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Planning the 2012 Comeback...take the nation back
National Review Online ^ | 1-24-09 | Byron York

Posted on 01/24/2009 2:39:29 PM PST by CincyRichieRich

Limbaugh Responds to Obama [Byron York]

According to an account in the New York Post, President Barack Obama yesterday told Republican leaders, "You can't just listen to Rush Limbaugh and get things done." With George W. Bush now off the stage, it may be that Obama and some of his fellow Democrats view Limbaugh, and not John Boehner, Mitch McConnell, or any other elected official, as the true leader of the Republican opposition. This morning I asked Rush for his thoughts...

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
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Well, Rush has hit the nail on the head...Obama is so organized, definitely a true puppet and figurehead by those "handlers"...my question is who can lead or better said, orchestrate and organize like Obama's "team" did to get a sane, conservative group together to retake the House, Senate and Executive branches in 2012 (if not partly in 2010)? E.g., folks like Ralph Reed had savviness a few years back, but today, you need both tech-savviness, political savviness, marketing expertise, and a heck of a lot of $$$ to start with. Is there any such "leader" on FR that can throw some cash towards such an effort? Who are the tech-savvy real conservatives who are serious about this? Is Reed still out there? Can Newt at least organize in some way? Would Dick Morris be part of such an effort? Can such a meeting of minds be organized?

We talk a lot on FR...we postulate, we propose...our current House and Senate leaders are fakes and cannot be used in such an effort...perhaps a couple or three are real...the others are just part of their fiefdoms. Am I nuts or can anyone translate my logic and explain the current landscape better than I?

Please don't reply with sarcasm or unhelpful comments...let's have an intelligent conversation.

1 posted on 01/24/2009 2:39:34 PM PST by CincyRichieRich
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To: CincyRichieRich

Starting in 2000, the Democrats have been building a massive grassroots and fundraising network, aided by a cadre of left-wing billionaires and activists. They formed numerous organizations like Democracy Alliance, ACT, Change to Win, etc etc and worked in concert with unions, left-wing bloggers, ACORN, Moveon.org, etc etc.

The GOP once had an edge in grassroots organizing and GOTV, but I think our model is outdated. It’s going to take a lot of hard work, some good ideas, some good leaders, and a lot of money to catch up with the left.


2 posted on 01/24/2009 2:51:09 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: CincyRichieRich

Yes, grassroots organizations are forming right now, and not all are Republican but include Democrats alienated by the corruption within their own party. There is intense interest at forming a PAC.

See the following site:

http://texasdarlin.wordpress.com/2009/01/23/congratulations-senator-gillibrand/#comments


3 posted on 01/24/2009 2:59:06 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR PRESIDENT!!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

It’s not that our grass-roots Orgs are innefective, it’s that Dem GRO’s have decided to disregard EVERY campaign law on the books, and do so without fear of EVER being prosecuted for it.

$200 Million+ in illegal overseas contributions should be just the BEGINNING of the investigations, but that will never happen now. We have been delivered Fascism on a dark horse, paid for by the Soros network.


4 posted on 01/24/2009 3:04:45 PM PST by tcrlaf (You Voted DEMOCRAT-You'll Look GREAT In A Burqa!)
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To: CincyRichieRich

I’m going to put my flame-retardant suit on as I throw in my 2 cents:

In the short-term, Repubs need to understand that Obama is riding a huge wave of popular support from the media and the public. Even intelligent arguments against his plans will be interpreted as partisan bickering. So, I think the kissing up the Obama is a necessary evil.

Secondly, Congress has a low approval rating. Repubs need to exploit this. Obama wants to divide and conquer the Repubs. The Repubs need to play the same game. They can play nice with Obama, credit Obama with wisdom, and, at the same time, demonize Pelosi and Reid. Point out the arrogance of their leadership and their pork-barrel positions. Try to court the blue-dog Democrats and make sure they have a friend in the Repubs. I’m sure the blue-dogs are just as uncomfortable with Reid and Pelosi as the Repubs are.

Next, go after Obama’s cabinet after the administration stumbles. They can always say that they voted for their confirmation on good faith and then when they start slipping, point out Clinton’s conflict of interests, Geitners tax recklessness... After all, Repubs can say, how can Obama succeed when he is surrounded by corrupt idiots?

On any crucial issues (like health care), Repubs should do their best to credit Obama, but tie things up by demonizing Reid and Pelosi for any of their contributions.

