Posted on 01/27/2009 3:25:05 PM PST by neverdem
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the moonbats have been implanted with brain chips that tell them every US dollar spent on “green” energy returns $1.59 in tax benefit
I have heard this many times in recent weeks, I have no idea who ginned up these figures
But undoubtedly our faux intellectual president has swallowed this
thus, Massachusetts effectively requires the imposition of carbon-dioxide controls on new cars and trucks.
I don't think the ruling does this. It gives authority to, but the EPA could say "Manmade CO2, while a portion of greenhouse gases, has no measurable effect, and therefore the ceiling of its regulation is so high as to be negligible."
Obamites are NOT going to say this, but a different administration could and be within the ruling.
It's still bad news, but by authorizing, not mandating.
Just makes you want to drop a burning tire in the town square doesn’t it?
Indeed.
I wonder how much CO2 the average 14” tire would release? About five year’s worth compared to the exhaust of the average car? Questions to ponder.
You are correct, they could say that, but they would likely lose in court based on the language of the Clean Air Act.
Once grouped in with SOX, NOX, Ozone, etc., a few things happen automatically. The biggest of which are noted in the article above, and the most immediate of which is making CO2 a pollutant regulated under the new source review provisions of the CAA.
That provision makes any source which emits >250 tons per year of any such regulated pollutant a major stationary source. That forces a lot of pain in the ass provisions including BACT, additional impacts analysis (flora and fauna), growth, etc.
EPA could come out and "say" it doesn't apply to CO2, but that would also be against the language in the CAA - if they want to hammer power plants and industries with the definition - they'll get stuck hammering schools and large buildings, and whatnot.
My opinion is - let them do it, let them try to exempt some types of facilities (say the New York Times Office Building), and then let the industries that are the intended targets of this crap hammer them with lawsuits to force Congress to change the CAA.
The whole process is broken, and I am actually looking forward to seeing what happens when the whacko environmentalists get what they wish for. With any luck it will be a substantial backlash...
If the law requires that, then the law is a ass.
“We’re screwed.”
That about sums up the Obama administration.
We can have draconian regulation of CO2 without even a bill in Congress. It’s an awful situation on environment. Freedom is out the window.
Many thanks for the clarification and correction.
“I don’t buy that “authority to” equals “must regulate CO2..” or any particular molecules.”
You don’t have to. It’s like arguing that the Congress cant pass campaign finance reform because it violates the 1st amendment. Since when did actual law get in the way? The eco-extremists are eager to usurp our liberties any way they can and wont hesitate to use any tool at their disposal.
The article is basically telling us the EPA can claim authority to regulate CO2 and no court will stop them.
How can they when the SCOTUS already granted that authority?
My thinking was that though the courts wouldn’t stop them, congress or the executive could.
What gives them the power to legislate?
What gives them the power to levy taxes?
No, the law sure doesn't get in the way, even though that is what it was designed to do.
I have heard this many times in recent weeks, I have no idea who ginned up these figures
And I can virtually guarantee that if the "benefit" is less than 3.5/1, it is faux and will be a money loser.
Don't know whose WAG the $1.59/1 may be, but I suspect Hansen or Gore.
Your thanks is only accepted for the clarification...
I would only be able to provide a "correction" if I could tell you that any of this had a snowballs chance in hell to make sense and that there was a light at the end of the tunnel.
Problem is - I have learned that when dealing with environmental rules or laws, the only way to be successful is to throw common sense, logic, and intelligence out the window, and proceed from there.
As a result - even if I might be right on the regulatory and legal aspects (big if), you are still right on the common sense front - therefore I can not accept anything that might relay that I am making a correction, because correction, at least to me, implies common sense and logic.
Take care my friend.
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