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US Surrenders Educational Institutions To Islamic Radicals
The Bulletin ^ | January 30, 2009 | Herb Denenberg

Posted on 01/30/2009 10:03:07 AM PST by jazusamo

There’s growing evidence that America may be meeting its educational Waterloo and that our educational system is being captured by radical Islamists. As Robert Spencer put it so well in his classic book, The Stealth Jihad, radical Islam is subverting America without guns or bombs.

The radical Islamists have scored dramatic victories in determining what students are taught in America about Islam, and we don’t even seem to know what is happening. The radical Islamists have managed a massive penetration of our educational system that teaches everyone from the youngest students all the way up to students at our colleges and universities.

Here is what the radical Islamists are doing at all educational levels, according to Mr. Spencer:

“Of all the arenas in which the stealth jihad is advancing, one of the most crucial is in our schools, where stealth jihadists have found a welcoming environment among teachers deeply steeped in the credo of multiculturalism. With the mandate of ‘tolerance’ robbing many educators of their ability to evaluate non-Western cultures critically, teachers are highly susceptible to an organized campaign by U.S.-based Islamic organizations and their primary benefactors, Saudi Arabia, to present a view of Islam that whitewashes its violent history and intolerant religious imperatives.”


In other words, if you can’t evaluate other cultures and decide whether our culture is better, you’re hardly in a position to defend your own culture against the rising tide of its enemies, including the radical Islamists also known as islamofascists.

You can’t effectively defend your culture if you think all cultures are pretty much the same.

The radical Islamist have launched a two-pronged assault on our educational system at the pre-college level:

1. In Islamic academies in America, with teaching materials from Saudi Arabia and other sources, the academies indoctrinate unequivocal hatred toward non-Muslims, and deep suspicion of our Western values.

2. The opposite approach is taken in our mainstream schools. U.S.-based Islamic groups place lesson plans and other educational materials that are about the opposite of the antagonistic materials placed in Islamic academies. In the mainstream public schools this is what Mr. Spencer says takes place: Islamic instruction “presents a picture of Islam that is so pristine and peaceful that it sometimes crosses the boundary from mere pro-Muslim bias to outright Islamic proselytizing.

So the radical Islamists are not only indoctrinating young students but may well be on the road to converting them to Islam.


The findings of a study released in June 2008 by the American Textbook Council, an independent national research organization that evaluates the quality of textbooks, finds where we are now with educational materials used in our schools. Mr. Spencer says here is what it found about what ten of the most widely used middle school and high school social studies textbooks teach. They “present an incomplete and confected view of Islam that misrepresents its foundations and challenges to international security.” Mr. Spencer writes, “The report found that the books present highly tendentious constructions as undisputed truth, making common cause with West-hating multiculturalists to bowdlerize the presentation of Islam, denigrate or downplay Christianity and Western civilization, and transform many public school textbooks into proselytizing tracts.”

Incredible as that is, even more incredible is that this tendency has only intensified since 9/11.

California seventh graders use a text that defines jihad as follows: “Muslims should fulfill jihad with the heart, tongue and hand. Muslims use the heart in their struggle to resist evil. The tongue may convince others to take up worthy causes, such as funding medical research. Hands may perform good works and correct wrongs.”

Mr. Spencer writes, “It gives no idea that Muslims have ever viewed jihad as involving, in whole or part, warfare against unbelievers, or have ever waged war on that basis. Muhammad, meanwhile, far from exhorting his followers to subjugate unbelievers, ‘taught equality’ and was a prototypical compassionate liberal who instructs Muslims ‘to share their wealth and to care for the less fortunate in our society.’”

In other words, this is classic Orwellian inversion of the false into the true. What’s even worse, the Textbook Council found, “While seventh-grade textbooks describe Islam in glowing language, they portray Christianity in harsh light. Students encounter a startling contrast. Islam is featured as a model of interfaith tolerance; Christians wage wars of aggression and kill Jews. Islam provides models of harmony and civilization. Anti-Semitism, the Inquisition, and wars of religion bespot the Christian record.”

Mr. Spencer asks whether publicly-funded schools and even private schools should be allowed to teach doctrines that flatly contradict the Constitution, as Sharia does? Should our students be taught to remove all obstacles to the spread and dominance of Islam? Should students be indoctrinated with an anti-Christian and anti-American bias?