All this is contigent that the Repubs, conservaties and RINOs can work together and stop the infighting. That, of course, is a huge, and perhaps faulty assumption.

Hannity and Limbaugh should continue doing what they do best and go straight after Obama. They aren’t politicians and if Obama tries to silence them, it may be interpreted as overreaching.

As far as a leader goes, it will need to be someone from the outside, simply that the aforementioned infighting that will occur will force Senators and Congressment to take both sides of the issues at times, siding with Obama but siding against the Legislators. The leader will have to be able to be a vocal critic of socialist ideas, but more importantly, communicate the conservative message with clarity. They will have to speak the truth.

As much as I like Palin, I don’t think she yet has the credibility that most of America (especially in purplish states) can accept. People I’ve talked to think she’s dumb, or scary. I think it’s a shame what the media has done to her, but unless she can find a way to counter that perception, it will continue to stick.

I think, hold your breath, Mitt Romney has the finances, can claim outsider status, some name recognition, and the gravitas to communicate the public on economic and conservative matters clearly. As Freepers often point out, he does have to be very careful to be consistent, which is certainly not his forte. He has to complete his transformation into a true conservative and find a way to appeal to Southern voters, or else he will continue to be unelectable.

For all his faults, I just don’t see anybody else right now that can fit the bill. Newt is popular in conservative circles, but he’s very negatively thought of in centrist and liberal circles.

This is going to be a rough ride regardless filled with puke-worthy ass-kissing. It will also involve a lot of compromising of principles. Fortunately, puke-worthy ass-kissing compromising is one thing that all of our legislators are good at.

My personal prediction is that the Repubs will not be able to unite well enough to counter the Dems and will have, as Dick Morris says, France. There will be no difference between a Repub and a Dem in 12 years. :(


5 posted on 01/24/2009 3:15:01 PM PST by foobarred (Disclaimer: I have a right to be stupid and wrong. Please don't legislate that right from me.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Great info...I wonder who on FR or other has great grant-writing skills or even Professional Project Management skills/Business Analyst skills who can approach some Conservative millionaire/billionaire folks with requests for “grants”/donations. If a 5013c is formed or other, such funds can go a long way...folks like Carl Linder and others are fairly conservative and wealthy. Just some thoughts...

Any Freepers out there with such skillsets?


6 posted on 01/24/2009 3:17:22 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

And the current “stimulus package” has BILLION$ for groups like ACORN who will help the ‘Rats cheat their way into power.


7 posted on 01/24/2009 3:17:22 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money. Margret Thatcher)
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To: St. Louis Conservative; All
“Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.”

Yes, Rush has now taken the place of GW Bush as far as the Libs are concerned.
I agree with your synopsis 100%. Man, as conservatives we need to start our grassroots effort NOW! Start small, with any neutral or reasonable friends, relatives, neighbors, etc. and let them know as things go down why they are wrong & why they won't work. You will be proven right in the long term and our view will then hold more credence at election time.
I myself, am feeling a little sense of desperation right now. I look at my young children and wonder what kind of path we're laying out for them, but then I take heart at what happened during the Carter years. The GOP brand was stained, the libs took temporary control with Carter and the end result was Ronald Reagan.
It's our challenge to make history repeat itself. God willing, our leaders will emerge. Its up to us to start laying the groundwork for them.

8 posted on 01/24/2009 3:21:33 PM PST by 07Jack
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To: foobarred

THe repubs could try to praise obama/demonize Pelosi co., but it will not work because the press will not give them cover. They will ask Obama/Pelosi about it, and they will just start talking about how hypocritical the pubs are, trying to divide and conquer the dems and play politics. And the MSM will give them the means to talk about and bash the pubs.

It only works if the media spins it that way, and doesn’t give the other side time to debunk it. Since the MSM are the democrat media arm, it won’t work the way you’d like, it’ll backfire and be turned into a pub slam.


9 posted on 01/24/2009 3:27:04 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: foobarred

Super reply...no flame retardant needed.

The only thing I’d add is Newt is a great magnet and can be used as a decoy if his ego would allow it.

Again, I thought and may still, think Ralph Reed was a sharp tack.

