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Abortion Foes Warn Of Hospital Closures
See BS ^ | Jan. 28, 2009 | Brian Montopoli

Posted on 01/28/2009 4:15:36 PM PST by markomalley

On the past two Sundays, parishioners at the Holy Family Church in Nutley, New Jersey, have received a stark warning: If the Obama administration and Democratic Congress have their way, Catholic hospitals around the country will be forced to close.

The reason? A piece of legislation known as the Freedom Of Choice Act, or FOCA, that opponents believe will force hospitals and doctors to perform abortions even if they have moral opposition to doing so.

Since doctors at Catholic hospitals won't perform an abortion, the logic goes, the hospitals would have no choice but to shut their doors under FOCA rules.

Abortion rights advocates dismiss the claim, saying it is an effort to distract the public from the real abortion-related issues likely to be taken up by Congress.

But Catholic groups are now making a push to drum up opposition to FOCA, with millions of postcards being distributed in English and Spanish in churches across the country, according to Deirdre McQuade, an assistant director for policy and communications at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.

Catholic leaders are asking parishioners to sign three copies of the postcard - one for each senator and one for their representative - and then leave them with their church, which will mail the cards to Washington.

"The Freedom of Choice Act (FOCA), the most radical and divisive pro-abortion bill ever introduced in Congress, would create a 'fundamental right' to abortion that government could not limit but would have to support," the postcard reads in part. (See the full postcard here.)

Church leaders say FOCA would end requirements for parental consent, legalize partial-birth abortion and overturn so-called "conscience" protections that allow hospitals and health care providers that receive public funds to decline to perform an abortion. (The Bush administration tried to strengthen conscience protections shortly before leaving office, though President Obama ordered a halt to implementing the new guidelines until further review.)

"The [FOCA] law as it currently exists is taking that entire conscience clause away," said James Goodness, spokesman for Archdiocese of Newark. "And Catholic hospitals will not perform abortions. And if they are told they have to, hospitals are going to have to figure out what they can do."

Debate rages among legal scholars over whether FOCA, if instituted, would really overturn "conscience" protections and thus potentially mean the closures of Catholic hospitals, which make up about a third of all hospitals in the country.

According to Ted Miller, the communications director at NARAL Pro-Choice America, Maryland is among the states that have adopted FOCA-like legislation in an effort to codify abortion protections, "and you don't see Catholic hospitals closing in Maryland." But as Melinda Henneberger notes, Sen. Barbara Boxer, who introduced FOCA in the Senate, said in a statement that the legislation "supersedes any law, regulation or local ordinance that impinges on a woman's right to choose" - which could be taken as a sign that it would invalidate prior "conscience" clauses.

NARAL's Miller says FOCA isn't really the issue: It is instead "a distraction from issues around birth control and sex education for teens that could actually be considered in this Congress."

FOCA won't see passage anytime soon, he says, because according to NARAL's calculations, there are only 40 truly "pro-choice" senators in the 111th Congress and 146 "pro-choice" representatives in the 111th Congress - not nearly enough to pass the legislation.

Still, Rep. Jerrold Nadler, who introduced FOCA legislation in the House in 2007, plans to reintroduce it in the new Congress, according to his office. (An aide declined to provide a timetable, but predicted the introduction would come "sooner rather than later.")

Boxer also plans to reintroduce the legislation, the 2007 version of which is here. Her office says there is not yet a timeline on when she will do so. Mr. Obama has vowed to immediately sign the legislation if it crosses his desk.

The push by Catholic leaders around FOCA and abortion issues comes as abortion rights opponents have grown worried that they will lose ground under a Democratic Congress and president. Some Catholic leaders were harshly critical of Mr. Obama even before he was elected, dubbing him "the abortion president" and warning that he is committed to pushing an abortion rights agenda.

"The pro-abortion agenda is strong, and it has momentum now because of the pro-choice majority in Congress and also the pro-choice president," said McQuade of the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops. "There's a lot of momentum now seeking to roll back incremental gains that have been made over the last 36 years."

Last Thursday, on the 36th anniversary of the Roe V. Wade decision, tens of thousands of abortion rights opponents marched on Washington. One marcher told the Associated Press she was praying that Mr. Obama would "surprise" her on abortion.

On that very day, the president released a statement reiterating his support for abortion rights. The next day he quietly signed an executive order ending the so-called global gag rule banning federal funding for international groups that promote or perform abortions.

Polls suggest that slightly more than half the country believes that abortion should be legal in all or most cases. In the presidential election, Mr. Obama won by nine points among Catholics.