It’s time these questions are studied, discussed, and acted on by an informed citizenry. Otherwise, we stand to lose our culture and America, as we know it. We are in the process of surrendering our children and our nation to radical Islam and we seem to be unaware of what is happening.

If that’s not disheartening enough, I’ve told only half the story of what is going on in our educational system — only at the pre-college level. Our colleges and universities are also going down the tubes and are being turned into centers of anti-Americanism, indoctrination of students to favor Islam, and placing thought and debate on this subject in an ideological straitjacket favoring Islam.

Our colleges and universities have abandoned their function and are now in the business of radical Islamic propagandizing. Here is what universities are supposed to do, according to a University of California at Berkeley’s Academic Personnel Manual. This section was inserted by President Robert Gordon Sproul in 1934.

But don’t be encouraged by what has been called a ringing affirmation of the commitment of the university to education, not propaganda. The universities are now in the business of propaganda, of brain washing, and indoctrination. It is no accident that this ringing affirmation of the true function of the university has been removed from its academic manual, as of 2003:

“The function of the university is to seek and to transmit knowledge and to train students in the processes whereby truth is made known. To convert, or to make converts, is alien and hostile to this dispassionate duty. Where it becomes necessary in performing this function of a university, to consider political, social, or sectarian movements, they are dissected and examined, not taught, and the conclusion left with no tipping of the scales, to the logic of facts.”

What goes on at our colleges and universities can be communicated in a case study of Professor Omid Safi, who should be called Propagandist for Radical Islam Safi. One of his assignments given students called for critical reports on Islamophobes, neo-cons, Western triumphalists, etc. included on a long list that named some of our greatest scholars and most distinguished authors such as Bernard Lewis, considered the West’s greatest authority on Islam, Samuel Huntington, Alan Bloom, Leo Strauss, Bat Yeor, Patricia Crone, William Bennett, William Kristol, Charles Krauthammer, and many others.

Notice that Professor Safi labeled these people as Islamophobes or some other pejorative term to put them in the worst possible light. This is not teaching, but indoctrination, brain washing, and propagandizing. It is certainly not conducive to freedom of thought.

Would students evaluate these people on their own merits knowing that the professor is harshly condemning their work? Would a student say Bernard Lewis is a great scholar and his work represents some of the most important scholarship on Islam?

This is not a list of people to be evaluated on their merits. It is the professor’s enemies list and students are likely to write accordingly. You don’t get an A by proving your professor is a fool even if he is.

Professor Safi has abandoned all the traditional professorial ideal of pursuit of the truth, and is in the business of propaganda and thought control. He should have been fired immediately. So what happened?

He was teaching at Colgate, but his propagandizing soon meant he had a position at a more prestigious university, the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill. Yes, our universities have come to that – academic promotions for propagandizing professors who have abandoned all the principles on which university education should be based.

Mr. Spencer says Professor Safi may not be a stealth jihadist, but he is certainly serving the cause of the stealth jihadists: “Professors who prevent their students from learning about Islam in an objective manner, and those like Safi who place an ideological straightjacket on their students, are performing a valuable service for the stealth jihad.

For in this manner Professor Safi signaled to students that any investigation of Islamic supemacism, violent or non-violent, would be classed as ‘Islamophobia,’ ‘unrepentant Orientalism,’ ‘Western triumphalism,’ and even ‘neo-conservatism’ — all the worst epithets in today’s academy.”

Professor Safi is all too typical of the propaganda professors and political agitators who have taken over many university departments and who are facilitating the programs of the stealth jihadists.

Professor Safi joined a whole team of like-minded people at the University of North Carolina. The school was in the news in 2002 when incoming freshmen were assigned a book on the Quran that focused only on passages that suggest relative tolerance and mutual coexistence between Muslims and nonbelievers. However, the doctrines of jihad and dhimmitude (second-class citizenship for nonbelievers), which mainstream Islamic scholars say supersede the more tolerant passages are not included in the book. So the passages that have proven so oppressive and even fatal to Christians Jews, and other non-Muslims throughout history are not in the book.

A North Carolina professor produced that sanitized version of the Quran. Another wrote a book, which said any criticism of Islam, was based on Jungian projection, i.e., the critics are projecting their negative characteristics onto others. Mr. Spencer asks whether 9/11 and a long list of other Islamic atrocities were somehow imaginary and merely projected onto the Islamists by critics.