Rush and Hannity are great, but talking to the fence riders who really decide the elections, is the hard nut.
To do this, we have to INVENT something to go over the heads of the media, and that, is the next either invention, or rather said, “rule-breaker” media or other invention. Examples that break the mold are Flicker, Youtube, Linkedin, etc. These plus a ton of cash plus organization are what’s needed. One issue is the Silicon Valley folks who invent this stuff are usually the paper billionaires who are commies that of course, still love their money and want to spend ours to fullfil their dreams. Find a rich conservative start-up techie to fund it...so, how do we go over the media’s heads to talk to the people?


10 posted on 01/24/2009 3:27:04 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Right you are...they know it, the media knows it, and still we need to go over the media’s heads to talk to and educate the people in a sound byte fashion.

To do this, a new, rule-breaking, disruptive technology is needed that the left does not have access to ...I haven’t the answer, but perhaps Savage, Rush, Hannity and many other conservatives can pool some 5013c monies to fund such a plan...their egos would be needed to come together...unfortunately, that is hard (not impossible).

we need a rich techie or company who can put their brains to use in this. I’m more convinced of this than ever. Stuff like pop-up messages on cell phones with educational info (quick info, not paragraphs like I’m writing). Links to proven facts to educate.

I don’t think I’m crazy.


11 posted on 01/24/2009 3:36:20 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

Right you are...they know it, the media knows it, and still we need to go over the media’s heads to talk to and educate the people in a sound byte fashion.

To do this, a new, rule-breaking, disruptive technology is needed that the left does not have access to ...I haven’t the answer, but perhaps Savage, Rush, Hannity and many other conservatives can pool some 5013c monies to fund such a plan...their egos would be needed to come together...unfortunately, that is hard (not impossible).

we need a rich techie or company who can put their brains to use in this. I’m more convinced of this than ever. Stuff like pop-up messages on cell phones with educational info (quick info, not paragraphs like I’m writing). Links to proven facts to educate.

I don’t think I’m crazy.


12 posted on 01/24/2009 3:36:35 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: foobarred

It’s a shame that people rely on the media to tell them what to think of a person, that is the scariest thing of all. Sarah does need more experience, yes you are correct on that, and I have no idea who these people are who have told you that Sarah is “Dumb” show them her state of the state address and ask them the same question again and let me know if they still feel the same way. I am not saying that she still needs to get her feet wet and gain more experience because she does, but she is definitely on her way to having a great future and perhaps in 2012, or 2016 she will run for President, will she win, it all depends on the state of the Republican party. Look at this party, they are all jumping ship and going to the Democratic side saying “We all must join together” I don’t remember Dems saying after Bush won in 2000 that they have to join together, they were too busy crying how Bush stole the election. I want to see all the RINOS come out so that we can throw them overboard, who needs them. Obama will crash and burn, it’s already started with the laws he is implementing, they are destructive to this country, once enough people open up their damn eyes and see him for what he is we will have our chance to win. Some idiots unfortunately you will never convince, such as the sub-humans who post on the adn, Alaska had an earthquake today, which had NOTHING at all to do with Sarah Palin, they are blaming her for the earthquake, yes these are the people we are all dealing with in this New America under Obama, it’s sick


13 posted on 01/24/2009 3:37:47 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Blood of Tyrants

It’s up to the GOP, grassroots conservative activists, and the conservative media to shine light on these travestys.


14 posted on 01/24/2009 3:38:08 PM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: Secret Agent Man
THe repubs could try to praise obama/demonize Pelosi co., but it will not work because the press will not give them cover. They will ask Obama/Pelosi about it, and they will just start talking about how hypocritical the pubs are, trying to divide and conquer the dems and play politics. And the MSM will give them the means to talk about and bash the pubs.

You could be right, but I think that a single-digit approval rating for Congress shows that it is possible to demonize a Dem-majority Congress. If something is going wrong with the country, the media will look for someone to blame. It won't be Obama, and it's hard to blame Repubs when they are the super-minority. They will sooner blame Pelosi and Reid before Obamessiah.

15 posted on 01/24/2009 3:39:35 PM PST by foobarred (Disclaimer: I have a right to be stupid and wrong. Please don't legislate that right from me.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

“Please don’t reply with sarcasm or unhelpful comments...let’s have an intelligent conversation.”

- I’m hardly the most serious guy around this forum (actually, I hardly even have committed myself to serious studies of the English language).

But, in case any, Obama is a joke as far as I’m concerned.

America is not.

Neither is Europe, although I suspect many Americans today, more or less rightfully, believe it to be.

The most common name in America isn’t Obama.

