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The Best E-Mail Program Ever: How Gmail destroyed Outlook.
Slate ^ | January 29, 2009 | Farhad Manjoo

Posted on 02/01/2009 8:19:13 AM PST by Arec Barrwin

The Best E-Mail Program Ever How Gmail destroyed Outlook.

By Farhad Manjoo

Posted Thursday, Jan. 29, 2009, at 5:52 PM ET

As of this week, Gmail has reached perfection: You no longer have to be online to read or write messages. Desktop programs like Microsoft Outlook have always been able to access your old mail. There is a certain bliss to this; if you've got a pile of letters that demand well-composed, delicate responses (say you're explaining to your boss why you ordered that $85,000 rug), unplugging the Internet can be the fastest way to get things done. That's why offline access is a killer feature—it destroys your last remaining reason for suffering through a desktop e-mail program.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: email; gmail; google; internet; msn; outlook
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1 posted on 02/01/2009 8:19:13 AM PST by Arec Barrwin
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To: Arec Barrwin

bfl


2 posted on 02/01/2009 8:20:30 AM PST by Skooz (Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us Gabba Gabba we accept you we accept you one of us)
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To: Skooz

I don’t do Outlook.

I don’t trust Google.

I have already had an e-mail via my local ISP “filtered” where it connected to Yahoo.

Beware, the knobs of dissent are tightening.

de Texas Fossil


3 posted on 02/01/2009 8:28:46 AM PST by Texas Fossil
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To: Arec Barrwin

Anybody report their experiences with this? I had an option to use GMail but turned it down because it was Google’s.


4 posted on 02/01/2009 8:30:11 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: Arec Barrwin

I have and use both, but Outlook >>>>>> gmail. Outlook is a full fledged feature rich application, and I can’t imagine anything better than Outlook 2007. gmail has it’s place, but in no way is it a replacement or even comes close to besting Outlook.

I am glad these online apps are starting to provide offline access though, that has been my biggest beef with the whole online cloud app paradigm. I’m still struggling with the fact that my data files actually reside out in cyber space and not on my computer though. I don’t think I’ll ever get over that, guess I’m too old school.


5 posted on 02/01/2009 8:30:29 AM PST by SirAllen (Liberalism*2 = Communism)
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To: Arec Barrwin

Outlook 2007 has numerous features.

I would not trust Google for anything!


6 posted on 02/01/2009 8:34:01 AM PST by siamesecats
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To: SirAllen

I never liked Outlook, just seemed like another bloated, clunky MS app. Back in the pre-webmail days I used Eudora, now I use Gmail because it’s easy to set up multiple addresses. Whenever I go to a website I know is going to spam me, or have to sign up for something I use a Gmail address that acts like a spam dumping ground. This leaves my main emails fairly clean.


7 posted on 02/01/2009 8:36:40 AM PST by Oshkalaboomboom
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To: SirAllen

From the beginning, gmail has allowed you to download all your email to Outlook or whatever email application you want on your PC. From gmail, click on Settings, and then “Forwarding and POP/IMAP”. It gives you directions on how to set up your email app to download from Gmail.


8 posted on 02/01/2009 8:37:03 AM PST by PapaBear3625 (We used to institutionalize the insane. Now we elect them.)
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To: Arec Barrwin

Agent is the best email and newsreader on the market.


9 posted on 02/01/2009 8:38:23 AM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: Arec Barrwin

I use a gmail account but I don’t see how to easily group or find email from a certain person.

And I know there are other features others must want.

But what’s Outlook? :)

(I use Apple Mail and Entourage too.)


10 posted on 02/01/2009 8:38:34 AM PST by romanesq
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To: Arec Barrwin

BTW,

I think EUDORA

is the best email program

They now have an Open Source version in Beta.

http://www.Eudora.com


11 posted on 02/01/2009 8:39:12 AM PST by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: Arec Barrwin

You can use Outlook offline all it takes a click on a icon to go offline. But this is slate


12 posted on 02/01/2009 8:39:55 AM PST by ThomasThomas ( Never mind.........it may go both ways...)
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To: Quix

outlook is a piece of crap, no innovation for years


13 posted on 02/01/2009 8:40:17 AM PST by 4rcane
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To: Oatka

My ISP uses Google as their mail service. It seems to work fine with no outages. The spam filter that’s built in seems to work pretty well. It’s automatic filing system (if you want to use it) works fine as does the threading of messages. To read mail and my contacts however, I use Outlook. I know have a back up of all my messages on line which I didn’t have before. The only time I use the Google portion of this is when I’m not near my computer or laptop and want to look at my mail and when I check my spam filter to see what was caught that wasn’t supposed to be stopped.


