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Reports Cast Octuplets' Mother in Less-Flattering Light
Fox News ^ | January 30, 2009

Posted on 01/30/2009 1:13:03 PM PST by Zakeet

Reports are circulating that cast an unflattering light on the miracle mom who gave birth to octuplets in California Monday.

CBS News reported Friday that the mother of eight newborns, who already had six children, filed for bankruptcy and abandoned her home less than two years ago. She hasn't been identified publicly yet, though CBS News described her as a woman in her 30s who lives with her parents.

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Britain's Sun newspaper reported that the mother works in a fertility clinic. The grandmother said she had multiple embryos implanted last year and declined to abort any of them.

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KEYWORDS: healthcare; motherhood; octuplets; welfare
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Also in the article: Unmarried 33 year old Iraqi -- children's father took off for Iraq "to earn money for his growing family."
1 posted on 01/30/2009 1:13:04 PM PST by Zakeet
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To: Zakeet

Who cares. She has nothing to do with anything.

Tabloid journalism!


2 posted on 01/30/2009 1:14:32 PM PST by Tublecane
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To: Tublecane

Err, there’s a pretty good chance you and me and the rest of the country are going to end up supporting those 14 kids.

There is also the issue of the doctor or hospital that administered the fertility drugs when the woman already had six children.

There are many other questions as well. This is a legit news story.


3 posted on 01/30/2009 1:17:41 PM PST by JennysCool (Internet Powerhouse)
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To: Zakeet

Yahoo was running a story today along the lines of “scientists say human body is not designed for a ‘litter’ of children.

I wonder what kind of report about what the body is not designed for will be run during Gay Pride week? (sarcasm)


4 posted on 01/30/2009 1:17:56 PM PST by cvq3842
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To: Zakeet

I think it said the woman’s father returned to Iraq.


5 posted on 01/30/2009 1:18:11 PM PST by ElayneJ
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To: Zakeet

“children’s father took off for Iraq “to earn money for his growing family.”

Probably went back to get another wife, for another 14 kids!


6 posted on 01/30/2009 1:19:10 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ("Don't touch that thing! I'm a doctor, and I won't touch that thing!)
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To: cvq3842

Always use the right tool for the job.


7 posted on 01/30/2009 1:20:32 PM PST by a fool in paradise (Obama thinks spending tax $ on abortions in Mexico helps more than controlling illegal immigration)
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To: Zakeet

There are virtually no reliable facts coming out about this. It is apparently the grandfather, not the father, who is planning to work as a contractor in Iraq (per all reports except a summary line in the heading of one Fox article, the text of which was unclear as to whose husband was reportedly planning to work in Iraq). Only a few sources are repeating the claim that he is a native of Iraq. At least one source quotes him talking to a reporter in fluent-sounding English (at least as it comes across in print) and identifying himself as “Ed” — not exactly a typical Iraqi name.

We really don’t know much of anything about this woman or her family situation. Even reports that she is single seem to be based only on a random neighbor or two saying they’ve never seen her with anyone who looked like a husband or boyfriend. Maybe her husband/boyfriend/whatever is working in Iraq, either with our armed services or as a contractor. That’s as likely an explanation for the lack of a visible husband/father, as “she’s single”. It’s a little hard to picture a single woman undertaking any kind of fertility treatments to add to an existing brood of 6.

There’s got to be a LOT more to this story than we’re hearing.


8 posted on 01/30/2009 1:21:59 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Zakeet

Not the children’s father, the woman’s father.


9 posted on 01/30/2009 1:22:25 PM PST by abigailsmybaby (Always carry a flagon of whiskey in case of snakebite and furthermore always carry a small snake.)
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To: Zakeet
Even though it's not against the law to have as many kids as you want....


10 posted on 01/30/2009 1:22:41 PM PST by Dallas59 (Not My President)
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To: Zakeet
CBS News reported that the woman's father is Iraqi and is heading back to his native country to earn money for the growing family.

That would be the babies grandfather is returning to his native Iraq.

And this story quotes a report from a British paper that the woman worked in a fertility clinic. This clinic has some questions to answer.

11 posted on 01/30/2009 1:22:52 PM PST by grasshopper2
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To: cvq3842

There is a definite anti-life slant at play in this article.