Over here in Europe, it isn’t Chirac.


16 posted on 01/24/2009 3:40:23 PM PST by WesternCulture
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To: CincyRichieRich
To do this, we have to INVENT something to go over the heads of the media, and that, is the next either invention, or rather said, “rule-breaker” media or other invention. Examples that break the mold are Flicker, Youtube, Linkedin, etc. These plus a ton of cash plus organization are what’s needed. One issue is the Silicon Valley folks who invent this stuff are usually the paper billionaires who are commies that of course, still love their money and want to spend ours to fullfil their dreams. Find a rich conservative start-up techie to fund it...so, how do we go over the media’s heads to talk to the people?

I saw in one of the blogs they posted a video of Romney asking Neil Boortz about the possibility of purchasing a newspaper on the most recent NRO cruise. Boortz had an interesting reply saying essentially that the newspapers are a dying breed. Instead you go after the internet because that's where all the interest is in. Romney also mentioned some "tricks" he did in order to get positive media coverage during his time in Massachusetts that I thought were interesting, such as weekly publicity stunts involving his digging asphalt with construction workers, etc.

Personally, I think media is only a small part of the problem. The bigger part is that our culture has changed radically from the entreprenerial mindset that made this country great to the "win the lottery, or sue your neighbor" victim mentality mindset. Repubs have completely lost the "cool" factor. Our education system and popular culture is to blame. There needs to be celebrity involvement to re-emphasize independence and self-responsibility. I've always thought that heavy metal had a very liberterian streak to it back in the 70s and 80s, so, at least liberterian ideology is something is not impossible to catch the imagination of young folks.

17 posted on 01/24/2009 3:50:45 PM PST by foobarred (Disclaimer: I have a right to be stupid and wrong. Please don't legislate that right from me.)
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To: WesternCulture

WesternCulture - you’re input and opinions are highly valued...thanks!

I think we “non-Koolaid-drinking” Americans see your point and appreciate the real hope in your message.

We can talk all day about Sarah Palin, but that really won’t accomplish much. We need to focus on how to get the infrastructure around her to make it happen...if there isn’t any infrastructure to insulate and protect her, then she’ll be picked off like what is going on now...that’s likely happening with whomever is available to take Chirac’s place in the conservatives in France.


18 posted on 01/24/2009 3:51:38 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: 07Jack
Yes, Rush has now taken the place of GW Bush as far as the Libs are concerned.

Is that such a bad thing? Rush is ready, willing, and able to promote conservatism to the public. He is a vastly more formidable opponent of the left than Bush ever was.

19 posted on 01/24/2009 3:53:51 PM PST by TChad
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To: CincyRichieRich
The answer is flashing in bold letters right at the top of this thread....
UNITED WE STAND
Forget Palin in 2012....I can't find any centrists who would vote for her. I like her and FR in general likes her, but without the center, she will lose bigger than McCain if nominated in 2012.
Newt is in the same boat....too much baggage.
If repubs want a chance to win in 2012, it is paramount that we enthusiastically support whoever the nominee is. Even a RINO. Otherwise get ready for 4 more years of marxist socialism under Obama.

20 posted on 01/24/2009 3:58:56 PM PST by ajay_kumar (Wake me up when the NON-Natural Citizen is out of office.)
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To: TChad
He is a vastly more formidable opponent of the left than Bush ever was.

Probably today's strongest Conservative voice.

21 posted on 01/24/2009 3:59:30 PM PST by Doe Eyes
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To: Sarah Barracuda
It’s a shame that people rely on the media to tell them what to think of a person, that is the scariest thing of all. Sarah does need more experience, yes you are correct on that, and I have no idea who these people are who have told you that Sarah is “Dumb” show them her state of the state address and ask them the same question again and let me know if they still feel the same way. I am not saying that she still needs to get her feet wet and gain more experience because she does, but she is definitely on her way to having a great future and perhaps in 2012, or 2016 she will run for President, will she win, it all depends on the state of the Republican party. Look at this party, they are all jumping ship and going to the Democratic side saying “We all must join together” I don’t remember Dems saying after Bush won in 2000 that they have to join together, they were too busy crying how Bush stole the election. I want to see all the RINOS come out so that we can throw them overboard, who needs them. Obama will crash and burn, it’s already started with the laws he is implementing, they are destructive to this country, once enough people open up their damn eyes and see him for what he is we will have our chance to win. Some idiots unfortunately you will never convince, such as the sub-humans who post on the adn, Alaska had an earthquake today, which had NOTHING at all to do with Sarah Palin, they are blaming her for the earthquake, yes these are the people we are all dealing with in this New America under Obama, it’s sick

I agree with you on every point. I believe that certain people have a gut reaction based on how people talk. I know people that have an instantly negative reaction to others that have a Southern accent. I've heard more than a couple people that had a gut dislike for Sarah because of her "soccer mom" statements. Of course, those same people will never see nor hear about Joe Biden's reckless and foolish statements or acts.

