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Lawmakers seek new gun legislation: Ammo control laws
examiner.com ^ | January 27, 2009 | Jim Kouri

Posted on 01/28/2009 7:50:39 PM PST by neverdem

by Jim Kouri, Law Enforcement Examiner

"Gun control fanatics, frustrated in their attempts to impose severely restrictive regulations on the gun rights of law-abiding American citizens, apparently think that if they push severe restrictions on ammunition acquisition and possession, they'll come closer to their objective of restricting if not eliminating the individual Second Amendment civil right to keep and bear arms," says John M. Snyder, named Washington's senior gun rights activist.

With a liberal Democrat now sitting in the Oval Office and both houses of the US Congress boasting Democrat majorities, lawmakers in Washington, DC and around the country are displaying renewed interest in gun control legislation, according to sources within both law enforcement and gun owner rights communities.

"Ever since the so-called 'Beltway Sniper' case in 2001, there's been talk about not just gun registration, but ammo registration. This will make it mandatory for manufacturers of firearms ammunition to number every cartridge they make and to keep records of those cartridges," said Lt. Steven Rodgers, a cop in New Jersey.

"Can't control guns? Well, they'll control the ammunition," he added during an interview with NewswithViews.com.

While a federal law is being considered by proponents of such laws, gun owners in individual states are witnessing what's referred to as Ammunition Accountability Acts being pushed through they're state legislatures by impatient lawmakers.

Ammunition Accountability, a liberal gun control organization, has developed sample legislation to achieve its purposes and reports that versions of it have been introduced in the legislatures of Alabama, Arizona, California, Connecticut, Hawaii, Illinois, Indiana, Kentucky, Maryland, Mississippi, Missouri, New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, Tennessee and Washington, according to John Snyder.

While state legislatures differ in the wording of their proposed laws, basically they all require that any and all ammunition be encoded by the manufacturer and they will maintain a mandatory data base of all ammunition sales.

"We of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms oppose this backdoor approach to gun control," stated Snyder, an official with that gun rights group.

The sample legislation would stipulate that, “each year in the United States, more than 30 percent of all homicides that involve a gun go unsolved; handgun ammunition accounts for 80 percent of all ammunition sold in the United States; current technology for matching a bullet used in a crime to the gun that fired it has worked moderately well for years, but presupposes that the weapon was recovered by law enforcement;” and “bullet coding is a new and effective way for law enforcement to quickly identify persons of interest in gun crime investigations.”

"If this new proposed Ammo Accountability Act legislation is only another attempt to chip away at the 2nd Amendment, it is just plain wrong. Since the 2nd Amendment defines a citizens "right" to defend themselves, with a gun, it clearly does not address ammunition. What a novel way to "back door" the issue" said Josephine County, Oregon's Sheriff Gil Gilbertson.

"It is clearly no secret, many in our government would like to see America disarmed. Our government has authored books mapping out a strategy on how to do just that. Simply look back in history to see what happened after people lost their arms and ability to defend themselves," he told NewswithViews.com.

"Our government leaders slash funding in support of law enforcement throughout America, leaving our citizens more vulnerable - but on the other hand feel compelled to send hundreds of millions of dollars, each year, to enhance police in foreign Countries. Weaker law enforcement coupled with escalating crime is a receipt for disaster," said the career lawman.

Ammunition coding technology works by laser etching the back of each bullet with an alpha-numeric serial number. Then when a customer purchases a box of, for example, 9mm cartridges, the box of ammunition and the bullets’ coding numbers would be connected to the purchaser in a statewide or national database.

The code on the bullet can be read with a simple magnifying glass and then be run through a statewide or national database to determine who purchased the ammunition and where.

The rationale being used by proponents of such laws is that cartridges can be used to trace a gun owner who committed a crime such as murder or assault with a deadly weapon, according to the National Association for Gun Rights' Executive Director Dudley Brown.

< http://www.nationalgunrights.org/index.shtml >

But opponents of ammo registration laws counter that this will only increase the incidents of criminals collecting spent cartridges and depriving police of other evidence such as fingerprints on a cartridge left at the crime scene.