12 posted on 01/30/2009 1:23:01 PM PST by BenLurkin (Mornie` utulie`. Mornie` alantie`.)
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To: cvq3842
You'll never find Yahoo.com criticizing homosexuals, but "breeders" ~ there's this crowd who seem to believe their most vital interests are served through regulating the reproductive habits and/or capacity of others.
13 posted on 01/30/2009 1:23:17 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Dr. Bogus Pachysandra

Or fled, upon learning that his brood of 6 was about to become 14. But most reports are saying that it’s the grandfather who is going to work in Iraq.


14 posted on 01/30/2009 1:23:21 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: a fool in paradise

OK.....I almost spit diet coke all over my monitor.....lol!!!


15 posted on 01/30/2009 1:24:49 PM PST by Magnolia
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To: grasshopper2
And this story quotes a report from a British paper that the woman worked in a fertility clinic. This clinic has some questions to answer.

Who knows? Perhaps the real story is that she was stealing fertility drugs from the clinic, and using them without the clinic's knowledge.

16 posted on 01/30/2009 1:25:29 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Zakeet

Ann Coulter should send the mother an autographed copy of “Guilty.”


17 posted on 01/30/2009 1:25:52 PM PST by lonestar
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To: Zakeet

Why is this woman having embryos implanted when she already has six children she cannot afford to raise? Why is a doctor agreeing to do it? This makes no sense.


18 posted on 01/30/2009 1:27:44 PM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Good point.


19 posted on 01/30/2009 1:29:48 PM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Zakeet

***Also in the article: Unmarried 33 year old Iraqi — children’s father took off for Iraq “to earn money for his growing family.”***

Rewrite - this is what I read:
*****CBS News reported that the woman’s father is Iraqi and is heading back to his native country to earn money for the growing family.*****

Of course,the FOX caption asked: “Happy Home or BABY FACTORY?”

I was expecting to read that this female employee and the fertility clinic were producing babies for sale to women whose fertility treatment was unsuccessful.


20 posted on 01/30/2009 1:30:09 PM PST by sodpoodle
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To: Zakeet

Works in a fertility clinic. Whoa. An inside job, embezzling gametes.
Hey maybe she was smuggling them out and...oops!


21 posted on 01/30/2009 1:30:34 PM PST by 668 - Neighbor of the Beast (American Revolution II, overdue.)
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To: BenLurkin
There is a definite anti-life slant at play in this article.

I don't see that. I see a stupid slant that both the mother and clinic have taken leave of their senses if she , the mother of six, received "help" to become pregnant.

22 posted on 01/30/2009 1:30:50 PM PST by lonestar
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Perhaps the real story is that she was stealing fertility drugs from the clinic

I think that is quite likely and may explain why she is being secretive.

23 posted on 01/30/2009 1:31:34 PM PST by grasshopper2
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To: Zakeet
- children's father took off for Iraq "to earn money for his growing family."

Wonder what sort of work the father or grandfather does, going back to Iraq presumably to earn more than he could in the US. Most move in the opposite direction to increase their earning potential.

24 posted on 01/30/2009 1:32:38 PM PST by Will88
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To: Dallas59

As long as you’re not robbing my family to support the kids, have at it.


25 posted on 01/30/2009 1:35:58 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: lonestar

Certainly after 6, the couple should have left any more blessings in God’s hands.


26 posted on 01/30/2009 1:36:46 PM PST by MrB (The 0bamanation: Marxism, Infanticide, Appeasement, Depression, Thuggery, and Censorship)
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To: muawiyah
You'll never find Yahoo.com criticizing homosexuals, but "breeders" ~ there's this crowd who seem to believe their most vital interests are served through regulating the reproductive habits and/or capacity of others.

Very true. But, ironically, we can trace the modern-day acceptance of homosexuality and "same-sex marriage" to heterosexual couples using surrogates or implanted seed from strangers. Of course, I don't know the whole story in this woman's case. Who knows how reliable the sources for this article are?

27 posted on 01/30/2009 1:38:01 PM PST by Tired of Taxes (Dad, I will always think of you.)
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To: Will88
Wonder what sort of work the father or grandfather does, going back to Iraq presumably to earn more than he could in the US. Most move in the opposite direction to increase their earning potential.

If he works for an American company doing contract work with the US gov't, he's probably earning a load of hazard pay and getting a lot more $$ than our soldiers get.