The distorted thinking at the University of North Carolina is also illustrated by an experience Mr. Spencer had after speaking there on the threat of the stealth jihad. A University of North Carolina professor wrote a paper on Mr. Spencer’s appearance. That professor did not and perhaps could not challenge what Mr. Spencer said on the merits. So he said Mr. Spencer’s books were published by conservative publishing companies and were non-scholarly.

This shows how universities such as North Carolina have become propaganda mills, not true universities. The professor could not discuss Mr. Spencer’s ideas on the merits. He could only point out that they were published by a company that may be on the wrong side of the ideological fence.

North Carolina makes a perfect case study for another reason. That’s because on March 3, 2006, a 22-year old Iranian student drove his SUV onto the North Carolina campus and tried to kill people. He did injure nine people. After the incident, the student was pleased with himself and said he was “thankful for the opportunity to spread the will of Allah.”

In a letter, he explained why he set out to murder the residents of Chapel Hill “by running them over with my automobile and stabbing them with a knife if the opportunities are presented to me by Allah.” In the letter he says he is just “a servant of Allah.” He justifies his acts by saying in the Koran “Allah states that the believing men and women have permission to murder anyone responsible for the killing of other believing men and women … After extensive contemplation and reflection, I have made the decision to exercise the right of violent retaliation that Allah has given me to the fullest extent to which I am capable at present.”

He said further, “Allah’s commandments are never to be questioned and all of Allah’s commandments must be obeyed. Those who violate Allah’s commandments and purposefully follow human fabrication and falsehood as their religion will burn in fire for eternity in accordance with Allah’s will.”

Mr. Spencer says this tragedy might have been averted if the North Carolina professors would have stopped denying the jihadist ideology and the Islamic supremacism found in the Koran and elsewhere, and called on local Muslim groups “to develop comprehensive programs teaching against the jihadist ideology and Islamic supremacism.” If the North Carolina professors had acted as professors instead of propagandists for jihadists the tragedy might have been prevented.

To understand how this is all happening, Mr. Spencer says follow the money. Saudis and others have been pouring Islamic money into our colleges and universities to buy up professors and departments to propagate their propaganda lines. Elite institutions, such as Harvard, Columbia, and Georgetown have demonstrated they are for sale, and have been sold to these anti-American, pro-jihadist forces. Our universities have become intellectual houses of prostitution for sale to any high bidder.

For more details on what is going on, you should read Mr. Spencer’s book,  Stealth Jihad. You will be shocked to the core, and also be shocked into realizing it is late in the game, and we better act now if we want to protect our nation, our culture, our freedoms, and our security.

Mr. Spencer says some of our first steps is to discard the politically correct orthodoxy that values “tolerance” of non-Western cultures above any objective search for truth.”

He says we are so far gone in the blindness of political correctness that “The mere suggestion that the jihadists’ hatred for us is rooted in the Qur’an [Koran] and other fundamental Islamic texts is simply not tolerated in academia. As a result, many American citizens as well as policy makers continue to cast about in vain for a way to satisfy our enemies’ grievances.” One such deluded policymaker is Barrack Hussein Obama who wants to talk to Iran and sweet talk them out of their firmly engraved objectives and ideologies.

Unless he is the Messiah the mainstream media claim he is, I can assure him his talking cure for terrorism and genocide is a waste of time and will simply give Iran more time to build a nuclear bomb.

Herb Denenberg is a former Pennsylvania Insurance Commissioner, Pennsylvania Public Utility Commissioner, and professor at the Wharton School. He is a longtime Philadelphia journalist and  consumer advocate. He is also a member of the Institute of Medicine of the National Academy of the Sciences. His column appears daily in The Bulletin. You can reach him at advocate@thebulletin.us.


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1 posted on 01/30/2009 10:03:08 AM PST by jazusamo
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To: jazusamo

Islam is the tool of destruction and death forces


2 posted on 01/30/2009 10:05:09 AM PST by yldstrk (My heros have always been cowboys--Reagan and Bush)
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To: jazusamo

US surrendered the White House to Islamic Radicals.


3 posted on 01/30/2009 10:05:58 AM PST by SolidWood (www.sarahpac.com / Sarah Palin 2012)
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To: jazusamo

bttt


4 posted on 01/30/2009 10:08:12 AM PST by TEXOKIE (Anarchy IS the strategy of the forces of darkness!)
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To: jazusamo

i m a publik scewl teechur. I question myself everyday. It is heartbreaking. I became an educator because I love educating. I did not become a teacher for June, July and August. I don’t know what to do.


