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Colorado ACLU: Supermax move for Gitmo detainees would mock justice (BARF)
Colorado Independent ^
| Ernest Luning
Posted on 01/27/2009 1:51:27 PM PST by markomalley
Politicians in Colorado are split over the chance detainees from Guantánamo Bay, Cuba, could be imprisoned at the Supermax federal detention facility in Florence. Some say Supermax can handle Gitmo suspects just fine, others warn its too dangerous. But the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Colorado said in a statement to the Colorado Independent Friday afternoon that moving Gitmo detainees including many only suspected of crimes to the countrys most secure prison is simply another form of torture, one which makes a mockery of innocent until proven guilty.
While the Obama administrations plans to shut down Gitmo earn the groups applause, ACLU of Colorado executive director Cathryn Hazouri says the conditions at Supermax wont be an improvement for terror suspects. Noting that several Gitmo detainees have been released after the Bush administration admitted it couldnt prove guilt, Hazouri questions whether a move to the tiny cells at Supermax, where most inmates are kept in solitary confinement 23 hours a day, is fair treatment for suspects awaiting trial.
Hazouris full statement follows:
The ACLU of Colorado applauds President Obama for making the closure of the prison at Guantánamo his administrations first priority. We welcome these steps towards restoring the rule of law in America. For those considering Colorados ADX Florence prison (Supermax) as an alternative facility for housing these detainees, we offer these considerations. Many of the detainees are being held without charges while still awaiting trial. They havent been convicted of any crime and for many there is no evidence against them. While a transfer to the Supermax facility will indisputably bring the detainees under the protection of the United States justice system, overall their living conditions will not improve.
This prison is the most secure federal prison in the nation. Most individuals are kept in solitary confinement for at least 23 hours each day. They live in a 7×12 ft room with walls and furniture built almost entirely out of concrete. The single free hour is spent exercising alone in a separate concrete chamber. The federal government reserves these conditions for the worst of the worst, such as convicted terrorists Ted Kaczynski, 1993 World Trade Center bombers Omar Abdel-Rahman and Ramzi Yousef, and Olympic Park bomber Eric Rudolph. The cases against these men were clear, and they themselves were unapologetic in their guilt.
In contrast, many of the Guantánamo detainees are merely suspected of being guilty. They are held without charge, without the ability to see the evidence against them or to offer contrary evidence in their own defense. Several of them have been released after the last administration finally admitted it had no proof of their guilt. While at Guantánamo they endured psychological and physical torture such as waterboarding and sexual degradation, but at least they had two hours of exercise per day and some contact with others, if only by yelling from cell to cell. Waterboarding and the like wont happen at Supermax, but for these men awaiting trial, indefinite detention in total sound and sight isolation is simply another form of torture, one which makes a mockery of innocent until proven guilty. To release these individuals from Guantánamo Bay, only to send them to the toughest prison in the country could well be considered a move out of the frying pan into the fire.
Executive Director, ACLU of Colorado
TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; US: Colorado; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aclu; detainees; nationalsuicide; terrorism
Maybe Cathryn could put up a few of them in her house....
Why is no one asking the American Confused Liberals Union what their better idea is? THey always whine and complain but i dont see them coming up wit hanything BETTER and they are never ASKED for a better idea.
They are just liberal whiners wihtout a plan themselves.
posted on 01/27/2009 1:54:48 PM PST
"The ACLU of Colorado applauds President Obama for making the closure of the prison at Guantánamo his administrations first priority."
Actually, the reality of the matter, is that Obama signed an executive order GUARNTEEING that Gitmo would stay open for business for a MINIMUM of 1 year.
I think he suckered his moonbat base who cannot see the logic of that maneuver.
posted on 01/27/2009 1:55:20 PM PST
Cathy has just now figured out that when she or her funny little ACLU friends visit Supermax to deal with their other clients, there's a definite risk that some AlQaida sleeper agent is going to jump them and hold them hostage to get their buddies out of Supermax.
With Cathy they'll probably cut her throat first (since she's a Moslem apostate), and hold the others hostage.
This, BTW, is the problem with all the continental US prison sites ~ EXCEPT FOR ALCATRAZ!
I think they should be sent to Alcatraz so when they get released they're in downtown San Francisco among their friends.
posted on 01/27/2009 1:55:57 PM PST
Let them loose in Oregon, Washington State and Central California, that seems to be where the concentration of folks calling for their release are located...
posted on 01/27/2009 1:57:13 PM PST
(Stupidity has an expiration date 1-20-2013 *(Thanks Nana))
They've grown used to tropical breezes. There must be a minimum security Club Fed prison near Miami or San Diego.
posted on 01/27/2009 2:02:05 PM PST
(On 9/11 Israel mourned with us while the Palestinians danced in the streets. Who should we support?)