As far as RINOs go, I agree that they are the biggest reason why we're at where we're at. We had a Repub Presidency, and a Repub majority, and we squandered it. Big spending Repubs (including our president) betrayed the conservative philosophy. Now how credible will it be when someone speaks out and tells you that conservatism actually means that we should spend less???

Now the real sad thing is that now, the RINOs have the most power. The conservatives will need to work with the RINOs if they desperately need a filibuster. I just hope all the current ass-kissing is part of the grand plan that I just mentioned. Somehow I just can't place that kind of coordination and forethought to our party.

22 posted on 01/24/2009 4:00:16 PM PST by foobarred (Disclaimer: I have a right to be stupid and wrong. Please don't legislate that right from me.)
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To: foobarred
I agree with what you say. Especially,

All this is contigent that the Repubs, conservaties and RINOs can work together and stop the infighting. That, of course, is a huge, and perhaps faulty assumption.

I think the Republican party has to redefine their "base". There doesn't seem to be a way to make a coherent party of the current warring factions.

The key to 2010, and 2012, is to pick leaders who can provide a good and coherent alternative to the far Left platform we have in control now. I am very concerned about who will be elected head of the RNC. Michael Steele is my choice, because he understands the need to have a solid message, even if it doesn't satisfy everyone.

And I'd like to see Romney as the candidate being groomed for the 2012 election. His financial management skills will be sorely needed then.

I don't expect the GOP party platform to be one that I agree with 100%; I just hope it's coherent enough and clear enough that we are all marching together.

23 posted on 01/24/2009 4:04:38 PM PST by speekinout
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To: All

Screw this BS - it’s time for the GOP to take off the gloves and do to Obama what the MSM did to Palin.

The GOP should issue a press release, no, hold a press conference every time Obama makes a mistake and there will be plenty of them.

The GOP needs to stop taking the high road like McCain did and take off the gloves.

That goes for calling out the MSM for what they are as well - shills for the DNC


24 posted on 01/24/2009 4:07:46 PM PST by Rodney Dangerfield (Barack Obama - aka "President Milli Vanilli")
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To: tcrlaf

We had ACORN voter fraud in Oklahoma in 2008 that almost cost us control of the OK Senate. Fortunately it didn’t but it was very close. If there is ACORN voter fraud in Oklahoma cannot imagine the extent of it in larger states.

We are going to have to do a grassroots effort to clean up the voting roles for 2010.

Ken Blackwell, former Ohio Secretary of State, is running for RNC Chair and would be the perfect person to go on the attack against the voter fraud and lack of Dems following the law. Please call or email your National Committeeman/woman and GOP Chair to vote for Blackwell.

Last thing we need is someone to head the RNC that is a part of the RNC organization since they have fallen way behing in how to run elections. Mike Duncan may have been the worst RNC Chair when we didn’t have money between NRCC (horrible leadership) and RNC to fund last minute ads for candidates it shows they are worthless.

We need new blood and Ken Blackwell would bring conservative values to the RNC and make sure that everyone knows there is a difference. Everyone needs to attend their precinct meetings and become delegates to their County and State Convention to have some say in the direction the party is going.


25 posted on 01/24/2009 4:09:35 PM PST by PhiKapMom ( BOOMER SOONER! Sam Bradford Heisman! LetsGetThisRight.com RED STATE Oklahoma Republican)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield

Could’nt agree more. Except GOP just will never morph into a vicious attack dog. Not in the genes.


26 posted on 01/24/2009 4:13:11 PM PST by ajay_kumar (Wake me up when the NON-Natural Citizen is out of office.)
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To: Rodney Dangerfield
Screw this BS - it’s time for the GOP to take off the gloves and do to Obama what the MSM did to Palin.