5 posted on 01/30/2009 10:08:38 AM PST by goodwithagun (My gun has killed less people than Ted Kennedy's car.)
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To: jazusamo
reason 7,654,321 to home school
6 posted on 01/30/2009 10:09:15 AM PST by Kimmers (Working hard so Obamas friends don't have to)
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To: jazusamo
"Unless he is the Messiah the mainstream media claim he is, I can assure him his talking cure for terrorism and genocide is a waste of time and will simply give Iran more time to build a nuclear bomb."

The "talking cure" would, however, be the perfect tactic for an anti-messiah, to bring about the destruction of many.

7 posted on 01/30/2009 10:09:57 AM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: SolidWood

And before that, Bush allowed the Islamists to penetrate our institutions, which is done with Saudi/Gulf money, through organizations like CAIR and ISNA, with the help of the US State Department.


8 posted on 01/30/2009 10:11:06 AM PST by Boiling Pots (Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious)
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To: Kimmers

More reason to have another civil war!


9 posted on 01/30/2009 10:11:32 AM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (Conservatives obey the rules. Leftists cheat. Who probably has the political advantage?)
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To: jazusamo

I watched a program on “The History Channel” a couple of days ago. It was about the crusades. It was so anti-Christian and pro Islam that I had to turn it off in just a few minutes.

One phrase stuck in my mind. “The Crusaders were trying to steal Jerusalem from the Moslems”.

Pure unadulterated garbage.


10 posted on 01/30/2009 10:12:42 AM PST by yarddog
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To: jazusamo

We may also eventually need the help of Kenya’s military on this. They successfully overturned the same thing in Somalia.


11 posted on 01/30/2009 10:13:54 AM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (Conservatives obey the rules. Leftists cheat. Who probably has the political advantage?)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore
We may also eventually need the help of Kenya’s military on this. They successfully overturned the same thing in Somalia.

I think that was Ethiopia that took out the Somali Islamist government.

12 posted on 01/30/2009 10:14:41 AM PST by Citizen Blade ("A Conservative Government is an organized hypocrisy" -Benjamin Disraeli)
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To: johnthebaptistmoore

Oops! I actually mean Ethiopia’s military.


13 posted on 01/30/2009 10:15:22 AM PST by johnthebaptistmoore (Conservatives obey the rules. Leftists cheat. Who probably has the political advantage?)
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To: jazusamo
In the mainstream public schools...Islamic instruction “presents a picture of Islam that is so pristine and peaceful that it sometimes crosses the boundary from mere pro-Muslim bias to outright Islamic proselytizing.

Islam proselytized by teachers who most likely are religion-despising atheists. But because Islamics are the enemies of Western civilization, the liberal teachers view this as an "enemy of my enemy is my friend" situation, oblivious to the fact that if the "pristine and peaceful" Islamics ever gained sufficient power they'd gut the teachers' union like a fish. ...literally. Leftists hate America more than they fear Islam.

14 posted on 01/30/2009 10:16:52 AM PST by Mr. Mojo
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To: yarddog

> “The Crusaders were trying to steal Jerusalem from the Moslems”.

The first Christians were Jews living in first century Jerusalem, 500 years before the pirate, polygamist, pedophile Mahomet was born.


15 posted on 01/30/2009 10:17:37 AM PST by Westbrook (Having more children does not divide your love, it multiplies it.)
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To: jazusamo

Islam at the college level isn’t surprising. Hundreds of millions of Arab dollars are flowing into our universities in the form of gifts, grants and contracts. High-level universities are establishing satellite campuses (campi?) in the UAE. Of course they aren’t going to bite the hand that feeds them.


16 posted on 01/30/2009 10:17:37 AM PST by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things)
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To: jazusamo

In related news there are over 4000 college professors who have pledged to support Ayers.

http://www.supportbillayers.org


17 posted on 01/30/2009 10:17:54 AM PST by bgill
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To: goodwithagun

It’s a shame our public schools are in the shape they’re in. It’s been over sixty years since I started school but can still remember many fine teachers, our kids had some but fewer. My daughter has home schooled her three and they can think for themselves and haven’t been indoctrinated. The oldest will start college shortly and I’m anxious to see how she’ll handle lib profs.


18 posted on 01/30/2009 10:19:47 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

The word system, as in educational system, implies that it is something that can be controlled and manipulated from a central location. This is central to understanding what the subversives are attempting.

