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US Surrenders Educational Institutions To Islamic Radicals
The Bulletin ^ | January 30, 2009 | Herb Denenberg

Posted on 01/30/2009 10:03:07 AM PST by jazusamo

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To: RinaseaofDs; metmom
I’d say that graduation and literacy has at least as much to do with parents as it does with schools.
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99% of the real learning happens in the **home**. What the school is doing is sending home a curriculum for good parents and diligent students to follow.

The real learning happens around the kitchen table or at the child's desk at home. Another word for homework (and all the other educational activities responsible parents do), is “afterschooling”.

If the home study habits of academically successful institutionalized and homeschooled children were carefully studied they would be found to be **identical**! Academically successful children ( homeschooled and institutionalized) and their parents are doing the **same** thing!

In the successful homeschooled family it is called “homeschooling”. In the successful institutionalized child's home it is called “afterschooling” or “homework”.

I have previously posted and will now again post:

**ALL** academically successful children are homeschooled. If children are institutionalized for their schooling this homeschooling is known as “afterschooling”. The only thing institutional schools do is send home a curriculum for the child and parent to follow!

61 posted on 01/30/2009 3:01:34 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: RinaseaofDs

I highly disagree with you. Do you realize that you sound like a pompous lib looking down your “I’m better” nose at us “average” homeschoolers who are just too dumb to teach?

Anyway, let’s suppose you are right.

What in the world makes you think that the far left is going to let ANYONE UNpoliticize THEIR schools?


62 posted on 01/30/2009 3:08:10 PM PST by TruthConquers (Delendae sunt publici scholae)
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To: dervish; All

Thanks for posting the link to those articles. It looks like there’s a wealth of information, I hope other will bookmark your link.


63 posted on 01/30/2009 3:14:33 PM PST by jazusamo (But there really is no free lunch, except in the world of political rhetoric,.: Thomas Sowell)
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To: dervish; jazusamo; metmom
If we don’t take back our schools this country is finished.
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“Take back” is the wrong approach for K-12 government schools. They must be shut down.

Government K-12 schooling from its very beginning in the mid and late 19th century was designed to produce **socialists**!!!

Conservatives must start conservative educational foundations that will award grants to conservative teachers willing to open tuition-free one room school houses, mini-schools, and homeschool cooperatives. The conservative foundations can certify the teacher, approve the curriculum, and test the students.

As for our colleges and universities, conservatives must join together to effect change by:

1) Opening new conservative colleges and universities.

2) Pooling our donations so that we can donate in large collective blocks. Any money donated must have big fat conservative strings attached.

3) Send large numbers of graduates of conservative one room school houses, mini-schools, and homeschool cooperatives to college who are **well prepared** to defend their faith, capitalism, the Constitutional, and limited government. Together as a group these young conservatives can defend their principles and put the Marxist professors to shame!

4) Fight the college and university bias in the courts as needed.

By the way, we must get government out of the sports business. Many communities defend their government schools primarily because of their attachment to their government team. These sports programs must be privatized or moved to the county parks and recreations departments. ( Privatizing would be better.)

64 posted on 01/30/2009 3:14:51 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: TruthConquers; RinaseaofDs

SAT/ACT homeschoolers:
http://www.hslda.org/docs/news/hslda/200105070.asp

Standardized test scores homeschoolers:
http://www.hslda.org/docs/nche/000010/200410250.asp


65 posted on 01/30/2009 3:47:58 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: RinaseaofDs
I agree, I could see where it could be a disaster....

My kids are done with school but I know I would have been a poor home school teacher for my kids but husband would have been wonderful.

I lived in an area with educated parents doing a great job homeschooling their children....

66 posted on 01/30/2009 3:58:24 PM PST by Kimmers (Working hard so Obamas friends don't have to)
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To: metmom
So you're opposed to educational choice for parents? That parents would have any say in where their tax dollars went and how they were used?

I'm opposed to jumping on board any bandwagon without considering the possible unintended consequences. And I'm opposed to any proposition that can only be defended on the terms you've chosen.

67 posted on 01/30/2009 4:22:24 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: wintertime
If Islam is a threat to our nation than we should ***IMMEDIATELY*** work to stop all immigration of Muslims into the nation! Fomenting rebellion and promoting terrorism is a **CRIME**! It should be treated as such, and threatening organizations need to be infiltrated by appropriate and legal police agents.

We should, but I don't see that happening any time soon under the current administration.

68 posted on 01/30/2009 4:24:41 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
I'm opposed to jumping on board any bandwagon without considering the possible unintended consequences.

You think that home educating kids is something new? What do you think happened for likely millions of kids before the public indoctrination centers were established?

