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The DNA of Politics - Genes shape our beliefs, our values, and even our votes
City Journal ^ | 01/29/30 | James Wilson

Posted on 01/30/2009 5:00:58 PM PST by GOPGuide

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1 posted on 01/30/2009 5:00:59 PM PST by GOPGuide
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To: GOPGuide
From Nancy Verrier (and my user page):

Lack of genetic markers makes the child feel as if she doesn't fit, doesn't belong. Child has to figure out how to be in the family. Hypervigilant. Tries to adapt.

Children are not a "blank slate" at birth. Most of personality traits are genetic (but personality must be distinguished from behavioral coping style.) Adoptive parents cannot expect the child to be like them.

2 posted on 01/30/2009 5:08:09 PM PST by Alkhin (I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell. ~ Harry S Truman)
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To: Alkhin

“Children are not a “blank slate” at birth.”

Yeah but try telling adoptive parents that, to say nothing of leftwingers.


3 posted on 01/30/2009 5:09:23 PM PST by GOPGuide
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To: GOPGuide
Yeah. Its a real buggabear to deal with. Very hurtful when they won't understand, really.

(Thanks :D)

4 posted on 01/30/2009 5:11:58 PM PST by Alkhin (I never give them hell. I just tell the truth and they think it's hell. ~ Harry S Truman)
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To: GOPGuide
I'm an about-to-be adoptive parent, and I know that nature is powerful. That doesn't bother me. I'm not sure why adoptive parents would expect or want their children to be “blank slates”.
5 posted on 01/30/2009 5:12:38 PM PST by utahagen
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To: GOPGuide
On the other hand, the answers these people gave to the words “Democrat” or “Republican” had a very weak genetic basis. In politics, genes help us understand fundamental attitudes—that is, whether we are liberal or conservative—but do not explain what party we choose to join.

Nonsense driven by lack of expected correlation so Wilson dismisses it out of hand. Very much like global warming nuts.

6 posted on 01/30/2009 5:12:58 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: Alkhin

You’re welcome!


7 posted on 01/30/2009 5:13:33 PM PST by GOPGuide
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To: Alkhin

As an adoptee I want to thank you for linking to that page...


8 posted on 01/30/2009 5:23:40 PM PST by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ Pro-Palin & NObama Gear : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: Alkhin

I just read your user page, and I’m trying not to cry right now... I agree with EVERYTHING you’ve said, I could’ve written it myself. All of it - every word is TRUTH. I’m happy for you that you were able to know the name of your birth mother, I unfortunately will probably never know...


9 posted on 01/30/2009 5:31:07 PM PST by LibertyRocks ( http://LibertyRocks.wordpress.com ~ Pro-Palin & NObama Gear : http://cafepress.com/NO_ObamaBiden08)
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To: GOPGuide; Finny; vladimir998; Coyoteman; allmendream; LeGrande; GunRunner; cacoethes_resipisco; ...

Another perspective:

DNA Is Not Destiny

The new science of epigenetics rewrites the rules of disease, heredity, and identity.

http://discovermagazine.com/2006/nov/cover


10 posted on 01/30/2009 6:01:25 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

I thought CM was history.


11 posted on 01/30/2009 6:10:26 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Care to elaborate?


12 posted on 01/30/2009 6:21:20 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts

He got banned a couple of days ago.


13 posted on 01/30/2009 6:24:59 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Sorry to see him go. But look on the bright side, now he can focus all his energies on the overflowing cup that is Darwin Central.


14 posted on 01/30/2009 6:35:11 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GodGunsGuts
Gosh! If only we could find the right diet to produce capitalist entrepreneurs committed to Christ.

{ 8^)

15 posted on 01/30/2009 6:40:55 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: YHAOS

Now your straying into epigenetics :o)


16 posted on 01/30/2009 7:07:03 PM PST by GodGunsGuts
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To: GOPGuide
(though I suspect that Yankee fans have a genetic defect)

OK Red Sox fans here is the truth. We YANKEES spend more on our trophy polish than you guys spend on your entire roster. And we are gonna get some more trophies this year!! Count on it!

17 posted on 01/30/2009 7:19:01 PM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: GodGunsGuts

Sometimes you’ll find me in the strangest places.


18 posted on 01/30/2009 7:46:25 PM PST by YHAOS
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To: GodGunsGuts
Sorry to see him go. But look on the bright side, now he can focus all his energies on the overflowing cup that is Darwin Central.

He let somebody needle him into an emotional response. I hate seeing that tactic work.

19 posted on 01/30/2009 8:07:23 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: jwalsh07

I am so glad this author identified understandable examples of liberal authoritarianism.

Usually, the accusation is that all conservatives are accused of authoritarianism, and that leftist is by definition NOT. To show that political leanings are separate from authoritarianism, we can now remind people that left vs. right isn’t always extremes, and there are extremists of both sides.