Where are the parents in mitigating the damage being done by the nonsense being taught in our schools? I have three children, ages 5 through 16, who all could recite the Pledge of Allegiance before getting to school age; they understand that not all points of view are good or valid; they understand that America actually has a culture of our own built on liberty and personal endeavor; they understand that States are supposed to be sovereign and why; and they understand that socialism and communism are bad (and why).

Turn off the television, get off the couch, and teach your children!


19 posted on 01/30/2009 10:19:55 AM PST by ronnyquest ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: yarddog

So much of the programming is now garbage that used to be educational, we watch very little on the tube.


20 posted on 01/30/2009 10:22:16 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: jazusamo

We lost the public education system beginning back in the early 40’s when the Marxist began to take it over.


21 posted on 01/30/2009 10:22:17 AM PST by cva66snipe ($.01 The current difference between the DEM's and GOP as well as their combined worth to this nation)
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To: jazusamo

The death cult expands ...........


22 posted on 01/30/2009 10:22:54 AM PST by Jackknife (Chuck Norris grinds his coffee with his teeth, and boils his water with his rage)
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To: Mr. Mojo
Islamics ever gained sufficient power they'd gut the teachers' union like a fish. ...literally. Leftists hate America more than they fear Islam.

Exactly, plus I believe many are too ignorant to know they'd be some of the first to go.

23 posted on 01/30/2009 10:25:25 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: ronnyquest
Turn off the television, get off the couch, and teach your children!

Well said...For parents who can't home school they should at least do that.

24 posted on 01/30/2009 10:29:19 AM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: Kimmers

I deal with their parents. Most of them aren’t qualified to drive, much less teach their kids.

Reason #1 not to home school.

The public school system needs to be de-politicized. (Just like a lot of other once stalwart institutions do)


25 posted on 01/30/2009 10:34:09 AM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: jazusamo
I'm a realist. Not everyone can nor should home school their children. We are all teachers, however, whether we admit it or not.

I have two in-laws who are teachers. Every time we meet up it's a de-indoctrination session for them at their own behest. The NEA and local policy has totally undermined their ability to "teach," replacing that with a bunch of feel-good nonsense designed to turn our children into sheep. At the root of it is this farce called "multiculturism."

America has a culture of our own. We are Americans! Teach that to our children.

26 posted on 01/30/2009 11:02:57 AM PST by ronnyquest ("Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not." -- Thomas Jefferson)
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To: jazusamo; metmom; wintertime; TigersEye
I got sick of what was being taught to my child & I now home school. Sassy had a few good teachers but as she was advancing in grades I knew I didn't like what I was seeing taught in her school. Her health was the main issue & now she isn't sick all the time. I saw teachers when my older children were in school that weren't fit to be teachers. In fact some of the teachers I had in high school were still there & still hungover. I may not have teaching skills but we are learning quite a bit & I feel my child is safer home & getting a better education.
27 posted on 01/30/2009 11:11:48 AM PST by pandoraou812 (Don't play leapfrog with a unicorn! ...........^............)
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To: Boiling Pots

No kidding.

The SaudiGravyTrain was and is much too lucrative to allow for derailment. Notwithstanding the carnage and bloodspilling the Saudi Theocracy is responsible for.

Spencer’s site is a must read. It’s simply amazing that some of the incidents he cites don’t make it onto the nightly tawdry murdercrime fests on TV. They’re certainly horrific enough with the frisson of family and sex issues to qualify.

But there seems to be a particularly effective blackout on such happenings.


28 posted on 01/30/2009 11:21:34 AM PST by swarthyguy ("We may be crazy in Pakistan, but not completely out of our minds," ISI Gen. Ahmed Shujaa Pasha)
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To: Gabz; SoftballMominVA

ping


29 posted on 01/30/2009 11:35:38 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: DaveLoneRanger; 2Jedismom; aberaussie; Aggie Mama; agrace; AlmaKing; Anima Mundi; Antoninus; ...

ANOTHER REASON TO HOMESCHOOL

This ping list is for the “other” articles of interest to homeschoolers about education and public school. This can occasionally be a fairly high volume list. The main Homeschool Ping List handles the homeschool-specific articles. I hold both the Homeschool Ping List and the Another Reason to Homeschool Ping list. Please freepmail me to let me know if you would like to be added to or removed from either list, or both.
30 posted on 01/30/2009 11:36:57 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: 2Jedismom; aberaussie; adopt4Christ; Aggie Mama; agrace; AlmaKing; Anima Mundi; AngieGal; ...