As much as I relish the idea, I think if the GOP does it, it will backfire. That's what Rush and Hannity are for. That's what the grassroots are for. The GOP has no credibility with the public right now. Their brand is mud. Worse yet, the MSM will drag some ordinary people through the mud if they criticize the ONE. What you really need is an African American voicing their displeasure. Alonzo Rachel the v-blogger comes to mind.

27 posted on 01/24/2009 4:13:58 PM PST by foobarred (Disclaimer: I have a right to be stupid and wrong. Please don't legislate that right from me.)
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To: PhiKapMom

Ken’s a great guy...met him in person.

Shaking things up will work. He understands technology, too.

I hope the old blood and RINOS don’t shut him out.

Michael Steele would be good, too.


28 posted on 01/24/2009 4:15:37 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: CincyRichieRich

Don’t count on 2012 folks. The people who gave us John McCain wil make sure we nominate Alf Landon instead of Ronald Reagan. We’re going to get clobbered.


29 posted on 01/24/2009 4:16:30 PM PST by bobjam
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To: foobarred
You have a fairly good grasp of what is going on. As Republicans we are already taking stock of who will run in two years. Actually, we have been for a while. We are, for the most part, open and neutral as to who it will be. Frankly incumbency is favored as that gives us a near certain win. We are looking for attractive young candidates who can articulate a clear and contrasting message and who have a clean background and, very importantly, can raise money on their own. We are looking at the current social divisions and anticipating what new ones will come to the forefront. We want bridge candidates.

There is a lot of support for Sarah Palin but virtually no one believes that she will be the nominee in 2012. She could be, but she has a rough road ahead. My guess is Romney but there are a number of bright young Republicans who could catch fire.

30 posted on 01/24/2009 4:19:29 PM PST by MARTIAL MONK
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To: bobjam

BobJam and Rodney Dangerfield...I appreciate your sentiment and frustration...with all do respect, huffing and pessimism are things we simply have to get past...we are already past that...it’s assumed and it just wastes energy. We need that energy focused forwards, not backwards.

Rip off the rear view mirrors, please.


31 posted on 01/24/2009 4:28:35 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: bobjam

BobJam and Rodney Dangerfield...I appreciate your sentiment and frustration...with all do respect, huffing and pessimism are things we simply have to get past...we are already past that...it’s assumed and it just wastes energy. We need that energy focused forwards, not backwards.

Rip off the rear view mirrors, please.


32 posted on 01/24/2009 4:28:44 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: bobjam

BobJam and Rodney Dangerfield...I appreciate your sentiment and frustration...with all do respect, huffing and pessimism are things we simply have to get past...we are already past that...it’s assumed and it just wastes energy. We need that energy focused forwards, not backwards.

Rip off the rear view mirrors, please.


33 posted on 01/24/2009 4:29:18 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: TChad

Not a bad thing at all!

I do want to say IMHO George W. Bush is a decent and honorable man who history will judge more favorably then present time; but I agree in this fight Rush is a more formidable opponent for the Libs.
My point is; we conservatives have to hang tough and together in this fight, and start scratching and clawing our way back NOW as individuals, paving the way for our future leaders, instead of just waiting for a leader to emerge first.


34 posted on 01/24/2009 4:30:45 PM PST by 07Jack
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To: CincyRichieRich

Why is Pres Obama giving Rush Limbaugh so much power. Limbaugh is an entertainer not a politician.


35 posted on 01/24/2009 4:35:54 PM PST by sabe@q.com (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: CincyRichieRich
Rush and Hannity are great, but talking to the fence riders who really decide the elections, is the hard nut.

That's part of the problem, but I think the bigger problem is that the ONLY reason I voted for McCain was I'd rather have a third rate fireman than a first rate arsonist.

The communists could get extremely excited about Obama. Is there anything ANYONE could get excited about with McCain (except for the VP pick)?

36 posted on 01/24/2009 4:38:55 PM PST by Richard Kimball (We're all criminals. They just haven't figured out what some of us have done yet.)
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To: CincyRichieRich
Great talking to an Internet user like you!

We'll see what becomes of Obama.

In any case, I feel Conservatism and common sense is gaining ground in many countries.

From a European perspective, leaders like Merkel and Sarkozy constitute major improvements to Schröder and Chirac. I don't dance around naked all day, but neither do I sense the end of Western Civilization to be nigh.

My belief is that USA (which, any way you look at it, remains the leading nation on Earth) will survive Obama just like it survived Carter.