"NAGR's strategy is simple: make the enemies of our firearms freedoms pay for every inch. While many so-called "gun rights groups" work to curry favor with politicians and the media, NAGR is working aggressively to hold politicians accountable and to put a stop to gun control," said Brown.

At the federal level, H.R. 408 introduced by Rep. Robert Andrews (D-NJ) a new law would require firearms manufacturers to provide ballistics information on all new firearms to BATF, which would retain the information in a National Firearms Ballistics Database. Critics claim part of this bill will be used to mandate encoding ammunition, which is part and parcel of "ballistics" information.

"[Lawmakers] should ignore the media hype on the firearms issue and pay attention to what the public – their constituents – are saying on the matter,” gun rights expert John M. Snyder stated.

“According to an August poll conducted by Zogby International for Associated Television News, the American public rejects the notion that new gun control laws are needed by a two-to-one margin,” Snyder continued.

“Maybe the House of Representatives should have taken a reading of public opinion on this issue before rushing headlong without a roll call vote to pass a bill before the recess,” said Snyder, who is a firearms advisor for the National Association of Chiefs of Police. < http://www.expertclick.com/NewsReleaseWire/default.cfm?Action=ViewMyNews&NRWID=6042 >

It would provide that, after a specific date, all handgun and “assault weapon” ammunition manufactured or sold in the state shall be coded by the manufacturer, and would include a list of all calibers covered by the coding requirement. It would mandate the disposal by a certain date of all non-coded ammunition listed, whether owned by private citizens or retail outlets.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Editorial; Front Page News; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 111th; agenda; ammo; ammocoding; ammoregistration; banglist; bho2009; bho44; bhobanglist; democratcongress; democrats; gunregistration; holder; hr408; lping; obama; shallnotbeinfringed
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Jim Kouri, CPP is currently fifth vice-president of the National Association of Chiefs of Police and he's a staff writer for the New Media Alliance (thenma.org). In addition, he's the new editor for the House Conservatives Fund's weblog. Kouri also serves as political advisor for Emmy and Golden Globe winning actor Michael Moriarty.

He's former chief at a New York City housing project in Washington Heights nicknamed "Crack City" by reporters covering the drug war in the 1980s. In addition, he served as director of public safety at a New Jersey university and director of security for several major organizations. He's also served on the National Drug Task Force and trained police and security officers throughout the country. Kouri writes for many police and security magazines including Chief of Police, Police Times, The Narc Officer and others. He's a news writer for TheConservativeVoice.Com and PHXnews.com. He's also a columnist for AmericanDaily.Com, MensNewsDaily.Com, MichNews.Com, and he's syndicated by AXcessNews.Com. He's appeared as on-air commentator for over 100 TV and radio news and talk shows including Oprah, McLaughlin Report, CNN Headline News, MTV, Fox News, etc. His book Assume The Position is available at Amazon.Com. Kouri's own website is located at http://jimkouri.us

1 posted on 01/28/2009 7:50:39 PM PST by neverdem
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To: neverdem

Pretty soon they will require a chip embedded under your skin...


2 posted on 01/28/2009 7:52:31 PM PST by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: neverdem

Beltway Sniper was a Muslim and his young side kick was an illegal alien! They also may have had a “relationship” like Franklin Marshall Davis and a young dope smoker.


3 posted on 01/28/2009 7:54:46 PM PST by Frantzie
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To: bamahead

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4 posted on 01/28/2009 7:55:03 PM PST by KoRn
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To: neverdem

And so it starts.


5 posted on 01/28/2009 7:55:23 PM PST by bicyclerepair (Thank you Mr. Robinson for FR. from: Ft. Lauderdale Florida)
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To: bicyclerepair

It never ends....


6 posted on 01/28/2009 7:57:18 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tell the truth - GOEBBELIZATION (propaganda) is what many voters suffer from.....)
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To: bicyclerepair

You can still buy a smoothbore flintlock and cast your own lead balls.


7 posted on 01/28/2009 7:58:05 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Give me Liberty or give me something to aim at)
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To: bicyclerepair

Meanwhile, buy all the ammo you can - pay cash.