FYI, ping for those not on the *Another Reason* list.

This is well worth seeing for cultural and survival of America reasons alone.


31 posted on 01/30/2009 11:38:53 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: knighthawk; Alouette; wagglebee; little jeremiah; indcons

ping


32 posted on 01/30/2009 11:39:58 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: jazusamo
My daughter has home schooled her three and they can think for themselves and haven’t been indoctrinated. The oldest will start college shortly and I’m anxious to see how she’ll handle lib profs.

Probably just fine since they can think for themselves.

My two oldest are in big (name) universities and have not had the rabidly leftist professors that we so often hear about, but then again, they are computer majors.

The few that spout some leftist drivel, they just roll their eyes about, and ignore.

33 posted on 01/30/2009 11:44:48 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RinaseaofDs; pandoraou812

ping to post 27.

Pandy has a good point.

Having a teaching degree doesn’t automatically qualify one to teach. They are just ordinary folks who pursued a teaching degree, who also make up many parents who are not qualified to teach.

And there are plenty of parents who are more than capable of teaching who chose not to.


34 posted on 01/30/2009 11:48:50 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: jazusamo

I am a publik skool graduate and a student at a public university. I’ve seen too many liberal profs in school and subtle Islamic influences in college. BUT I haven’t lost my brain cells (I am still a FReeper ;-) ) and I know BS when I hear it. The problem is, so many kids don’t and they readily buy into this crap. There are soooo many 0bama-worshippers on campus....it’s kinda scary, really.


35 posted on 01/30/2009 11:49:45 AM PST by G8 Diplomat (The Middle East: We put the OIL in TURMOIL!)
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To: metmom

Yes, I believe they’ll do okay. Our daughter and son did fine with the libs in college and they weren’t homeschooled. Our son had spent four years in the Army before college and he kind of pressed his conservative views which didn’t go over too well with some of the leftist profs. lol


36 posted on 01/30/2009 12:11:57 PM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: metmom

Practically speaking, home schooling isn’t a viable alternative to public schooling. That simple. Either two incomes are needed to keep the family going, or one/both parents don’t have the educational background necessary to teach above third grade level, let alone middle school.


37 posted on 01/30/2009 12:12:11 PM PST by RinaseaofDs
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To: G8 Diplomat
and I know BS when I hear it. The problem is, so many kids don’t and they readily buy into this crap.

Therein lies the problem with leftist profs, there's too many kids and young adults that are gullible.

38 posted on 01/30/2009 12:15:53 PM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: metmom

Thanks for the ping, Metmom. This is one of the main reasons I thank God everyday for the ability to homeschool my children. Between the Socialist agenda, and the Anti-Christian religious indoctrination in our schools I don’t see how any children - except those of very involved, and concerned Conservatives who have the time to counter these things on a daily basis - have any chance of graduating with true critical thinking skills, or graduating without being totally brainwashed.


39 posted on 01/30/2009 12:22:36 PM PST by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ Pro-Palin & NObama Gear : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: goodwithagun

Are there any Conservative Teachers’ Activism groups you could join? Perhaps working with other Conservative teachers across the country would allow you all to trade ideas of how to fight against these things in your own classrooms, and school districts. I have no idea if these already exist (I would think they do), but this may be something to consider.

The liberals have the Teachers’ Union, and I know that within the union getting your voice heard would be hard. But, if we take a page from the Socialists’ playbook, and teachers start taking action on a “grassroots” level it may help. I’m pretty sure that at least in the more rural school districts you may find yourselves with grateful parents ready to back you up as well...

Again, I don’t know how feasible this would be, but I just thought I’d throw this out there for you to consider...

I’ll be praying for you - as I do all teachers, everyday. I just can’t imagine your frustration!


40 posted on 01/30/2009 12:28:22 PM PST by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ Pro-Palin & NObama Gear : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: RinaseaofDs; adopt4Christ
Practically speaking, home schooling isn’t a viable alternative to public schooling.

Certainly it is. It's being done very successfully by hundreds of thousands of families with millions of kids each year across this country. The test results confirm its success.

Either two incomes are needed to keep the family going,

Both irrelevant points.

Most two income families I know live way beyond what they need. I know of none which HAVE to have two incomes to make it.

or one/both parents don’t have the educational background necessary to teach above third grade level, let alone middle school.