Today, it's commonly said our respective economies are in a awful shape. Somewhat true looking from a short perspective perhaps, but we need to be much more concerned over the shape of our leaders.

Best of regards from a somewhat inebriated, although still clear sighted, guy in Volvo land:D

37 posted on 01/24/2009 5:15:43 PM PST by WesternCulture
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To: Sarah Barracuda

I find it strange that people still think that Sarah Palin cannot attract independents. The fact is that she was elected governor and has enjoyed very high approval ratings in a state where there is a relatively higher proportion of independent voters (43%) than many other states. Palin is a conservative no doubt, but if anthing she is a conservative realist. As for her need for more experience, one would have wished the same thing about Obama, not to mention that obvious buffoon Biden. The fact is, that who ever the GOP nominee is, is going to be savaged by the MSM. That has already been done to Sarah. There is nothing new they can say, and most of the negative memes that have been perpetrated against her have become increasingly incredible if not unintentionally hilarious. The GOP needs to turn the MSM itself into an object of ridicule.


38 posted on 01/24/2009 5:37:07 PM PST by Emerson C
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To: CincyRichieRich
By the time 2010 arrives everything will be in such a mess....we'll then start to take back what we've lost. The donkeys can't solve nothing they've proved that...they crashed the economy to win...now they've gotten it all...watch the disaster in coming...they do not have the answers...only true capitalist conservatives can turn this around.......
39 posted on 01/24/2009 5:46:13 PM PST by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand;but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc 10:2)
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To: foobarred

You make some good arguments, and some good points. I especially agree that as things are going, there will be no difference in Republican and Democrat parties in 12 years, though there are some who would say that there really is no difference... and they may be more right than wrong.

We don’t need to come at this with a Republican vs. Democrat mentality; we need to absorb the disenfranchised Democrats, possibly even leaving the RINO party to do so... in other words, we need to have [and be] men of character, men who will not stand for the corruption of DC.

If we make it about something simple, that most everyone can get behind, the un-Patriot elite will not be able to stop us... after we establish that America is supposed to be governed Of the People and By the People and that there should be no special treatment of someone because they have political friends. (Our new Sec. of Treasury? That guy with the cash in his freezer? so many more... get a free ride for things that would get us “poor common folk” tossed into jail for.)

If we can catch the moral outrage of the conservatives, and incite the Democrats/social-liberals (who claim to want social justice; also, how can one have “social” justice when REAL justice is ignored?) and share this with them... that is key.


40 posted on 01/24/2009 6:50:45 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Emerson C
I find it strange that people still think that Sarah Palin cannot attract independents.

I also think part of the problem is that anyone who wears their Christianity on their sleeves is an instant subject for ridicule by the late night comedians and the MSM. I personally think the late night comedians have more of an influence on the public political views than Rush and Hannity combined.

The GOP needs to turn the MSM itself into an object of ridicule.

Tried for years. Never has happened. The best case scenario is if major news outlets go bankrupt. Media is one of the few markets that defy economic common sense. FoxNews is extremely shrewd in moving further to the right after Obama was elected to basically own a monopoly on conservative viewership. Everyone else has to compete for an arguably larger audience, but not much larger. The NY Times is struggling, other newsrags have cut circulation or gone under, MSNBC is owned by GE who is struggling, NPR is asking for more money. I question the amount of money there is in the internet, especially at a time when industry is slashing adverstising dollars.

At some point, market forces will take over (unless there's a large bailout) and the news outlets will become more balanced. I really think the real battle is the culture wars. Conservatism needs to market itself as the new counter-culture. Make it cool again. Don't be a conformist!

41 posted on 01/24/2009 6:56:25 PM PST by foobarred (Disclaimer: I have a right to be stupid and wrong. Please don't legislate that right from me.)
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To: foobarred

>Conservatism needs to market itself as the new counter-culture. Make it cool again. Don’t be a conformist!

That fits exactly into what I was trying to say! [Post 40]


42 posted on 01/24/2009 7:08:16 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
We don’t need to come at this with a Republican vs. Democrat mentality; we need to absorb the disenfranchised Democrats, possibly even leaving the RINO party to do so... in other words, we need to have [and be] men of character, men who will not stand for the corruption of DC.