28 posted on 01/30/2009 1:47:21 PM PST by Tamar1973 (Riding the Korean Wave, one Bae Yong Joon drama at a time!)
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To: JennysCool

Guess she wanted to out do Jon and Kate + 8!~ Next a tv show with all sorts of sponsor support. Maybe we should boycott sponsors of those shows?
Kids are wonderful but in today’s society, how will this couple support 14 kids and some of the little ones may have health issues..good lord..and they have twins I think..wonder if they did the fertility thing before. At least the Duggers with some 18 kids are self supporting though they are featured on TV and I suppose get some $$ from that too.


29 posted on 01/30/2009 1:51:08 PM PST by celtic gal
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To: GovernmentShrinker
"identifying himself as “Ed” — not exactly a typical Iraqi name. "

Good point!
That would be "Ed Suleman"...a fine old Irish name indeed.

30 posted on 01/30/2009 1:57:37 PM PST by norton
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To: Zakeet

So now they are saying she worked at a fertility clinic and had embryos implanted?

I never knew employees of fertility clinics got to take samples home.

Wonder how she managed to “work” with 6 kids under age 7 already at home.

Something is bizarre about this whole situation.


31 posted on 01/30/2009 1:57:43 PM PST by silverleaf (Fasten your seat belts- it's going to be a BUMPY ride.)
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To: norton

Whatever he is, he apparently isn’t some traditional Iraqi Muslim. Having an adult daughter (possibly single) living with her parents, working at a fertility clinic AFTER having 6 children (who knows how?) and taking fertility drugs to produce more, wouldn’t jive with that. Of course, it doesn’t jive with ANYTHING . . .


32 posted on 01/30/2009 2:01:25 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: silverleaf

This is one of those situations where saying “there must be more to the story” is a mind-boggling understatement.


33 posted on 01/30/2009 2:02:21 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Tired of Taxes
I don't know the whole story in this woman's case. Who knows how reliable the sources for this article are?

If the mother had octuplets naturally, I'd give her a partial pass -- she just got extremely unlucky with another pregnancy (although after six kids she should have used some reliable method of birth control). And as long as those fourteen kids did not become a burden on taxpayers, I'd say that it was her problem and nobody else's business.

But the reality is likely to be far different. The odds of having octuplets without fertility drugs are virtually zero. No reputable doctor or clinic would administer fertility drugs to a woman who already had six kids, so she probably stole the drugs and self-medicated.

Indeed, every possible scenario involving fertility drugs points to this woman as being monstously irresponsible. And if she's that irresponsible about something as important as conceiving children, then it's not surprising if she has also been irresponsible about other life decisions and financial matters.

"Reports Cast Octuplets' Mother in Less-Flattering Light" is probably the understatement of 2009.

34 posted on 01/30/2009 2:02:24 PM PST by dpwiener
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To: JennysCool

Note: We do not actually know that any doctor administered fertility drugs or provided any form of fertility treatment to this woman. If she worked at a fertility clinic (even as a cleaning lady), she could easily have stolen drugs, and if she took quantities that are normally intended only for IVF (IOW that can cause large numbers of eggs to mature simultaneously), and then got pregnant either naturally or by self-insemination with some donor’s sperm, she could have pulled off this bizarre stunt without anyone’s knowledge.


35 posted on 01/30/2009 2:06:37 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: dpwiener

Most reputable clinics would probably agree to provide fertility drugs to a woman who already had six children, but they would not participate in an insemination (and would strongly counsel against doing it the natural way) when ultrasounds and blood tests showed a large number of eggs maturing, nor would they transfer more than a couple of embryos in an IVF procedure.

It’s really not a doctor’s or clinic’s business to decide a woman shouldn’t have more children, unless they have knowledge that the children she already has are not being properly cared for. But it IS their business not to aid and abet procedures that pose a huge medical risk to both the mother and babies. However, there’s not a whole lot they can do about it if a client is counseled in advance that a stimulated IUI cycle must be cancelled if too many eggs mature, and the idiot woman still goes home and does the deed with her husband/boyfriend or inseminates herself with some random donor’s sperm. They can’t hold women prisoner to prevent them from doing something stupid and dangerous.


36 posted on 01/30/2009 2:14:25 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: silverleaf
I'm very pro-life, but a few things trouble me about this story.
Why in the world would she want to have 8 (!) embryos implanted in her when she already has six young children? And if it was done through Kaiser, why would they recommend this sort of thing? The mother obviously has no problems getting pregnant in the normal fashion. What's the deal here? Why the need for fertility treatments like this?

