Skip to comments.HSUS Launches Onslaught Against Dog Owners
Posted on 01/30/2009 2:06:45 PM PST by eaglerock814
HSUS Off To Fast Start In 2009, But Dog Owners Triumph In VA And MT
Beware Bills Introduced In NJ, NY, ME, FL, MN, IL, CA, CO, VA, MT, RI And CT - Expect more In TX, MA, WI, MI, IN, OH, OK, AZ And NM
by JOHN YATES American Sporting Dog Alliance http://www.americansportingdogalliance.org firstname.lastname@example.org
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Dog owners will face unprecedented and potentially devastating challenges in 2009, and it will take dedication and commitment to protect our rights. Sitting on the sidelines simply is not an option. It will take standing up and making your voice count.
The radical Humane Society of the United States (HSUS), buoyed by the victories of 95% of the state and federal candidates it endorsed in the November general election, has struck quickly in 2009 with legislation in 12 states that would severely restrict the rights of dog owners. Our sources also tell us that HSUS-anointed legislation will be introduced shortly in at least nine more states.
HSUS has launched this full-court press in only three weeks, and dog owners must act quickly and decisively or they will be overwhelmed.
However, there is some good news. This week, dog owners won the first two rounds in Virginia and Montana with the sound defeat of mandatory spay/neuter and breed-specific legislation.
In Virginia, HSUS and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals were strongly in support of Senate Bill 1151, which would have mandated the spaying or neutering of any dog taken to an animal shelter for a second time. The legislation was killed this week by the Senate Agriculture, Conservation and Natural Resources Committee by an 8-6 vote.
This bill would have had a strong impact on hunting dogs, especially, and would have opened the door to many animal rights group kidnappings of hunting and companion dogs. Animal rights group kidnappings are becoming more common, and their goal is to take dogs to distant animal shelters were they will be euthanized.
In Montana, HSUS attempted to ram through breed-specific legislation after its usual media bombardment of inflammatory news stories, but it was killed in committee by a 17-1 vote after a reported 150 dog owners attended a hearing to voice opposition. Only three people spoke in favor of the bill.
While breed-specific legislation most often is seen as about pit bulls, many local ordinances have extended it to several other breeds ranging from Rottweilers to German shepherds. Moreover, the American Sporting Dog Alliance is concerned about this kind of legislation because we see hunting breeds as next on the list of HSUS targets. Animal rights group websites frequently and falsely portray hunting dogs as vicious, some states are seriously considering banning or restricting hunting with hounds, and all hunting breeds were targeted specifically in failed federal legislation just two years ago.
HSUS-inspired legislation introduced in 10 other states would affect all people who raise dogs. Those states are New York, New Jersey, Maine, Florida, Minnesota, Colorado, Illinois and California. Legislation also will be introduced soon in Texas, Massachusetts, Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan, Indiana, Oklahoma, New Mexico and Arizona.
In late breaking developments, Rhode Island Sen. John J. Tassoni Jr. (D-Smithfield) introduced a bill this week that would prohibit tethering a dog outdoors, unless protection is offered by a dog house or building. However, some ambiguity in the use of defined terms in Senate Bill 23 could be interpreted as prohibiting outdoor kenneling of any kind. Two bills also were introduced in Connecticut that appear to ban tethering. SB 122 was sponsored by Sen. Edith Prague (D-Columbia) and HB 5798 was sponsored by Rep. Diana Urban (D-Stonington).
The American Sporting Dog Alliance is taking an active and aggressive role to defeat this legislation, which takes aim at people who raise dogs as an avocation and reflects the HSUS agenda of working toward the complete elimination of domestic animal ownership in America. We are urging dog owners to join with us to work to defeat this dangerous legislation.
Please follow this link to read the full report and a synopsis of the legislation that has been introduced in each state: http://eaglerock814.proboards107.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=general&thread=16 .
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Please pardon my ignorance. What is HSUS?
Humane Society of the United States
“Animal rights group kidnappings are becoming more common, and their goal is to take dogs to distant animal shelters were they will be euthanized.”
So - Animal Rights is actually about the animal’s right to be euthanized?
Can someone explain this?
“.......reflects the HSUS agenda of working toward the complete elimination of domestic animal ownership in America.”
Elimination of domestic animal ownership??? Is that really what their goal is?
> In Virginia, HSUS and People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals were strongly in support of Senate Bill 1151, which would have mandated the spaying or neutering of any dog taken to an animal shelter for a second time.
As a responsible dog owner, I would be in full support of such a measure. Unless you are a proper breeder with proper breeding facilities, your dogs should be spayed/neutered as a matter of course.
Much ado about nothing.
So, should I be worried that a member of our family (he happens to be a schnauzer) will be made off with in the night? That is, assuming he doesn't tear out the throat of the moron trying to do it.
What's the point in this?
Anybody tries to dognap my pup, they can expect a hail of lead...very quick!!!
