ron C.
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To: MHGinTN
Marvin, is that you?

Forgive me, but I'm having trouble understanding your post.

Unless Rush gets a handle on his own egomania, Obama will play him like a fiddle keeping the nation divided with half blind to the Marxist agenda as Marxist.

Is Obama's marxist agenda tied to what you called Rush's egomania? Let's assume for the sake of argument that Rush has a big ego (not as big as Obama's ego, mind you).  How does Rush's ego keep the nation divided?

The majority of people who voteed for the affirmative action poseur were not voting based upon known characteristics of Obama. The media made sure of that. The media isn't goign to educate the maalleable masses at this stage when their media goal of socialist paradise is in sight!

Exactly! And Rush is educating people, along with other radio hosts and conservative media personalities.  They are the ones exposing Obama's agenda, and Obama needs to silence dissent and his critics. Let's make one thing clear:  Rush doesn't speak for the GOP, Rush speaks for conservatism and conservative ideals.

Obama will steer the public deabte int he direction of complicated explanations knowing Rush loves the complicated scene but has little experience in actually awakening in the dumbed down a sense of right and wrong ... the dumbed down masses just take or leave a guy like Rush based on how they feel and react to his seemingly over the top ego.

Don't fall for Obama's tactics. This isn't about one man. Obama's agenda isn't complicated. Anyone who knows about socialism and communism can see what he's doing.  It was Rush who exposed Obama for the socialist that he is. It is Rush who can point out the difference between right and wrong quite easily when it comes to Obama and the rest of the Democrats' tactics, and his ego has nothing to do with it.

Note also that Obama is making the same mistake that Clinton made when he feuded with Rush in the early-mid 1990s.  He is the leader of the free world and he is feuding with a radio host.  That in itself elevates Rush and diminishes Obama.  It's very foolish on his part.  He evidently didn't learn from Clinton's experience.

That's how Obama will exploit Rush as a gag man to divert fromt he reality of our Republic's demise.

He will try for sure, but like I said, this isn't about Rush per se, this is about destroying the first amendment.  This is about silencing critics and political opponents. This is about incrementalism. You start with one person, demonize him/her, and then destroy them using any legal means at your disposal --an old Stalinist tactic.

Obama is starting with Rush because he is the biggest voice in conservatism. He will try to destroy him first, but his purpose is to destroy all those who oppose him and that includes the rest of conservative talk radio, as well as  newsmen and the blogosphere. This includes Free Republic and any other conservative websites out there. This is the beginning of the end of freedom of expression.

There is a way to fight it, though. We unite and grow bigger by intelligent dissents and constructive criticism. We don't allow fear to silence us. We keep on going. We resist!

144 posted on 01/24/2009 3:36:56 PM PST by Victoria Delsoul
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To: JRochelle

I hope Rush is watching his six.


145 posted on 01/24/2009 3:37:01 PM PST by jesseam (Been there and done that!)
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To: Texas Eagle

The Great Unifier’s base overwhelmingly opposes a good portion of his agenda. They proved this in California by voting against gay marriage. What conservatives need to do is to run in Democrat primaries as conservative democrats. Forget Republican and Democrat labels and run in whichever party on the True Ideals of the US Declaration of Independence and US Constitution.


146 posted on 01/24/2009 3:39:16 PM PST by petitfour
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To: EDINVA
So our latest POTUS with the highest IQ ever takes on Rush Limbaugh and the Catholic Church within 4 days of his swearing-in?

Don't forget his cabinet/closest ally negative reference to the exclusion of "highly skilled white construction workers." At the rate things are going, the inauguration crowd will be replaced by an ever-increasing number of unemployed American citizens. If he grants amnesty to millions of illegals, the economy and feelings toward him will get real interesting real fast, especially by those who voted for him and put him on a pedastal.

Most assuredly conservative talk show hosts (all of them) will have increased listener and viewer numbers, given the dictates already outlined. Mandated fairness doctrine cannot be far away. The complaints people had about Bush are going to appear irrelevant in comparison to both liberals and conservatives (its already begun).

147 posted on 01/24/2009 3:45:17 PM PST by MamaDearest
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To: Southack
"The GOP has to present a *popular* alternative"

Bah! When freedom isn't popular it's the population that needs adjusting.


148 posted on 01/24/2009 3:46:57 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: Southack
"The GOP has to present a *popular* alternative."

It isn't going to work, so the republicans can safely go on record opposing it, fiercely so. Even if they came up with what would be a popular alternative, the media wouldn't report on it, and few people would know of it anyway.

The fact is that spending money we don't have isn't going to help our economy. Especially with what they are looking to spend on. If spending money helped the economy, the economy would be booming as we speak...

149 posted on 01/24/2009 3:50:40 PM PST by KoRn
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To: MHGinTN

No, I don’t remember that Rush was abandoned during that period of time. I remember that Rush was overwhelmed by the support he received from listeners, to the point that he genuinely realized for the first time exactly what he means to the vast majority of conservatives, and how important we believe he is to conservatism. He was humbled by the fact that so few did “abandon him” despite the tremendous efforts by some to use his fault against him. Not only was Rush overwhelmed with messages of support, his sponsors were deluged with messages of support as well.

That said, I know there were some who “abandoned” Rush and considered him too flawed to represent their idea of what conservatism should mean. The same thing happened to other effective conservatives by their political colleagues, et al, which has drastically limited our overall effectiveness.

We are well past the stage where we can afford to allow something said or done, by shameless leftists, about any conservative to shame them into abandoning the fight, or us into abandoning them. I worry less about that type of vulnerability than a number of others that are much more serious.


150 posted on 01/24/2009 3:54:17 PM PST by LucyJo
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