"The anti-choice side lost the election, and they lost control of Congress," said NARAL's Miller. "That means they no longer control the debate."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: 111th; abortion; agenda; bhoabortion; catholichospitals; foca; genocide; healthcare; moralabsolutes; obamahitler; prolife
Love their style guide: abortion rights, abortion foes, pro choice, anti choice...

Bleccch.


1 posted on 01/28/2009 4:15:36 PM PST by markomalley
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To: wagglebee; NYer; Coleus; narses; Pyro7480

Catholic/pro-life pings for your lists!


2 posted on 01/28/2009 4:16:40 PM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: markomalley

FOCA Obama!

Freedom of choice my posterior. It’s freedom only to accept Obama’s choice.


3 posted on 01/28/2009 4:17:53 PM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: 01/22/09 Obama hands the hope of the unborn to terrorists.)
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To: markomalley; 185JHP; 230FMJ; 50mm; 69ConvertibleFirebird; Aleighanne; Alexander Rubin; ...
Moral Absolutes Ping!

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4 posted on 01/28/2009 4:20:20 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: DoughtyOne

Gerald Nadler is a main source of CO2 emissions.


5 posted on 01/28/2009 4:21:22 PM PST by Shady (The Fairness Doctrine is ANYTHING but fair!!!!)
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To: markomalley

Just a bunch of non-human animals.


6 posted on 01/28/2009 4:21:29 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Shady

No doubt about it... ;-)


7 posted on 01/28/2009 4:22:49 PM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: 01/22/09 Obama hands the hope of the unborn to terrorists.)
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To: markomalley
"The anti-choice side lost the election, and they lost control of Congress," said NARAL's Miller. "That means they no longer control the debate."

Oh, you are so wrong. Just watch us close the hospitals and see what control we have.

8 posted on 01/28/2009 4:23:06 PM PST by BlessedBeGod (Obama's not my president, and Blagojevich is not my governor.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Close the hospitals Open private religous organizations that provide healthcare. Do not call them hosptials and do not take any federal funds. Make the organizaitons private and membership only. Screw the regulators.


9 posted on 01/28/2009 4:30:20 PM PST by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: markomalley
Here's the post card:


10 posted on 01/28/2009 4:31:33 PM PST by 50mm (Kitties are restless.)
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To: wagglebee

>> A piece of legislation known as the Freedom Of Choice Act, or FOCA, that opponents believe will force hospitals and doctors to perform abortions even if they have moral opposition to doing so.

Doctors being forced to kill? I’m not calling it murder, but it is killing. Yes, abortion kills humans - that’s a fact independent of anyone’s Faith or religious views. No doctor should be forced out of job for the refusal to kill prenatal life. This is very sad.


11 posted on 01/28/2009 4:33:16 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: Chickensoup

Sounds simplistic, but that kind of an out of the box approach is probably what is going to be needed to get things back on track.

The religious hospitals could do that overnight if they wanted to. I’ll tell you though, these organizations have less juevos than our Senate Republicans.

They allow the government to walk all over them. They are afraid.

I suggested they self-insure. Another words, sign up the public for a certain fee, then provide them services.

The insurance industry siphons off a massive amount of money each year. And while they show nice profits, the health care industry and their patients barely scrape by.

That insurance money should be either the providers, or the patients. There should not be a middle man between them, making many billions of dollars off an industry that is this stressed as it is.


12 posted on 01/28/2009 4:41:01 PM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: 01/22/09 Obama hands the hope of the unborn to terrorists.)
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To: markomalley

How can abortion clinics with no Medical Association oversight operate, yet they’ll close a hospital that refuses to perform abortions???


13 posted on 01/28/2009 4:45:13 PM PST by huldah1776 ( Worthy is the Lamb)
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To: markomalley
Churches actively getting involved in politics??? How dare they break that oldie but goodie from the Constitution "Separation of Church and state"?!?!?!?!

Prepare for the Catholic Church to lose tax exempt status in 3...2...1...



I am praying for their postcard campaign to work, the protestant churches need to do the same thing and overwhelm Congress with paper!!
14 posted on 01/28/2009 4:46:52 PM PST by pillut48 (CJ in TX --"God help us all, and God help America!!" --my new mantra for the next 4 years)
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To: BlessedBeGod

The hospitals would just be sold. They are operating almost entirely on proceeds from Medicare/Medicaid and private insurance. It’s not like the Catholic Church is funding the operations, nor can the Church afford to keep the buildings without running revenue-generating business in them.


15 posted on 01/28/2009 4:48:22 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: pillut48
Prepare for the Catholic Church to lose tax exempt status in 3...2...1...