14 posted on 02/01/2009 8:40:27 AM PST by airedale ( XZ)
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To: Arec Barrwin
Trust my confidential email to the Comrade Obama KGB communist vermin at Google?
Thanks, but no thanks!
If you are conservative, you have no business supporting Google in any way.
15 posted on 02/01/2009 8:42:40 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

That’s fine, but you can usually do the same with your ISP (create multiple email accounts) and set rules to filter however you want, Outlook has so many more options than gmail.

Outlook used to be a little on the bloated side but I do not consider it anywhere near bloated status with the last few versions. It’s fast, fairly small footprint and unlimited in its power. It’s actually one of Microsoft’s best products. If you want bloat see Lotus Notes.

gmail is simple to use but lacks the power and depth of Outlook. I also find it faster and easier to do work with Outlook than through the gmail interface - so much so that I pull all my gmail into Outlook.


16 posted on 02/01/2009 8:44:26 AM PST by SirAllen (Liberalism*2 = Communism)
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To: Arec Barrwin

I assume when someone writes me using a gmail account that it’s spam.


17 posted on 02/01/2009 8:44:30 AM PST by DannyTN
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To: 4rcane

Have always hated Outlook.

Always avoided it as much as possible.

College uses it. Sigh.


18 posted on 02/01/2009 8:45:00 AM PST by Quix (LEADRs SAY FRM 1900 2 presnt: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2130557/posts?page=81#81)
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To: ThomasThomas

“You can use Outlook offline all it takes a click on a icon to go offline. But this is slate”

Yup.
Outlook’s had that feature for years. Nothing new here. I don’t know what Slate is smoking.


19 posted on 02/01/2009 8:45:41 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Poser

I use Agent as for Newsgroups only. I never considered using it as my email platform. What is good about it?


20 posted on 02/01/2009 8:47:27 AM PST by BreezyDog
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To: Arec Barrwin

I’ll stick with Yahoo mail. Yahoo is the Cadillac of email services.


21 posted on 02/01/2009 8:47:34 AM PST by Extremely Extreme Extremist (The Libertarian and Constitution Parties should merge into one)
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To: Arec Barrwin
I tried gmail for a temporary project...and I think it sucks. Even when having Outlook download it, it sucks.

Outlook works well for me, it has the features I like and use often; I use Outlook Express at home and I like it as well.

I know - different strokes for different folks - but if Outlook and other apps work well, and I am trained in using them, I'm not going to let "bill gates envy" stop me from using them or dissing MS.
22 posted on 02/01/2009 8:47:49 AM PST by FrankR (“Turtle up”, economically, for the duration of the 0bamanation.)
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To: Oatka

GMail is an excellent service. I use it (through Google Apps) for all my email.

It’s fast, efficient, scans attachments for viruses before I ever download them, is accessible from any computer, and has a wonderful spam filter.

It syncs with my Blackberry, as does Google Calendar, and doesn’t hog resources the way Outlook does. I can us GMail while compiling a video or working on a website with no loss of speed on my computer. With Outlook I experience a noticeable loss of speed.

If my computer is down for maintenance or repair, I can still access my email. If my computer crashes, I can still access my email.

That being said, I find that Outlook is a wonderful program for backing up my GMail to my computer. Utilized over night, it doesn’t interfere with my work by hogging resources during the day, and because GMail supports IMAP, I can sync my GMail accounts with Outlook for peace of mind in case Google ever goes bankrupt.


23 posted on 02/01/2009 8:48:32 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (They moved my pie.)
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To: SirAllen

Gmail is not even on the same planet as Outlook, when it comes to power, features and depth. It’s not even an issue. It’s like comparing a Russian Lada(Gmail) to a BMW(Outlook).


24 posted on 02/01/2009 8:49:21 AM PST by SmokingJoe
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To: Arec Barrwin

Those who complain about Outlook don’t use/need the features it provides. Anyone in a small business needing computers connected to the internet is nuts if they aren’t sophisticated Outlook users.


25 posted on 02/01/2009 8:51:13 AM PST by fso301
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To: romanesq
I don’t see how to easily group or find email from a certain person.