8 posted on 01/28/2009 7:58:40 PM PST by SisterK (building an underground economy one brick at a time)
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To: neverdem

I believe a line is being drawn in the sand...the question is? Will all the law abiding firearm owners put up or shut up. I don’t believe the law breakers care one bit.


9 posted on 01/28/2009 8:00:21 PM PST by JamesA (He who hesitates is lost.)
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To: neverdem

“It would mandate the disposal by a certain date of all non-coded ammunition listed, whether owned by private citizens or retail outlets.” Condemning private property for the government’s purposes, even to re-issue to a private party has already been approved by the federal subpreme court. We are the subjects of a federal oligarchy, so there is nothing they cannot do to We The Sheeple, until we start sending a few dozen for six.


10 posted on 01/28/2009 8:03:21 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: neverdem

I’m going to have to get over my nervousness of guns pronto.


11 posted on 01/28/2009 8:03:35 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Danae

Not before they have something planted under there skin.


12 posted on 01/28/2009 8:04:57 PM PST by servantboy777
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To: Danae
Here's an upbeat, encouraging statistic:

There are approx. 600,000 armed government agents in America.

There are approx. 60,000,000 gun owners in America.

13 posted on 01/28/2009 8:05:55 PM PST by Starfleet Command
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To: neverdem
Umm, OK, so Mr criminal uses an inertia bullet puller or even a pair of pliers to extract the bullet from the shell, files off the serial number, and pushes the bullet back into the shell. About 45 seconds to make this completely pointless in actually solving an actual murder, but that was never the point in the first place was it?
14 posted on 01/28/2009 8:08:02 PM PST by Jacob Morgan
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To: Jacob Morgan

You left out the serial number flakes in the powder. They plan to put microscopic flakes in the powder with serial numbers on them. They will spray all over the shooting site and can be retrieved to point to the batch of bullets you bought.


15 posted on 01/28/2009 8:11:54 PM PST by chuckles
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To: Starfleet Command

And it seems these creeps are just itching to start the 2nd American Revolution....

And on it goes...


16 posted on 01/28/2009 8:15:08 PM PST by Old Time American
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To: MHGinTN
It would mandate the disposal by a certain date of all non-coded ammunition listed, whether owned by private citizens or retail outlets.

I have the perfect disposal site in mind...

17 posted on 01/28/2009 8:16:48 PM PST by an amused spectator (Citizen Kenyan: Commander in The Effort Against Culturally-Influenced Misbehavior.)
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To: an amused spectator

Liberals and Rinos in Tennessee are trying to get this passed. We are the state from which a pretty good marksman matriculated for the greta war, and we have raised our share of excellent riflemen. But alas, it is a new age and liberals are taking advantage of an inattentive populace distracted with the bread and circuses liberalism spawns.


18 posted on 01/28/2009 8:19:24 PM PST by MHGinTN (Believing they cannot be deceived, they cannot be convinced when they are deceived.)
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To: mamelukesabre

“Ever since the so-called ‘Beltway Sniper’ case in 2001, there’s been talk about not just gun registration,...”

“You can still buy a smoothbore flintlock and cast your own lead balls.”

You bring up my thought that ‘gun registration’ could be thought back to our Country’s early history (of course, “Liberally” interpreted), where our Forefathers started sub assembling gun parts to thwart the British (storing same in separate areas for subsequent assembly as needed).

Or... to the Second Amendment!


19 posted on 01/28/2009 8:20:27 PM PST by This_far
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To: Old Time American
And it seems these creeps are just itching to start the 2nd American Revolution....

That's just fine with me. Because, by God, we'll *finish* it.

20 posted on 01/28/2009 8:21:12 PM PST by Starfleet Command
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To: an amused spectator

The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes the duty of every individual to obey the established government ... George Washington


21 posted on 01/28/2009 8:21:32 PM PST by yellowroses (a Yankee in Texas)
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To: skr
I’m going to have to get over my nervousness of guns pronto.

Nervous? Cars injure more people than firearms.

22 posted on 01/28/2009 8:22:37 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: neverdem
It would mandate the disposal by a certain date of all non-coded ammunition listed, whether owned by private citizens or retail outlets.

