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Planning the 2012 Comeback...take the nation back
National Review Online ^ | 1-24-09 | Byron York

Posted on 01/24/2009 2:39:29 PM PST by CincyRichieRich

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To: Emerson C
I find it strange that people still think that Sarah Palin cannot attract independents.

I also think part of the problem is that anyone who wears their Christianity on their sleeves is an instant subject for ridicule by the late night comedians and the MSM. I personally think the late night comedians have more of an influence on the public political views than Rush and Hannity combined.

The GOP needs to turn the MSM itself into an object of ridicule.

Tried for years. Never has happened. The best case scenario is if major news outlets go bankrupt. Media is one of the few markets that defy economic common sense. FoxNews is extremely shrewd in moving further to the right after Obama was elected to basically own a monopoly on conservative viewership. Everyone else has to compete for an arguably larger audience, but not much larger. The NY Times is struggling, other newsrags have cut circulation or gone under, MSNBC is owned by GE who is struggling, NPR is asking for more money. I question the amount of money there is in the internet, especially at a time when industry is slashing adverstising dollars.

At some point, market forces will take over (unless there's a large bailout) and the news outlets will become more balanced. I really think the real battle is the culture wars. Conservatism needs to market itself as the new counter-culture. Make it cool again. Don't be a conformist!

41 posted on 01/24/2009 6:56:25 PM PST by foobarred (Disclaimer: I have a right to be stupid and wrong. Please don't legislate that right from me.)
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>Conservatism needs to market itself as the new counter-culture. Make it cool again. Don’t be a conformist!

That fits exactly into what I was trying to say! [Post 40]


42 posted on 01/24/2009 7:08:16 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark
We don’t need to come at this with a Republican vs. Democrat mentality; we need to absorb the disenfranchised Democrats, possibly even leaving the RINO party to do so... in other words, we need to have [and be] men of character, men who will not stand for the corruption of DC.

Oh how I wish I wish I wish that this would work. A government based on principle instead of the politics of personal gain. The irony is that this is the same sort of argument my liberal/socialist friends make when I explain to them the folly of central planning. Liberal/socialists wish for the days of "philosopher kings" where the smartest of the smart would run govt. I would say, "Of course, if you have all the right people with all the right expertise, maybe you just might have a chance to make it work. But that would never happen." Between you and me, even with the right people, I doubt that a handful of smart people can efficiently run an economy the size of the United States.

Regardless, I've become pretty cynical on this point. I don't place any faith on the principles of any given politician. They got to where they're at for a reason, and that's because they've all been able to pander to the right people, compromise on their views, and said the right things to get their votes. Even if they did get voted in on principle, initially; I believe that in the long run, all politicians will tend towards whatever it takes to lengthen their career. Maybe there's a few outliers, but I'm probably right for 95% of them.

Given that's the case, we have to fight with the army we've got (to paraphrase Don Rumsfield). They are all political animals and are fighting political animals. You can't expect a political animal to suddenly go on principle when they sense certain defeat and unpopularity. There must be a win for them for each one to participate. Each one will stand on principled ground if there's a chance of winning.

Any roadmap to victory must incorporate the fact that we have RINOs in our midst, and also conservatives. But even our conservatives will compromise if it suits them. With no winning roadmap, all of them will drift further left faster than you can say Arnold Swartzenegger! I would love to kick out the RINOs, but they have most of the power right now as you cannot filibuster without them.

It's probably not what anyone wants to hear, but there it is. Politics is dirty, and in the long run, all politicians tend toward corruption. That is why I'm a conservative. Only through limiting the power and scope of government can you limit the damage of corruption. That and term limits!

43 posted on 01/24/2009 7:17:13 PM PST by foobarred (Disclaimer: I have a right to be stupid and wrong. Please don't legislate that right from me.)
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in the long run, all politicians tend toward corruption.

I was re-reading and that was a bit harsh. Rather, ... in the long run, all politicians tend towards compromise (or corruption if you're a Democrat, or Maverickness if you're a Repub).

44 posted on 01/24/2009 7:22:27 PM PST by foobarred (Disclaimer: I have a right to be stupid and wrong. Please don't legislate that right from me.)
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Well, let’s agree that perhaps 33% corruption; 33% compromise; the other 34% towards RINOism, which is weaseling and selling out (McCain and Graham).

So let’s get back to technical communications tools, methods of organizing, communications methods, etc. Without such, any candidates will not really stand a chance against the Left’s media machinery.


45 posted on 01/24/2009 8:26:09 PM PST by CincyRichieRich (Keep your head up and keep moving forward!)
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To: CincyRichieRich

Okay.

Here’s a few things that won’t work.

1. Airing news about corrupt Democrats on radio, tv, or the internet.
2. Airing news about questionable associations concerning Democrats.
3. Airing news about anything bad about Democrats.

Why? Because all of this has been tried already. It took a year before the news of Jeremiah Wright gained mainstream acceptance, and it stopped being news less than a week afterwards. Barney Frank and Christopher Dodd are hot topics on all the conservative radio broadcasts but the MSM fails to pick it up.

People don’t want to hear what they don’t want to believe. I have a liberal sister that I cannot convince despite a mountain of facts and evidence. Liberals with relativist thinking will always believe that, since there’s no objective right or wrong, then it’s okay to continue to believe what’s wrong because it’s really right depending on your point of view, right?

Of course, this is old news and is not helpful.

I believe the key is, not the delivery mechanism of the message, but the message itself: conservatism is cool. It’s the new counter-culture. Liberalism is stupid enough to make fun of. Liberalism is stodgy and takes itself way too seriously.

You can have something akin to the 1984 Apple Superbowl ad but with a college student (presumably conservative) running down the aisle throwing a copy of the Constitution at the huge screen of a talking Obama (or an environmentalist hippie— people might be more willing to accept that. A talking Obama would be funnier to Repubs but less effective to the public) or something. I dunno, I’m not a marketing guru, but I just don’t see anything working without a message that captures the imagination of the culturally-chic cool kids.

Make something clever... anything clever, it will make it out there on the internet, and people will get the message.


46 posted on 01/24/2009 9:13:19 PM PST by foobarred (Disclaimer: I have a right to be stupid and wrong. Please don't legislate that right from me.)
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To: CincyRichieRich

Well then, we need to take steps now to make sure 2012 is 1980 and not 1936.


47 posted on 01/26/2009 4:40:02 AM PST by bobjam
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I think 2004 was the first time in quite awhile GOP GOTV was better than the rats.


48 posted on 01/27/2009 3:28:35 AM PST by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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