I’m a responsible dog owner. My Border Collie won’t neutered until he is one, and maybe not then. Neutering a male changes when the bone growth plates stop growing at 8-10 months. Neutering before then may contribute to hip problems.
Also, some males become more timid after neutering. I’ve owned unneutered males who were never bred.
We had a situation here (WI) a few years ago where a Peta-like organization dognapped a German Shorthair (I think that was the breed) right out of his fenced yeard because it was snowing. As I remember the dog also had access to shelter.
Anyhow, these jerks dognapped the dog, had it neutered and sold it out of state “for its safety”. The dog died of complications from the surgery.
The owners testified that the dog had not been out long and that he enjoyed the snow. (I know mine does.)
I don’t know whether it’s pertinent, but the woman behind this bizarre incident had been the state chair for the Ross Perot campaign in 1992.
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>>Unless you are a proper breeder with proper breeding facilities, your dogs should be spayed/neutered as a matter of course.<<
I agree. However, what the background of this crap is all about is to eliminate small breeders. Suzy up the street who gets a teacup poodle and breeds it to make up some cash.
What would be a better idea is to spay/neuter any animal without papers or license. My Minnie is an AKC Papillon. She is spayed because we thought about a litter but wanted her to remain a puppy in our eyes. When she got to be full grown, we realized that although she held AKC papers, there was NO way she was a purebreed. She is bigger, and has the personality and long nose of a terrier. Understanding that her Sire is registered as a drawer number, we know now that there was a sperm mix up. Better not to breed her and make any more for a bit of cash.
But I am more in favor of our rights not being stepped on or taken away. I have three precious little dogs that are members of our family and there had better not ever be a law that outlaws me having them!!!
> Im a responsible dog owner. My Border Collie wont neutered until he is one, and maybe not then. Neutering a male changes when the bone growth plates stop growing at 8-10 months. Neutering before then may contribute to hip problems.
My German Shepherds neuter on a similar schedule and basis, for similar reasons.
> Also, some males become more timid after neutering. Ive owned unneutered males who were never bred.
For a Border Collie I wouldn’t have thought you’d want a particularly aggressive dog: they’re smart enough to get into plenty of mischief as it is. They’re lovely dogs and would be my personal favorites after German Shepherds. Never yet owned a Border Collie, maybe one day.
And these nutbags call us crazy?! I notice Missouri was not on the list (so far), but we do have a lot of animal rights activists in the state. I was not aware this sort of thing was happening. My neighbors have german shephards, boxers, and rottweilers (sp); I’ll have to let them know.
Well, that sort of thing is why I have the Remington 870 and a few boxes of slugs.
German short haired pointer, probably. Beautiful dogs, but they do have very short hair. It sounds as if some reactionary types saw that dog out in the snow and thought it was animal abuse...unless the owners actually were neglecting the dog. German short haired pointers, vizslas, and weimaraners are related dogs that do fine running like mad in the snow, but if they’re left outside at subzero temps for extended periods, the result is not good.
I don’t even buy the city tag “required” to own a dog where I live, and it’s only $2/yr. I do, of course, keep up her rabies and other shots.
I agree. It's not as if the bill is going to allow the Humane Society into people's homes to confiscate dogs. If a dog arrives at a shelter for a SECOND time, then something is wrong. I have a male weim and also a female golden/husky mix that we adopted from the Humane Society shelter. She was spayed very young, before we adopted her at ten weeks. That seemed very young to me. We waited a year to neuter the male weim for some reasons already stated in this thread.
The animal rights commies tried sneaking this tho=rough a hearing in Massachusetts several months ago. At the beginning of the hearing the legislative committee looked around the room at the dog breeding/owner mob. They shelved the idea indefinitely. Anger and mobs got their attention.
I do. I live in a place that has too many stray dogs and feral cats. For me, the matter is not so much ideological as it is practical. My dogs are both spayed/neutered, vaccinated, and registered. There were times during these dogs' lives that I cut down hard on my own food to make sure they were healthy and well cared for.
I agree they should spay and neuter the first time!!! Stop with the half measures!
“As a responsible dog owner, I would be in full support of such a measure. Unless you are a proper breeder with proper breeding facilities, your dogs should be spayed/neutered as a matter of course.”
They already spay/neuter at out local shelter and at the Pet Smart. I think it’s a good thing myself. Colorado is generally a pretty good state for pets as opposed to where I was raised.
I would say it was more one wacko group saying something bad about another wacko group. Have my doubts as to whether are not it is true.
Spay PETA; neuter HSUS: don’t allow uncontrolled breeding.
I love you !
Border Collies are fine dogs, but typically are shy by nature. About half the folks I’ve talked to say neutering has no impact, and about half say it makes them more shy. My male is pretty shy already.
They are fine dogs. A good one can make a fine pet if you have time to be with them. They do terrible if left at home alone. If you ever get serious about getting one, read up here: http://www.bordercollie.org/core.html
We thought about getting a GSD, but missed our previous Border Collie. My pound mutt is part German Shepherd.