This expresses my attitude fairly well (although I hope my spelling is a bit better):

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16 posted on 01/28/2009 4:51:06 PM PST by markomalley (Extra ecclesiam nulla salus)
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To: DoughtyOne
I dont know that they can force the Catholic Hospital to do abortions but what they can do is withhold fed. funds to the hospitals for providing these (ghastly) services.

I have had 2 hosp refuse my son services due to his severe disability.

So I take him to a private Surg center to get his teethe cleaned under anesthesia/sedation.

Never ever in his 30 yrs has he had any problems related to sedation.

The Anesthesiologist that puts him under is the Same Doc from the hospital next door that refuses service.

He just walks on over and my sons dentist comes in cleans and Son is good to go for another year.

Never had a cavity or any dental health issues other than another Doctor accidentally knocked his tooth out (his bite is that intense) with a mouth block when doing some scope work.

I warned him that if KV comes out of the sedation not to have any tools in his mouth and sure enough he had is very expensive scope down in KV bronchi area and the nurse started chatting and stopped pushing the sedation and KV chomp down but the Doc hurried to save his scope and pushed in the mouth block and crunch.

Other than that and having his wisdom teethe surgically removed.

Any way I wish the writers of these articles would explain in more detail why Catholic Hosp would have to close down.

The Feds would essentially be holding them in a Financial Hostage situation. No Abortions/No Fed funding.

17 posted on 01/28/2009 4:52:19 PM PST by Global2010 (God Will see us through. Persevere)
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To: huldah1776

“How can abortion clinics with no Medical Association oversight operate, yet they’ll close a hospital that refuses to perform abortions???”

Well, you see, it’s all in what the pregnant woman wants. It’s her rights that are paramount here. If she wants to go to a clinic without medical oversight, that is her choice. But if she wants full medical presence, that is her choice too. Either way, everyone else must do her bidding.


18 posted on 01/28/2009 4:52:23 PM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: Global2010

You’re exactly right. That’s the dynamic at work.

Slaughter babies or we’ll close you down. What kind of diabolical person could see this as proper?

My wife is the director of an organization that helps the type of person your son is. (That’s my take on it)

I’m sorry you had trouble, but it sounds like you have found a good solution to the problem.

Accept my good wishes for the both of you and your family.


19 posted on 01/28/2009 4:59:39 PM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: 01/22/09 Obama hands the hope of the unborn to terrorists.)
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To: markomalley

Unfortunately, if FOCA is passed, the bishops (threatening to close the hospitals) will cave before Obama does.


20 posted on 01/28/2009 5:11:15 PM PST by NewJerseyJoe (Rat mantra: "Facts are meaningless! You can use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!")
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To: Gene Eric
I’m not calling it murder, but it is killing. Yes, abortion kills humans

It really is hard to take a stand on this one isn't it!

Murder is defined as: The unlawful killing of one human by another, especially with premeditated malice.

Note the definition uses the word "unlawful". That means that abortion by definition is against the constitution.

Unless you no longer claim an inalienable "Right to Life"

21 posted on 01/28/2009 5:11:24 PM PST by An Old Man (Use it up, Wear it out, Make it do, or Do without.)
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To: markomalley

Imagine the negative media coverage when US Marshals are sent to arrest Bishops, clergy and administrators of Catholic hospitals who refuse to give in to this FOCA fascism. This will create a firestorm that even Lord Obama cannot weather.


22 posted on 01/28/2009 5:32:53 PM PST by The Great RJ ("Mir we bleiwen wat mir sin" or "We want to remain what we are." ..Luxembourg motto)
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To: DoughtyOne

What happened to what my parents did? If we needed to go to the Doctor- the bill was sent and paid by my parents.

It certainly kept someone from being frivolous about going to the doctor, and all 4 of us kids grew up just fine with home-medications. Pepto Bismal, Vicks, aspirin, and band-aids. Too many hypochondriacs now, with what they percieve to be unlimited “health insurance”.


23 posted on 01/28/2009 5:49:45 PM PST by ridesthemiles
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To: ridesthemiles

I don’t think I ever got the Pepto. I did get some ear drops at times. I also got some asthma meds, but back then they didn’t have much. I probably got some cough syrup too, but those things you mentioned did cover about 99.99% of it.

I still remember the Vicks treatment. I liked the smell, but I have always hated something like that rubbed on my chest. Yeeeeiiiiiik!


24 posted on 01/28/2009 5:56:59 PM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: 01/22/09 Obama hands the hope of the unborn to terrorists.)
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To: An Old Man

>> It really is hard to take a stand on this one isn’t it!

It is a simple issue in a very complicated world. It is the tragedy of our lifetime.