Which indicates an abject failure on the part of the public education system to adequately educate the kids going through it. Any person who's successfully been through high school should be capable of teaching what they learned.

And an education degree means squat.

My best friend and my s-i-l both have degrees in education and both told me that it did not teach them how to teach or do anything to make them better teachers. As a matter of fact, my best friend said that she would have been better prepared to teach high school math had she been able to get a math degree, the quality of the math education courses was so low. And she graduated from a SUNY school that specializes in education.

You also neglect to factor in that parents are capable of learning as they teach thier children.

Homeschooling worked great in this country for centuries. No reason it can't now.

41 posted on 01/30/2009 12:35:14 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: jazusamo
1. In Islamic academies in America, with teaching materials from Saudi Arabia and other sources, the academies indoctrinate unequivocal hatred toward non-Muslims, and deep suspicion of our Western values.

There have been calls to "privatize" education, and give parents tax credits or government subsidies to send their children to private schools. Just be aware that if we do that, this is an example of where some of that money will be going.

42 posted on 01/30/2009 12:36:11 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom

And an education degree means squat. <<<<<<<< HEAR Here !!!!


43 posted on 01/30/2009 12:41:31 PM PST by litehaus (A memory tooooo long)
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To: knighthawk

Crush islam Ping


44 posted on 01/30/2009 12:43:07 PM PST by EdReform (The right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be infringed *NRA*JPFO*SAF*GOA*SAS*CCRKBA)
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To: tacticalogic
There have been calls to "privatize" education, and give parents tax credits or government subsidies to send their children to private schools. Just be aware that if we do that, this is an example of where some of that money will be going.

It's already going there. You need to keep up.

So you're opposed to educational choice for parents? That parents would have any say in where their tax dollars went and how they were used?

45 posted on 01/30/2009 12:44:43 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: jazusamo

Denenberg bookmarked for later.

Thanks for posting.


46 posted on 01/30/2009 12:45:18 PM PST by Canedawg (Lincoln freed the slaves, BO will free the terrorists. "Unity of purpose" my a- -, Mr.POS)
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To: ronnyquest; Mr. Mojo
At the root of it is this farce called "multiculturism." (ronnyquest)

Leftists hate America more than they fear Islam. ( Mr.Mojo)

The true root is Marxism. Marxism is what drives multiculturism. If the Marxists, disguised and dressed up in the multiculutrist costume, can destroy and devalue our culture, then the Marxists win.

Marxism is our nation's **most** serious threat. Schools are the Marxists **most** important weapon!

So?...Are conservatives even aware of the threat or the true enemy? NO! Most aren't.

And....The few conservatives who are vaguely aware of the treat **wrongly** think that government schools can be reformed. They can't!

Government schools from their very inception in the mid nineteenth century were conceived by, and promoted by SOCIALISTS! The goal of government schooling from the very beginning was to turn the American people into pliable SHEEPLE! It is impossible to reform what has never been broken!

GOVERNMENT SCHOOLING MUST BE TOTALLY SHUT DOWN!

Yes, I am shouting. Conservatives are in a somnolent stupor.

By the way, Mr. Mojo, it is time we called the enemy by their true name. The are Marxists and Communists. They hate America and they want it destroyed.

47 posted on 01/30/2009 12:46:18 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: RinaseaofDs
I guess you see the worst and I have seen the best....
48 posted on 01/30/2009 12:47:33 PM PST by Kimmers (Working hard so Obamas friends don't have to)
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To: tacticalogic; metmom
There have been calls to "privatize" education, and give parents tax credits or government subsidies to send their children to private schools. Just be aware that if we do that, this is an example of where some of that money will be going.

This is an immigration and **crime** problem!

If Islam is a threat to our nation than we should ***IMMEDIATELY*** work to stop all immigration of Muslims into the nation! Fomenting rebellion and promoting terrorism is a **CRIME**! It should be treated as such, and threatening organizations need to be infiltrated by appropriate and legal police agents.

Attempting to use public education policy to control the Islamic threat is like using a water pistol to put out a raging forest fire.

49 posted on 01/30/2009 12:52:26 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: jazusamo

Another great post from Denenberg. I love that man. Thanks, Jaz!


50 posted on 01/30/2009 12:56:34 PM PST by Albion Wilde ("Praise and worship" is my alternate lifestyle.)
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