And I'm opposed to any proposition that can only be defended on the terms you've chosen.

What does that mean? That you oppose parents selecting their children's curriculum?

Instead of tax credits or any kind of vouchers, they should make school a pay as you go proposition. I paid way less in curriculum costs for my three kids per year than I do in school taxes each year.

69 posted on 01/30/2009 4:45:28 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tacticalogic
I'm opposed to jumping on board any bandwagon without considering the possible unintended consequences.

Look at the statistics. Homeschoolers by far out perform public school kids. Colleges and universities actively seek out homeschool students and usually have a home school liaison for dealing with getting them processed since many don't have typical public school documentation.

The only consequences are a more literate, socially adjusted, well balanced group of young people entering society and the workforce. Kids who worry about more important things than breaking a nail or curling their eyelashes. They're not slaves to fashion or peer pressure.

70 posted on 01/30/2009 4:49:32 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
Instead of tax credits or any kind of vouchers, they should make school a pay as you go proposition. I paid way less in curriculum costs for my three kids per year than I do in school taxes each year.

What happens if they don't want to pay, and don't care if their kids get an education or not?

71 posted on 01/30/2009 5:54:10 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom
The only consequences are a more literate, socially adjusted, well balanced group of young people entering society and the workforce.

I don't believe that's the only possible consequence, and the only possible outcome.

72 posted on 01/30/2009 5:55:52 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic; metmom
What happens if they don't want to pay, and don't care if their kids get an education or not?

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What happens when the government school principals fail to educate ( or even refuse to educate) children? We have thousands of functionally illiterate children being passed from grade to grade and even graduating every year!

On average, the average American woman can be expected to have 2.1 children. If each adult in this nation educates 1.05 children then they have done their duty to society.

I personally have home educated 3 children. We are also assisting our childen in the education of our grandchildren. Personally, I think my husband and I should be exempt from **all** further government school indoctrination taxes, and be given a refund for all school taxes paid in our lifetimes.

73 posted on 01/30/2009 6:35:23 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime

If you’re trying to convince me it won’t be any worse if we just let them run feral in the streets, it’s not working.


74 posted on 01/30/2009 6:37:31 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
We should, but I don't see that happening any time soon under the current administration.
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If Islam in our nation is a problem ( in the form of terrorism, cultural decline, or crime) then we need to end Muslim immigration and treat crime as a crime.

Attempting to use government schools a means to combat terrorism, social discord, or crime, is using a water pistol to put out a forest fire.

Call in the FBI, the CIA, and state and local police! Don't send in a teacher to do a he-man’s job.

75 posted on 01/30/2009 6:39:26 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime
If Islam in our nation is a problem ( in the form of terrorism, cultural decline, or crime) then we need to end Muslim immigration and treat crime as a crime.

I agree. I just don't believe the current administration will do it. Do you?

76 posted on 01/30/2009 6:44:46 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic; metmom
If you’re trying to convince me it won’t be any worse if we just let them run feral in the streets, it’s not working.
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My brother ( a retired engineer) recently retired from teaching. He was a math and science teacher in an inner city East Coast city school.

The kids are already feral. The government schools are designed for children of **functional** families and are utterly incapable of educating these kids.

Yet....When it comes to schools that use innovative approaches to reaching these “feral” kids ( Charters like KIPP and similar voucher schools) the teachers unions fight them at every turn.

By the way, it is my opinion that government schools do NOT teach children from functional families either! What these government schools are doing is sending home a curriculum for the parents and kids to follow. The **real** learning happens at home at the kitchen table. The **real** teaching and learning is due to the child and parents’ “afterschooling”.

**ALL** academically successful children are homeschooled. If they are institutionalized for their schooling then the parents and children are homeschooling in the form of “afterschooling”.

77 posted on 01/30/2009 6:47:47 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: tacticalogic

. Do you?
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No. And....It is absurd to think that any school policy will fix a terrorism, social dysfunction, and crime problem.


78 posted on 01/30/2009 6:50:09 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are NOT stupid)
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To: wintertime

If you’re trying to convince me it won’t be any worse if we just let them run feral in the streets, it’s not working. I’m going to need more than some unattributed anecdotes from an anonymouse poster on an internet chat forum.


79 posted on 01/30/2009 6:50:57 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: wintertime
No. And....It is absurd to think that any school policy will fix a terrorism, social dysfunction, and crime problem.

Is it absurd to think that if the Islamists are here, and we tell them to take their kids out of school and take their tax money to set up whatever kind of school they want, they won't take that money and use it to turn them into little jihadis?

80 posted on 01/30/2009 6:53:51 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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