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Chief Rabbinate cuts ties with Vatican
The Jerusalem Post ^ | Jan 28, 2009 | MATTHEW WAGNER

Posted on 01/28/2009 11:11:13 AM PST by forkinsocket

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1 posted on 01/28/2009 11:11:14 AM PST by forkinsocket
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This is pure ignorance or spreading misinformation. The lifting of excommunication had nothing whatsoever to do with the Holocaust denials, which have already been condemned. This bishop was one of a number of renegade bishops involved in the illicit consecration of bishops by SSPX, which was in fact the chief ground for excommunication in the first place.

The Pope has no control over these people, who are basically outside the Church and run their own operation. He cannot remove them from office because he didn’t install them in the first place.

This pope has spent much of his life trying to build better relations with religious Jews. It’s too bad when you get a hasty reaction like this, hitting out against a friend on the word of trouble makers who are perhaps less supportive of Israel than the Pope.


2 posted on 01/28/2009 11:18:11 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: forkinsocket
This guy Williamson sounds like a genuine crackpot but his antisemitic views have been firmly disavowed and condemned by all concerned..

The Pope must not let himself be stampeded by onlookers. He has his reasons for his decision, and I trust he knows what he is doing, just as he did at Regensburg. Critic Rosen didn't get that either, but it has been a good thing with the passage of time.

3 posted on 01/28/2009 11:22:57 AM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: forkinsocket
"I think that 200,000 to 300,000 Jews died in Nazi concentration camps, but none of them in gas chambers," Williamson told the interviewer.

The nutcase Williamson probably hasn't had a single thought uninfected with anti-Semitism since he was just a wee lad.

4 posted on 01/28/2009 11:28:10 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: forkinsocket

For Catholics, the Holocaust is a matter of history, not religion. Those for whom it is a religion will have to accept that — esp. if they want to paint Christian “proselytising” as objectionable.


5 posted on 01/28/2009 11:30:50 AM PST by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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"I don't think it is my place to tell the Church precisely what to do. But Williamson should be censured in some way or forced to retract his statements. "Until that happens, we may be in contact with the Vatican on an individual level, but there will be no official meetings."

The Vatican, like Cicero said, is not involved because there's not ful reconciliation yet. Even if it were, there aren't any provisions in canon law that I'm aware of for deposing/excommunicating a bishop simply on his historical beliefs. The most that the Vatican could do would be to take exception to his remarks, which they have.

Williamson is, however, in a religious order, and his Superior has just ordered him to shut up on matters of history. So a censure has indeed been applied.

6 posted on 01/28/2009 11:36:11 AM PST by Claud
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To: Romulus
>For Catholics, the Holocaust is a matter of history, not religion. Those for whom it is a religion will have to accept that

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Williamson holds strong views regarding gender roles and dress. He opposes the wearing of trousers or shorts by women,[43][44][45] and has urged greater "manliness" in men.[44][45]

Williamson promoted conspiracy theories regarding the Kennedy assassination and the September 11 attacks, claiming that the latter were staged by the US government.[45][3][46]

Williamson has expressed controversial views about Jews. He called Jews "enemies of Christ" and urges their conversion to Catholicism.[47][48][49] He claims that Jews and Freemasons have contributed to the "changes and corruption" in the Catholic Church[50][51][52][47] He has also stated that Jews aim at world dominion[3][53] and believes The Protocols of the Elders of Zion to be authentic.[3][54] Williamson has denied that he is anti-semitic, stating that he goes against "adversaries of Our Lord Jesus Christ", that not all Jews are such, and that he also attacks other groups such as Communists and Freemasons.[3][47][48][38]

Williamson has been charged with Holocaust denial.[47][52][55][51][56] He has denied the existence of gas chambers and has claimed that not six million but 200,000 to 300,000 Jews perished in Nazi concentration camps.[17][15] Williamson has also praised Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel.[47][51][52][48]

Williamson's Wikipedia entry

7 posted on 01/28/2009 11:41:09 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: forkinsocket

The excommunication and thus the de-excommunication had nothing to do with Williamson’s nutty historical views, and the Vatican has made it clear that it is not an endorsement of those views. This reaction by the Chief Rabbi seems like a overreaction by someone who deliberately wants to distort the meaning of what the Pope did.


8 posted on 01/28/2009 11:47:17 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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To: forkinsocket

Was he reinstated as a bishop or just have the ban of excommunication lifted?


9 posted on 01/28/2009 11:50:21 AM PST by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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To: theFIRMbss

lol...Williamson is a “truther” (9/11 conspiracy nut) as well? He’s a man of many tinfoil wardrobes.


10 posted on 01/28/2009 11:51:06 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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>He opposes the wearing of trousers or shorts by women
>>He’s a man of many tinfoil wardrobes

The Jews and George Bush
are fair game, but attacking
Daisy Dukes? DAMN him!

11 posted on 01/28/2009 11:59:13 AM PST by theFIRMbss
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To: Tribune7
Willimson (Note that I use no title) was consecrated a bishop illicitly ... that means in defiance of the Pope (John Paul II), for which he was automatically excommunicated. He has never held any office of Bishop within the Catholic Church, and does not now. Three other men were, at the same time, also illicitly concecrated and consequently excommunicated, along with the (legitimate) Bishop who did the consecration. B-XVI has lifted the penalty of excommunication on all four ... it has nothing to do with Williamson personally, and everything to do with attempting reconciliation with the sane members of their traditionalist religious community. Whether Williamson himself will choose to walk the path of sanity remains to be seen.
12 posted on 01/28/2009 12:05:56 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Well said. That was what I was trying to indicate.

You can’t give the boot to someone who already walked out the door on his own perverse initiative.


13 posted on 01/28/2009 12:14:22 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: theFIRMbss
Oh ... just so you know:

Pope Benedict specifically rebuked Williamson's holocaust denial, and Bernard Fellay (leader of the group to which Williamson belongs) told Williamson to shut up.

Both rebukes are the subject of threads on this forum.

14 posted on 01/28/2009 12:15:40 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Cicero
Right. You can invite them back, however, and even open the door for them. I believe that most of SSPX and the lay folks who hang with them are sane, and will come home.

The rest ... there's just not much that can be done.

15 posted on 01/28/2009 12:19:34 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

OK, thanks


16 posted on 01/28/2009 12:27:41 PM PST by Tribune7 (Obama wants to put the same crowd that ran Fannie Mae in charge of health care)
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To: theFIRMbss

So Williamson has personal opinions on non-religious matters. What’s your point?


17 posted on 01/28/2009 12:45:04 PM PST by Romulus ("Ira enim viri iustitiam Dei non operatur")
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To: forkinsocket
Isn't this the same rabbi who led the complaints against the fact some Roman Catholic prayers ask God [GASP!] to enlighten the Jews to accept Jesus as Messiah?

Jesus Christ himself couldn't please people like this.

Come to think of it, He already tried . . . .

18 posted on 01/28/2009 12:47:51 PM PST by TaxachusettsMan
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19 posted on 01/28/2009 1:45:12 PM PST by SJackson (The American people are wise in wanting change, 2 terms is plenty, Condi Rice)
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To: Cicero

Well, I’m sure that Catholics would be suitable outraged in the following scenario:

Let’s say, after an Islamic dictator killed off half the world’s population of Catholics...

...that the Grand Mufti in Mecca then brought back into the fold an imam that said it never happened at all.


20 posted on 01/28/2009 4:03:08 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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