You can create a filter which applies a label to that person's email. Labels are GMail's equivalent to folders, but they are more powerful because you can cross reference them.

Additionally, you can type in that person's name or email address in the search box and pull them all up.

26 posted on 02/01/2009 8:52:43 AM PST by Jeff Chandler (They moved my pie.)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Hey thanks for the tip. On the Apple Mail you can click just one button on from with one email and all the emails from that person are then shown together.

But at least there is a way to do it.

I’ll have to try the labels method. Thanks again.


27 posted on 02/01/2009 8:58:49 AM PST by romanesq
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

I have to say gmail does have some really nice features. Like if you get into a back and forth email session you have a reply tree that shows all of your emails for that particular starting email, plus it has a cleaner and much more intuitive setup than yahoo.

Now to be fair I really like the new m.yahoo.com they have been beta testing on occasion, very nice setup and you can consolidate some of your email services(even gmail) into one mailbox. Plus the preview shows three times as many emails as the current preview does.


28 posted on 02/01/2009 9:00:46 AM PST by aft_lizard (One animal actually eats its own brains to conserve energy, we call them liberals.)
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To: Arec Barrwin

I have a gmail account that I use as a throw away account for when I purchase something online. I find it to be a very cheap, lacking in bells and whistles that I enjoy on Incredimail.


29 posted on 02/01/2009 9:03:51 AM PST by engrpat (End the National Nightmare on 1-20-2013)
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To: Arec Barrwin
I suppose Manjoo has never experienced Outlook connected to Exchange nor used the Outlook Web Access feature of Exchange. Blows all other email programs/ services out of the water, at least for large organization & corporate email.

DoD uses Outlook/ Exchange- I wonder why? /s

30 posted on 02/01/2009 9:06:22 AM PST by Kolb ("Man is not free unless government is limited." -Ronald Reagan)
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To: Arec Barrwin

I use Outlook at work, and I hate it.

Why does it have 1000 different features that I will never, ever in a million years think of using?
Why won’t it let me customize my button bar? I really don’t want “Business Contact Manager” on there at all; why it insists that I do is beyond me.
Why does it inexplicably go offline, sometimes for hours at a time? I don’t even realize it’s off, unless I check on it periodically to make sure it’s still working, restarting the entire computer being the only surefire way to get it to come back online.


31 posted on 02/01/2009 9:07:01 AM PST by eclecticEel (Wall Street isn't a charity ... so why are we giving them money?)
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To: BreezyDog

“I use Agent as for Newsgroups only. I never considered using it as my email platform. What is good about it?”

1. It will handle any number of email accounts on any number of servers.
2. It will automatically file your mail in the folders of your choice.
3. It has a built-in learning capability to filter spam. You simply drag an email to the spam folder and it learns.
4. It allows you to turn HTML on or off in messages.
5. It allows you to either leave your messages on the server or not.
6. It allows you to both read and write email offline.
7. You can install it simply by copying its folder to a new computer. There are no registry entries.
8. It has a good spell checker.
9. It is small. It doesn’t hog resources.
10. You can manually or automatically retrieve your email.
11. One click and you can read your newsgroups like rec.guns!


32 posted on 02/01/2009 9:08:45 AM PST by Poser (Willing to fight for oil)
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To: fso301

Exactly. Integrated scheduling, shared contacts, auto-archiving, quick searches, etc. make Outlook years ahead of GMail.

GMail is a nice little web-based e-mail client, but compared to a full-featured application like Outlook? That’s a hoot!


33 posted on 02/01/2009 9:09:09 AM PST by PugetSoundSoldier (Indignation over the sting of truth is the defense of the indefensible)
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To: Arec Barrwin

I tried Gmail once, but didn’t like it. I use Yahoo and Thunderbird. I’ve never used Outlook. The ads with Yahoo annoy me, but using Firefox with AdBlock (along with it’s selective element blocking), I’ve figured out how to block all the ads.


34 posted on 02/01/2009 9:11:25 AM PST by shorty_harris
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To: Arec Barrwin

Google has archived every single query ever made, for “research” purposes. Don’t be surprised if they keep all your email forever, for “research”.


35 posted on 02/01/2009 9:33:05 AM PST by balls
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To: Arec Barrwin
So I'm asking myself would I give a bunch of vicious liberal retards complete access to and control over decades worth of my email archives? No, I don't think so.