There are leftist Nazis (authoritarians) who are willing to kill people to save lab rats and destroy property in the name of fairness. Anti-smoking Nazis are a more moderated version of this.

Fortunately, the leftist authoritarians are breeding at a much lower rate than the rest of us. And if their traits are genetically based, we’ll see far fewer of them in the future.


20 posted on 01/30/2009 8:29:59 PM PST by tbw2 (Freeper sci-fi - "Humanity's Edge" - on amazon.com)
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To: GodGunsGuts; metmom
Sorry to see him go. But look on the bright side, now he can focus all his energies on the overflowing cup that is Darwin Central.

That's nailing it solid. These guys are going to all die out together in a room trying to convince themselves how stupid the rest of the world is and the rest of the world won't care.

Ther best thing we can do is try to teach the world to laugh at evolosers and evoloserism. Laughter is the thing which ultimately kills some of these things which seem to be more than anybody can do anything about. The KKK was one example. Google searches on 'kkk' and 'superman' tell a fascinating story of how that came about.

21 posted on 01/30/2009 8:30:53 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: GodGunsGuts

Thanks for the ping!


22 posted on 01/30/2009 8:56:15 PM PST by Alamo-Girl
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To: Nuc1

We red sox fans have soemthign better than silly old trophies that tarnish and need to be polished- spirit


23 posted on 01/30/2009 9:49:41 PM PST by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: tacticalogic; GodGunsGuts; wendy1946; metmom
“He let somebody needle him into an emotional response. I hate seeing that tactic work.”
Hey, its just Natural Selection and Survival of the Fittest at work.

CM just wasn't fit and got Naturally Selected.

Why do all the Evolutionaries get their knickers in a knot when Unguided Nature blindly Selects and the Least Fit don't survive?

Its their theory of operation after all!
24 posted on 01/31/2009 2:24:23 AM PST by Fichori (I believe in a Woman's right to choose, even if she hasn't been born yet.)
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To: GOPGuide

Darwin did say that “the character of the american people” and “the progress of the United States” were both due to natural selection, and therefore hereditary. I bet Americans thought that faith, values, goals, desires, beliefs, self-motivation, love of liberty and hard work had something to do with the character of the American people and the progress of the USA. Good thing we have Darwin and biological science to disabuse americans of such delusions.


25 posted on 01/31/2009 5:25:50 AM PST by Ethan Clive Osgoode (<<== Click here to learn about Darwinism!)
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To: GOPGuide
Yet if you ask who in this country has prevented people from speaking on college campuses, it is overwhelmingly leftists. If you ask who storms the streets and shatters the windows of Starbucks coffee shops to protest the World Trade Organization, it is overwhelmingly leftists. If you ask who produces campus codes that infringe on free speech, it is overwhelmingly leftists. If you ask who invaded the classroom of my late colleague Richard Herrnstein and tried to prevent him from teaching, it was overwhelmingly leftists.

Hmmmm I wonder which side sues people because they're injecting their religion into public, schools, science classes, etc. etc. etc.

26 posted on 01/31/2009 5:56:06 AM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: wendy1946
These guys are going to all die out together in a room trying to convince themselves how stupid the rest of the world is and the rest of the world won't care.

Exactly.

27 posted on 01/31/2009 6:23:23 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tacticalogic; GodGunsGuts; metmom

He let somebody needle him into an emotional response. I hate seeing that tactic work.


That tactic? Ummmm Coyoteman was hoisted on his own petard sort’o-speak.

And frankly, I don’t think it was so much as an emotional response as letting his liberal slip show...he employed the liberal tactic of thinking he controls every aspect of the entire world around him, to the point of controlling a conservative website, one too many times.

He doesn’t.


28 posted on 01/31/2009 6:36:27 AM PST by tpanther (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing---Edmund Burke)
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To: tacticalogic; GodGunsGuts; tpanther; Fichori
He let somebody needle him into an emotional response. I hate seeing that tactic work.

Reread the thread again. He didn't post any emotional responses. The one that got him banned was when he mouthed back at JR, which hardly qualifies as *emotional*.

The evo persecution complex would have it that it was our fault that he's gone and it's not. You guys (as a group) can stop blame shifting. We're not buying it or taking responsibility for it no matter how much you throw it back at us. It's this thing called personal accountability and responsibility.

29 posted on 01/31/2009 7:35:59 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: CottShop

LOL! Pitchers and Catchers soon!! Both of us are gonna have to watch them boys down in Fla. though.


30 posted on 01/31/2009 7:46:30 AM PST by Nuc1 (NUC1 Sub pusher SSN 668 (Liberals Aren't Patriots))
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To: GOPGuide

As long as the genetic side does not crowd out the Free Will it should be tolerated as a field of study, even encouraged, but not worshipped.


31 posted on 01/31/2009 7:55:17 AM PST by junta (Not even respectable mainstream conservatives can save liberalism.)
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“As long as the genetic side does not crowd out the Free Will it should be tolerated as a field of study, even encouraged, but not worshipped.”