Eff that! How do you mandate The destruction of legal private property?

23 posted on 01/28/2009 8:24:29 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: KoRn; Abathar; Abcdefg; Abram; Abundy; akatel; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Alexander Rubin; ...



Libertarian ping! Click here to get added or here to be removed or post a message here!
24 posted on 01/28/2009 8:26:36 PM PST by bamahead (Few men desire liberty; most men wish only for a just master. -- Sallust)
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To: neverdem
i'm a new york city cop. what the hell is a "chief at a New York City housing project"?

that does not exist.

25 posted on 01/28/2009 8:29:25 PM PST by thefactor (yes, as a matter of fact, i DID only read the excerpt)
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To: Starfleet Command
Here's an upbeat, encouraging statistic:

There are approx. 600,000 armed government agents in America.

There are approx. 60,000,000 gun owners in America,...............40 million of which voted for Obama.

26 posted on 01/28/2009 8:29:58 PM PST by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: chuckles

>>”They plan to put microscopic flakes in the powder with serial numbers on them.”<<

Not doubting you at all. Do you have a link?

Simple solution is to pour out the powder and replace it with a like amount of powder from your shotgun shells, etc.


27 posted on 01/28/2009 8:34:00 PM PST by panaxanax (Those who beat their swords into plowshares will plow for those that don't.)
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To: panaxanax

uh, no.


28 posted on 01/28/2009 8:36:46 PM PST by bobby.223
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To: Old Time American

Yep, theyr’e just BEGGING for a fight. I say bring it to us! They WILL lose.


29 posted on 01/28/2009 8:37:36 PM PST by unixfox (The 13th Amendment Abolished Slavery, The 16th Amendment Reinstated It !)
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To: umgud
There are approx. 60,000,000 gun owners in America,

..............40 million of which voted for Obama.

That's a completely ridiculous assumption. More like 4 million, tops. And those are probably already shaking their heads, wondering what the hell just happened to make them vote for the Prince of Infanticide. Lots of buyers' remorse, and it's going to grow.

30 posted on 01/28/2009 8:39:22 PM PST by Starfleet Command
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To: Starfleet Command

AGREED!

This time we do it RIGHT!

WOLVERINES!


31 posted on 01/28/2009 8:42:35 PM PST by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!)
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To: panaxanax

Different kind of powder. Some powders can be multi-purposed, but shotshell powder has a different size/burn rate than rifle and pistol powder.


32 posted on 01/28/2009 8:43:28 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: neverdem

bttt


33 posted on 01/28/2009 8:44:03 PM PST by SuperLuminal
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To: JamesA
I agree. There is a line being drawn and I am sorry to say that when push comes to shove,I believe 90% of gun owners will fold. It seems that we have grown accustomed to barking and fear to bite. Somewhere in the last 30 years,the American citizen(male in particular) have become fearful of our own shadows. But there are a few citizens that still have a backbone, and that would be the brave men and women of our Armed Services.
34 posted on 01/28/2009 8:45:11 PM PST by odin2008 (EVIL TRUMPHS WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING)
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To: yellowroses
The very idea of the power and the right of the people to establish government presupposes* the duty of every individual to obey the established government ... George Washington

Ah, yes - then there's that ol' asterisk thingee...

*See abuses, usurpations & invariable pursuit...

35 posted on 01/28/2009 8:46:52 PM PST by an amused spectator (Citizen Kenyan: Commander in The Effort Against Culturally-Influenced Misbehavior.)
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To: Randy Larsen

More like, “Spartans! Prepare for glory!”


36 posted on 01/28/2009 8:47:13 PM PST by Dead Corpse (What would a free man do?)
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To: Starfleet Command

Those numbers are working for me.


37 posted on 01/28/2009 8:49:41 PM PST by Danae (Amerikan Unity My Ass)
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To: MHGinTN


Come get'em b**ches.
38 posted on 01/28/2009 8:49:58 PM PST by randomhero97 ("First you want to kill me, now you want to kiss me. Blow!" - Ash)
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To: neverdem
These Stupid little men/Rats are going to create a underground Ammunition market.
39 posted on 01/28/2009 8:52:03 PM PST by Cheetahcat (Osamabama the Wright kind of Racist!)
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To: Randy Larsen

40 posted on 01/28/2009 8:52:36 PM PST by Starfleet Command
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To: Starfleet Command
Here's an upbeat, encouraging statistic: There are approx. 600,000 armed government agents in America. There are approx. 60,000,000 gun owners in America.