The federal government reserves these conditions for the worst of the worst, such as convicted terrorists Ted Kaczynski, 1993 World Trade Center bombers Omar Abdel-Rahman and Ramzi Yousef, and Olympic Park bomber Eric Rudolph. The cases against these men were clear, and they themselves were unapologetic in their guilt.
The public case for building supermax prisons wasn't to psychologically torture the clearly guilty and unapologetic, it was to protect corrections officers from violent prisoners.
posted on 01/27/2009 2:04:15 PM PST
The ACLU would release the terrorists. Needn’t ask, it’s obvious.
posted on 01/27/2009 2:07:55 PM PST
by Uncle Miltie
(Dissent is Patriotic. Palin 2012!)
To: Uncle Miltie
Turn them loose in Utah and sell hunting licenses for $10,000 each. Zero could then use the money for community activism.
posted on 01/27/2009 2:16:20 PM PST
(Never ever use DirecTV)
To: Uncle Miltie
Since jail is to rough for these innocent until proven guilty terrorists, why dont they just stay with the families that work at the ACLU? They speak so highly of these prisoners they would welcome them with open arms....yeah right!
posted on 01/27/2009 2:18:14 PM PST
(you want my guns..come and get em...I dare ya....)
Spread ‘em out...one or two at a time in Supermax prisons. Let them mingle with the general inmate population. When those one or two have been shanked....put in another one or two.
posted on 01/27/2009 2:20:21 PM PST
(CONGRESS: Take it again in twenty ten.)
My message to Colorado is:
You voted for O-vomit. Elections have consequences, so by extension you wanted this, to take them all, bitches!!
posted on 01/27/2009 2:44:06 PM PST
(Make my world PURRRFECT, Lord Obama!)
Just lease Oodaaq island and put up a federal prison.
Airdrop them supples every 6 months.
No need for guards.
All of Colorado did not vote that way.
is simply another form of torture,
Then leave them at Gitmo!
“1st let’s kill all the Lawyers”?
Nahhhh, 1st, let’s kill all the a.c.l.u. lawyers.
posted on 01/27/2009 3:05:34 PM PST
by Joe Boucher
(An enemy of Islam)
While the Florence ADX is okay, I think it would be better in future if they hard rock mined a prison inside the Rockies. It could be enormous, and very secure. Not too many people are able to bore their way through 300 feet of solid granite with a plastic spoon.
Supermax??? LOL! Really, LOL!!!
They will be begging for Gitmo after just seeing the Supermax.
posted on 01/27/2009 5:17:49 PM PST
But the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) of Colorado said in a statement to the Colorado Independent Friday afternoon that moving Gitmo detainees including many only suspected of crimes to the countrys most secure prison is simply another form of torture, one which makes a mockery of innocent until proven guilty.
So...jailing enemy combatents is “torture”? Mark my words, jailing murder suspects will be the next to be hailed as being put under torture by bein incarcerated...what a horribly backwards world we live in...When did be become more interested in ‘justice for the criminal before those who were wronged’???
posted on 01/27/2009 5:27:04 PM PST
by phatus maximus
( John 6:29. Learn it, love it, live it.)
Florence is a place to rot for the rest of your life. I told my wife from day 1 that they were going to head there, at least the worst ones. It is equipped to handle them and they will be absolutely worse off than Gitmo.
Personally, I think we should drop them into some of the mine shafts we have in Victor and call it a day.
Building a prison inside of one of the mountains in the area is more than doable. Kind of like a NORAD but only to house scum like these guys.
posted on 01/27/2009 7:24:40 PM PST
Denver and Boulder voted for Obama: don’t tag us with this garbage because most of the rest of the state didn’t have a say in electing the POTUS. We also had no say in McCain being the nominee.
If you are from VA like your name states, I think you voted Obama. I think you also had a say in nominating McCain.
And, BTW, CO is more than happy to take all of the prisoners. Florence, CO (Canon City) makes a business out of prisons and houses a LOT of the refuse from the system.
Florence ADX is the most secure prison in the US and houses the prisoners that no one else wants (see a list on Wikipedia). Adding in a couple more diaper heads will mean nothing.
posted on 01/27/2009 7:34:15 PM PST
It’s nice to know who your neighbors are ;-]
posted on 01/27/2009 8:02:10 PM PST
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