Oh how I wish I wish I wish that this would work. A government based on principle instead of the politics of personal gain. The irony is that this is the same sort of argument my liberal/socialist friends make when I explain to them the folly of central planning. Liberal/socialists wish for the days of "philosopher kings" where the smartest of the smart would run govt. I would say, "Of course, if you have all the right people with all the right expertise, maybe you just might have a chance to make it work. But that would never happen." Between you and me, even with the right people, I doubt that a handful of smart people can efficiently run an economy the size of the United States.

Regardless, I've become pretty cynical on this point. I don't place any faith on the principles of any given politician. They got to where they're at for a reason, and that's because they've all been able to pander to the right people, compromise on their views, and said the right things to get their votes. Even if they did get voted in on principle, initially; I believe that in the long run, all politicians will tend towards whatever it takes to lengthen their career. Maybe there's a few outliers, but I'm probably right for 95% of them.

Given that's the case, we have to fight with the army we've got (to paraphrase Don Rumsfield). They are all political animals and are fighting political animals. You can't expect a political animal to suddenly go on principle when they sense certain defeat and unpopularity. There must be a win for them for each one to participate. Each one will stand on principled ground if there's a chance of winning.

Any roadmap to victory must incorporate the fact that we have RINOs in our midst, and also conservatives. But even our conservatives will compromise if it suits them. With no winning roadmap, all of them will drift further left faster than you can say Arnold Swartzenegger! I would love to kick out the RINOs, but they have most of the power right now as you cannot filibuster without them.

It's probably not what anyone wants to hear, but there it is. Politics is dirty, and in the long run, all politicians tend toward corruption. That is why I'm a conservative. Only through limiting the power and scope of government can you limit the damage of corruption. That and term limits!

43 posted on 01/24/2009 7:17:13 PM PST by foobarred (Disclaimer: I have a right to be stupid and wrong. Please don't legislate that right from me.)
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To: foobarred
in the long run, all politicians tend toward corruption.

I was re-reading and that was a bit harsh. Rather, ... in the long run, all politicians tend towards compromise (or corruption if you're a Democrat, or Maverickness if you're a Repub).

44 posted on 01/24/2009 7:22:27 PM PST by foobarred (Disclaimer: I have a right to be stupid and wrong. Please don't legislate that right from me.)
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To: foobarred

Well, let’s agree that perhaps 33% corruption; 33% compromise; the other 34% towards RINOism, which is weaseling and selling out (McCain and Graham).

So let’s get back to technical communications tools, methods of organizing, communications methods, etc. Without such, any candidates will not really stand a chance against the Left’s media machinery.


45 posted on 01/24/2009 8:26:09 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: CincyRichieRich

Okay.

Here’s a few things that won’t work.

1. Airing news about corrupt Democrats on radio, tv, or the internet.
2. Airing news about questionable associations concerning Democrats.
3. Airing news about anything bad about Democrats.

Why? Because all of this has been tried already. It took a year before the news of Jeremiah Wright gained mainstream acceptance, and it stopped being news less than a week afterwards. Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd are hot topics on all the conservative radio broadcasts but the MSM fails to pick it up.

People don’t want to hear what they don’t want to believe. I have a liberal sister that I cannot convince despite a mountain of facts and evidence. Liberals with relativist thinking will always believe that, since there’s no objective right or wrong, then it’s okay to continue to believe what’s wrong because it’s really right depending on your point of view, right?

Of course, this is old news and is not helpful.

I believe the key is, not the delivery mechanism of the message, but the message itself: conservatism is cool. It’s the new counter-culture. Liberalism is stupid enough to make fun of. Liberalism is stodgy and takes itself way too seriously.

You can have something akin to the 1984 Apple Superbowl ad but with a college student (presumably conservative) running down the aisle throwing a copy of the Constitution at the huge screen of a talking Obama (or an environmentalist hippie— people might be more willing to accept that. A talking Obama would be funnier to Repubs but less effective to the public) or something. I dunno, I’m not a marketing guru, but I just don’t see anything working without a message that captures the imagination of the culturally-chic cool kids.

Make something clever... anything clever, it will make it out there on the internet, and people will get the message.


46 posted on 01/24/2009 9:13:19 PM PST by foobarred (Disclaimer: I have a right to be stupid and wrong. Please don't legislate that right from me.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

Well then, we need to take steps now to make sure 2012 is 1980 and not 1936.


47 posted on 01/26/2009 4:40:02 AM PST by bobjam
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I think 2004 was the first time in quite awhile GOP GOTV was better than the rats.


48 posted on 01/27/2009 3:28:35 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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