25 posted on 01/28/2009 6:05:51 PM PST by Gene Eric
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To: AdmSmith; Berosus; Convert from ECUSA; dervish; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Fred Nerks; justiceseeker93; ..
Catholic groups are now making a push to drum up opposition to FOCA, with millions of postcards being distributed in English and Spanish in churches across the country, according to Deirdre McQuade, an assistant director for policy and communications at the U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops.
Tom Hanks will soon be condemning them as anti-American bigots.
26 posted on 01/28/2009 6:15:30 PM PST by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/____________________ Profile updated Monday, January 12, 2009)
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To: DoughtyOne

I agree that religious organizations seem to want to get along and go along. Catholics do it in every area except reproduction

The Amish are privitized. The do not even pay SS. I would privitize and make everything religious into a membership only organization.


27 posted on 01/28/2009 6:41:59 PM PST by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: DoughtyOne

I agree that religious organizations seem to want to get along and go along. Catholics do it in every area except reproduction

The Amish are privitized. The do not even pay SS. I would privitize and make everything religious into a membership only organization.


28 posted on 01/28/2009 6:42:00 PM PST by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: Chickensoup

So our town has two hospitals, one Christian the other a state hospital. If the Christian hospital closes does that means the only treatment option I will have is to go to the one that is committing infanticide within it’s doors? I’m speaking realistically here. I don’t want to be inside of a building that is butchering the innocent. That would leave me with no moral choice for health care. Your solution would be the only solution available to people like me. The liberals would probably find a way to close those as well. Why are they so obsessed with forcing the masses to murder their children? Is it population control? Get the useless eaters to kill their own young so they don’t have to be bothered with them? Is that it?


29 posted on 01/28/2009 7:26:07 PM PST by MitziRene
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To: MitziRene

So our town has two hospitals, one Christian the other a state hospital. If the Christian hospital closes does that means the only treatment option I will have is to go to the one that is committing infanticide within it’s doors? I’m speaking realistically here. I don’t want to be inside of a building that is butchering the innocent. That would leave me with no moral choice for health care. Your solution would be the only solution available to people like me. The liberals would probably find a way to close those as well. Why are they so obsessed with forcing the masses to murder their children? Is it population control? Get the useless eaters to kill their own young so they don’t have to be bothered with them? Is that it?

No, what it means is that you will forgo your current state of affairs and join the private organization that the hospital will turn into. You will accept its limits of care and you will not have to pay tradtional health insurance, but instead pay fees to the facility.

If you are currently on some sort of government handout care, well, you have no choices. They pay they choose.


30 posted on 01/28/2009 7:36:22 PM PST by Chickensoup ("Patriotism is supporting your country all the time, and your government when it deserves it.")
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To: BlessedBeGod

I propose we introduce the Freedom of Conscience Act (FOCA) in opposition to the Freedom Of Choice Act. Maybe we can confuse the debate and get our way!


31 posted on 01/28/2009 7:49:06 PM PST by Texas Radiation
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To: markomalley
"The anti-choice side lost the election, and they lost control of Congress," said NARAL's Miller. "That means they no longer control the debate."

You don't know what you're up against, Miller. Your "anti-life" side will lose this battle.

32 posted on 01/28/2009 8:11:32 PM PST by al_c (Avoid the consequences of erudite vernacular utilized irrespective of necessity)
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To: markomalley
Pray for LIFE!

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33 posted on 01/28/2009 8:31:39 PM PST by Salvation ( †With God all things are possible.†)
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To: markomalley
Love the symbol/ graphic!!
"WHAT THE FOCA?!"
Have you seen the YouTubes on it?
34 posted on 01/28/2009 9:36:14 PM PST by MountainFlower (There but by the grace of God go I.)
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To: Chickensoup

How do you know this? Anyway, okay. I can’t stand the thought of them doing abortions in our local hospital. How can I live with that? There’s never been an abortion facility in the town I live in. Now I’m afraid it’s being hoisted upon us. I’m sickened.....again.


35 posted on 01/28/2009 9:42:59 PM PST by MitziRene
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To: Chickensoup

Catholics aren’t the only ones. The Protestant churches have veered off course as well. It’s the human condition. People loose their way and churches slip. The churches are afraid of loosing parishioners, so they modify their stances. And so it goes.

For the churches, hospitals, and religious organizations, I agree. I do want to state that those entities should be very careful to adhere to the requisite local laws regarding employment practices. I have seen some of these organizations do things that are not right, when it comes to their employees. There is special burden on these entities to live by Christ’s principles in these areas.

I don’t mean that to translate into union-like nonsense by any means though.


36 posted on 01/29/2009 10:06:46 AM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: 01/22/09 Obama hands the hope of the unborn to terrorists.)
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To: markomalley
Pinged from Terri Dailies


37 posted on 01/29/2009 4:17:23 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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