My dog is a total house dog. She is walked on leash for an hour or so each morning, and has a good workout playing with the other dogs at our very nice little town’s doggie park, which is tax payer supported, every late afternoon.
I see “show” dogs and cats get preferential treatment. How typical of liberals to do this.
“All animals are equal, but some are more equal than others.”
How do you define legitimate breeding? What is a purebred dog?
My Border Collie is purebred & registered with ABCA - NOT the AKC. There are registries that will register any dog for cash. How do YOU decide what a purebred dog is?
I had a Border Collie/German Shepherd mix as my first dog. I had half a dozen people ask if they could get a puppy from him, because he was such a wonderful dog. I never bred him, but who are you to tell me that it would be wrong?
As a former breeder & exhibitor, I have to say that on the surface this is reasonable. Yes, most of the dogs we sold had enforcible neuter agreements written into the contracts, the exceptions being to other known breeders and involving show/breeding quality animals.
That said, I have known, and known of other, breeders who had valuable animals stolen and then later ended up in shelters. Pre-chipping, it was devasting to some breeding programs.
The way this would work is that the animals are 'released' by the activist scum, then get picked up. Second time, mandatory spay/neuter.
People breeding their dogs for people who want them. I love mixed breeds, I love all dogs. I wasn't being snobby with my comment. I was referring to people who don't take enough care of their pets that they let them have litter after litter who end up being killed, abandoned or taken to shelters. There are too many people who are so lax about their pets they don't stop litter after litter of dogs (and cats) that are unwanted. To me that is just cruel.
PETA, last I looked was run by a woman; HSUS by a man.
Don’t want any more baby orgs like’m running loose, do you?
> Oh, are you ever naive!
It’s been a while since I’ve been called naive. The last time was by somebody — like you — who disagreed with me.
> As a former breeder & exhibitor, I have to say that on the surface this is reasonable.
Because it is.
> That said, I have known, and known of other, breeders who had valuable animals stolen and then later ended up in shelters.
No excuse. As a former breeder and exhibitor you should know better. Nobody should ever be able to get anywhere near your animals. What do you do — keep free-range dogs or something? Here in NZ breeders keep them in proper kennels. Valuable breeding animals and their litters they keep under lock-and-key with alarms and the whole nine yards.
> The way this would work is that the animals are ‘released’ by the activist scum, then get picked up. Second time, mandatory spay/neuter.
Ergo, take better care of your animals. Activist scum should never be in any position to “release” your dogs.
This two-strikes-and-your-snipped sounds like a fine measure which I still whole-heartedly endorse. I wish they had the good sense to implement something similar here in New Zealand.
Then we probably agree. I’ve got 2 dogs from shelters, and they are both fine dogs. Both neutered, as well.
Excuse me for living; I fell off a hearse!
I would not have deigned to reply had I know you lived in the great and wonderfully perfect land on Non-Nuclear, Peace-loving, Criminal Free, Socialist Paradise of New Zealand.
Go F yourself, Mr. Self Righteous.
My Border Collie came from a farm. I doubt their dogs are locked up. At $500/pup, it isn’t a big commercial site. The pups are bred for work, not show.
Don’t know about NZ, but in the USA, a lot of good breeders produce 1-2 litters/year. They live in the back yard and house, not under lock and key.
A rancher friend of mine has Border Collies that live under the house. No locks anywhere for them.
> Go F yourself, Mr. Self Righteous.
I didn't tell you it was wrong, I would never do that. And in a case like yours where the puppies would have been wanted, I think it would have been great. I'm sorry, you took my comments different than I intended.
I have had more mixed breeds than pure breeds in my life, usually rescue dogs. I've taken in many dogs that were unwanted and found good homes for them on my own.
Right now I have a little rescue dog that had been abused and took him a while to trust us, but he is wonderful, and two registered dogs that are just as wonderful.
I volunteered for one of our local shelters and it breaks my heart to see so many unwanted animals, and some very abused. Not everyone should be pet owners because they don't care about them or know how to deal with animals.
When there are too many dogs (and cats) that they end up in shelters or run wild, then too many are breeding that shouldn't be.
That’s sweet. I’ve taken my dogs on trails in the West where they get to meet other dogs. They love it. But there are places where dogs are not so well cared for, and it’s probably best that a dog who sees the shelter more than once is neutered/spayed, unless it’s a case of a well cared for dog who escapes the confines of a fence or something.
Not until you add me to the plonker list, Wanker.
Who wouldn't object to uncontrolled dog breeding? The government shouldn't control it, but the folks doing it do and can control it.
> Not until you add me to the plonker list, Wanker.
Do you think you’ve earned it? Or are you just a wannabe Plonker? Either way, you can get knotted.
Then be more careful about the people you let adopt puppies. The dogs aren't commodities--"valuable animals"-- they are family.
We were; OTHERS weren't. And it wasn't the adoptors that were the problem, it was third party "activists" that caused others some trouble.
We never had a problem.