True, but people are loath to admit genes play a role at all in terms of intelligence and personality.

I think it is the hereditarians who are facing the most PC censorship.


32 posted on 01/31/2009 7:57:10 AM PST by GOPGuide
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To: Alkhin
Children are not a "blank slate" at birth. Most of personality traits are genetic (but personality must be distinguished from behavioral coping style.) Adoptive parents cannot expect the child to be like them.

I agree with this and I came to this conclusion by raising and showing purebred dogs for 25 years.

Puppies do not learn certain traits from their parents. One of the most amazing lessons of this was that once we had an Old English Sheepdog who loved to sit on chairs, seats of lawnmowers, etc.

Once I was talking to a friend in Canada who had purchased a daughter of our dog. The friend pointed out to me that the dog she purchased was sitting at that moment on a kitchen chair.

At the same moment, her mother was sitting on one of our kitchen chairs.

33 posted on 01/31/2009 8:02:32 AM PST by Conservativegreatgrandma (When the righteous rule, the people rejoice; when the wicked rule the people mourn. Proverbs 29;2)
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To: Fichori
Hey, its just Natural Selection and Survival of the Fittest at work.

That fits right in with the idea that whoever has the best propaganda wins.

34 posted on 01/31/2009 8:33:17 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom
He didn't post any emotional responses. The one that got him banned was when he mouthed back at JR, which hardly qualifies as *emotional*.

That looked like a pretty emotional response to me.

35 posted on 01/31/2009 8:40:06 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: metmom
The evo persecution complex would have it that it was our fault that he's gone and it's not. You guys (as a group) can stop blame shifting. We're not buying it or taking responsibility for it no matter how much you throw it back at us. It's this thing called personal accountability and responsibility.

That I believe. You'll never believe you ever had anything to do with turning a discussion into a flame war.

36 posted on 01/31/2009 8:49:43 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: GOPGuide; GodGunsGuts

Sorry about this. I should have replied to GGG offline.


37 posted on 01/31/2009 9:03:12 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

That’s not true.

In this case, though, the response that got him banned, wasn’t to the newb who made the Satanism comment. The thread hadn’t really devolved into a spitting match yet. Nobody provoked him into name calling or personal attacks.

JR stated plainly where he stands, without name calling or derision. He said nothing that would even be considered strong compared to the usual level of vitriol these threads tend to break down to.

The long and short of it is, if you’re going to argue with the owner of a site about how he runs it and imply that he and what he stands for is *fringe*, you can expect consequences.

Cm exercised poor judgment; he could have stepped away from the keyboard, he could have accepted the reprimand and moved on. This isn’t the same as face to face confrontations where it’s far more likely to result in unintended consequences. At the keyboard, you have time to think it through, compose the response, and hit the post button twice. Flying off the handle is just not warranted.

The other question is why cm, along with other evos, are so intent on making FR *DClite*? If you guys object so strongly to the position FR taking, why stay when you have your own God-free evo only forum?


38 posted on 01/31/2009 9:55:00 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
That’s not true.

Is that your opinion, or are you submitting that as objectively verifiable fact?

39 posted on 01/31/2009 10:04:15 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic
Your comment was: You'll never believe you ever had anything to do with turning a discussion into a flame war.

I disagreed with that. Why is that an issue with you?

40 posted on 01/31/2009 10:31:07 AM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom
I disagreed with that. Why is that an issue with you?

You can disagree, and I may be wrong. In your opinion, have you ever contributed to turning a discussion into a flame war?

41 posted on 01/31/2009 10:40:06 AM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Likely.


42 posted on 01/31/2009 12:47:08 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

In your opinion, is it probable that a flame war on one thread will be manifested as animosity and misunderstandings in subsequent threads?


43 posted on 01/31/2009 12:49:26 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

Sure. It happened to me when I stumbled upon my first crevo thread, when I had no idea what to expect, and posted on it and was immediately shredded for holding the creationist position. Yeah, it happens.


44 posted on 01/31/2009 12:58:59 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: metmom

Does having it happen to you absolve you of any resonsibility for the consequences of doing it to other people?


45 posted on 01/31/2009 1:03:37 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

No, and it doesn’t excuse it either.


47 posted on 01/31/2009 6:53:00 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: ToGodBeTheGlory

You wouldn’t believe the effect which merely being laughed at has on evolosers. I was delivering some stuff to a mental institution this afternoon and they had an evoloser all tied up and sedated... poor guy had tried to throw himself into a meat grinder at an Oscar Meyer plant after a couple of little girls laughed at him when he started to walk outdoors and had forgotten his pants.


48 posted on 01/31/2009 6:54:03 PM PST by wendy1946
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To: metmom

Can we make that a basis for better communicatoin going forward?


49 posted on 01/31/2009 7:21:02 PM PST by tacticalogic ("Oh bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

We can try. But it’s no guarantee I won’t get in my own way.


50 posted on 01/31/2009 7:43:24 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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