Yeah but...

We all have our own full-time jobs. Their full-time job is training for and carrying out whatever they are told to do.

Also though we are many in number, we are spread out. They are organized and come in groups. And have lots of seriou toys and training - all paid for by our tax dollars, I might add...

41 posted on 01/28/2009 8:53:05 PM PST by Screaming_Gerbil (The light at the end of the tunnel might be an oncoming train...)
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To: skr
I’m going to have to get over my nervousness of guns pronto.

Um, does your hammer make you nervous?

42 posted on 01/28/2009 8:57:11 PM PST by Trailerpark Badass (Happiness is a choice!)
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To: Dead Corpse

I LOVE IT!

We will succumb only when OUR military turns against us!

Not likely...


43 posted on 01/28/2009 8:59:31 PM PST by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!)
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To: Screaming_Gerbil
Yeah but...

We all have our own full-time jobs. Their full-time job is training for and carrying out whatever they are told to do.

Also though we are many in number, we are spread out. They are organized and come in groups. And have lots of serious toys and training - all paid for by our tax dollars, I might add...

If only 1% of us only shoot once, and take out 1 of them, they are *all gone*.

Let that sink in. 1%, 1 shot, once. We'll never have odds that favorable to our success again.

44 posted on 01/28/2009 9:00:37 PM PST by Starfleet Command
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To: Starfleet Command

The Russians were scared to try, why would anyone else think it’s worth a try!


45 posted on 01/28/2009 9:01:38 PM PST by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!)
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To: Starfleet Command
That's a completely ridiculous assumption. More like 4 million, tops.

Actually, I was just being facetious in tagging onto another poster's comment. Having said that, I've heard there are roughly 80 million gun owners in the US. And while I can't verify that number, I'd sure guess that far more than 4 million gun owners voted for Obama. I do however, agree with you that they will soon be pretty saddened they did so.

46 posted on 01/28/2009 9:04:50 PM PST by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: neverdem

It’s too late for them to try this foolishness!

We’re already locked and ready!


47 posted on 01/28/2009 9:10:21 PM PST by Randy Larsen ( BTW, If I offend you! Please let me know, I may want to offend you again!)
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To: thefactor
i'm a new york city cop. what the hell is a "chief at a New York City housing project"?

that does not exist.

It did. On his Web site, Rudy Giuliani claims that he grew New York City's police force by 12,000 officers between his inauguration as mayor in January 1994 and mid-2000. That's just not true. Most of the cops he's counting – 7,100 to be exact – were already housing or transit police who were simply folded into the New York Police Department. The merger of the departments didn't increase the number of police in the city at all.

48 posted on 01/28/2009 9:20:39 PM PST by neverdem (Xin loi minh oi)
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To: Frantzie

The beltway sniper also fired his weapon from a concealed position, as in the trunk of a car. I doubt he had to use too much effort to pickup his spent brass.


49 posted on 01/28/2009 9:23:25 PM PST by BBell
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To: Randy Larsen
The Russians were scared to try, why would anyone else think it’s worth a try!

The Russians may be a lot of things, but "stupid" ain't one of them. On the other hand, have you ever gotten an up-close look at the Obama supporters? If being stupid is a virtue, these people are saints. They aspire to double digit IQs.

They will not show the restraint or wisdom that the USSR did. Think Zimbabwe, not Moscow. Remember, Obama isn't a seasoned general or a successful achiever. He's just a narcissist commie lawyer burnout, and Pelosi/Schumer/Reid are no better. They are communist ideologues who genuinely believe that they must serve humanity by ruling it with an iron fist. And they are stupid and evil enough to get their proxies and zombies to try to disarm the only people who stand in their way: Us.


50 posted on 01/28/2009 9:23:32 PM PST by Starfleet Command
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