Another question- who's going to pay the hundreds of thousands of dollars for the many weeks these premature babies spend in intensive care? I certainly hope the taxpayers will not get stuck with the bill?
37 posted on 01/30/2009 2:16:28 PM PST by Deo volente (High Noon, January 20, 2009: Our long national nightmare begins.)
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To: GovernmentShrinker

That’s possible; we’ll know soon because an investigation is in progress.


38 posted on 01/30/2009 2:29:51 PM PST by JennysCool (Internet Powerhouse)
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To: JennysCool

” ...you and me and the rest of the country are going to end up supporting those 14 kids.”

Think they’re in the UK where socialized medicine is already in place


39 posted on 01/30/2009 2:33:57 PM PST by EDINVA
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To: JennysCool

I’m glad to hear there’s some investigation. Where did you hear that? Is it a law enforcement investigation? Or the ASRM or SART (self-regulatory bodies for assisted reportductive tech)? Or CPS?


40 posted on 01/30/2009 2:34:54 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Zakeet

It has also been reported that she is receiving welfare and who do you think is paying the $100,000 (or more) for delivering those babies? That doesn’t include the charges for the babies to stay in the hospital until they are well enough to be released!


41 posted on 01/30/2009 2:42:38 PM PST by kcvl
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To: GovernmentShrinker
Most reputable clinics would probably agree to provide fertility drugs to a woman who already had six children

Why would a woman with six children under the age of nine, including one set of twins, need fertility drugs?

And what kind of physician would prescribe and/or administer such chemicals?

42 posted on 01/30/2009 2:46:14 PM PST by Zakeet (Socialism is like prohibition, it's a good idea but it won't work.)
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To: dpwiener

Someone posited the theory that she was loading up on fertility drugs so she could sell her eggs for money, but she happened to go bang somebody and got pregnant before the eggs could be harvested.


43 posted on 01/30/2009 2:47:51 PM PST by Lizavetta
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To: EDINVA

She gave birth in California.


44 posted on 01/30/2009 2:52:17 PM PST by mplsconservative
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To: GovernmentShrinker

The scenario that she was taking fertility drugs on her own, without a doctor’s supervision, is the only one that makes sense to me. If she did indeed work at a fertility clinic, she would have access to fertility drugs.

There isn’t a doctor stepping forward, taking responsibility for this pregnancy. The HMO that delivered the octuplets, Kaiser, does not provide IVF services. Kaiser claims that she came to them at 12 weeks gestation.

It would have been so unethical for a doctor to implant 8 embryo. Especially in a woman who is not infertile! (6 other children!!) It also would have been unethical for a doctor to do an IUI (artificial insemination) without an ultrasound to monitor how many eggs have been produced. If there are too many eggs, the doctor should not have gone through with the insemination.

It would have had to been a real quack of a doctor to be involved in a situation like this, with a woman who was not infertile. For that reason your scenario that she was taking the drugs unmonitored by a doctor makes more sense to me.

Jeannine


45 posted on 01/30/2009 3:02:48 PM PST by jeannineinsd
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To: Zakeet

CBS is reporting the father is the father of the woman who gave birth. It’s Grandpa and he is a native Iraqi.


46 posted on 01/30/2009 3:04:13 PM PST by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: GovernmentShrinker

Too busy to look around now. Just scan the approximately 1,000 octuplet threads. It’s there somewhere.


47 posted on 01/30/2009 3:08:10 PM PST by JennysCool (Internet Powerhouse)
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To: Dallas59
Even though it's not against the law to have as many kids as you want....

Isn't there a law against littering?

48 posted on 01/30/2009 3:09:47 PM PST by Ole Okie
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To: jeannineinsd

It’s also possible that she was taking the drugs with monitoring, but then refused to comply with doctors’ instructions to avoid any kind of insemination due to the large number of maturing eggs. There’s also a tiny possibility that this is some freak embryo-splitting situation. There was a case reported last year of identical triplets born via IVF. If I recall the details correctly, the clinic had transferred two embryos, one didn’t stick, and the other was a mischievous little thing that split in 3! Theoretically, it’s possible that two embryos transferred (the max that would be reasonable for a woman in her early 30s with recently proven fertility) could have gone crazy splitting — one into the six boys and the other into the two girls.


49 posted on 01/30/2009 3:10:38 PM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah

What?! Oh, this story just gets stranger by the minute.


50 posted on 01/30/2009 3:11:08 PM PST by mplsconservative
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