I wouldn't give them to my good buddy Opelosi and I won't give them to Google, which might be two very similar things.

36 posted on 02/01/2009 9:33:19 AM PST by LibWhacker
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To: Quix

I used EUDORA too, I think it is great, I’ve got about 50 folders and filters set up on most of them. No trouble finding emails from the past.


37 posted on 02/01/2009 9:39:49 AM PST by ReformedBeckite
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To: Skooz
With Gmail, you'll never see pop-ups or untargeted banner ads. Instead we display text ads and related links you might find useful and interesting.

Google watches you closely.

38 posted on 02/01/2009 9:45:17 AM PST by Principled (Get the capital back! NRST!)
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To: fso301

I worked at Nike and honestly didn’t see how they could function without Outlook. It must have been really wild in the early days.


39 posted on 02/01/2009 10:03:38 AM PST by Aria ("An America that could elect Sarah Palin might still save itself." Vin Suprynowicz)
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To: ReformedBeckite; Quix; Oshkalaboomboom
I used EUDORA too, I think it is great, I’ve got about 50 folders and filters set up on most of them. No trouble finding emails from the past.

I've used Eudora for almost twenty years.

First on Windows 2 and now on OS X.

The cut and paste was always painful.

Always liked content search and filtering.

I just upgraded to PowerMail with spamsieve.

It only works on OS X Leopard.

20 years of mailboxes converted in 15 minutes.

Another half day to update the filters.


40 posted on 02/01/2009 10:09:46 AM PST by Uriel-2012 (Psalm 78:35 And they remembered that God was their ROCK, And the Most High God their Redeemer.)
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To: Oshkalaboomboom

I didn’t like Outlook and like someone else said, I don’t trust google with anything.


41 posted on 02/01/2009 10:12:29 AM PST by Arizona Carolyn
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To: Quix
They now have an Open Source version in Beta.

Didn't know that. Will check it out. Always liked Eurora, but have been using Thunderbird with the Lightning calendar plugin since I'm on Linux. I have to use Evolution, which is o.k., but not my favorite at work, because we have "MS-Exchange" for email.

I liked Pine too :-)

42 posted on 02/01/2009 10:28:12 AM PST by zeugma (Will it be nukes or aliens? Time will tell.)
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To: Jeff Chandler; airedale

OK, thanks gentlemen. I’ll try it out.


43 posted on 02/01/2009 10:29:43 AM PST by Oatka ("A society of sheep must in time beget a government of wolves." –Bertrand de Jouvenel)
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To: ElayneJ

to review later


44 posted on 02/01/2009 10:39:13 AM PST by ElayneJ
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To: Quix

Just downloaded it and checked it briefly. Looks like the Linux version is a repackaged Thunderbird client. Unfortunately, it doesn’t like the Lightning plugin, so I’ll not be able to use it.


45 posted on 02/01/2009 10:48:45 AM PST by zeugma (Will it be nukes or aliens? Time will tell.)
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To: ThomasThomas

You can use Outlook offline all it takes a click on a icon to go offline.

You can use Outlook offline and download new mail, and send new mail while not connected to the Internet? That’s news to me. Please explain how you do that.

Thanks!

Hank


46 posted on 02/01/2009 11:08:46 AM PST by Hank Kerchief
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To: Texas Fossil
"I have already had an e-mail via my local ISP “filtered” where it connected to Yahoo. Beware, the knobs of dissent are tightening."

We have been assimilated by Yahoo, also.

I hate it!

We have 6 email accounts and leave the email on the server, so two people can retrieve it from their own computers. I delete the messages after they have all be downloaded. This little 'merger' of theirs has created a pile more work for me to do this. I have to sign in and out for each account. Much more time consuming. We were given absolutely no voice in the matter, either.

Nothing will be in our email that we would not want the Government read, for I know they will be doing so. At least filters will be searching for key words or phrases.

Beware,

TL

47 posted on 02/01/2009 12:05:48 PM PST by Tomato lover (The Lord freed me of the world's opinion of success)
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To: Arec Barrwin

For industrial strength email, the only system worth it’s salt is Lotus Notes. The problem is that too many companies try it, but never train their employees how to properly use it.


48 posted on 02/01/2009 12:16:52 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware of socialism in America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: SirAllen
Every customer that I have converted to Lotus Notes is absolutely amazed at how much better it is than Outlook. Re: bloat, the newest version has a considerably smaller footprint, and much more power!

BTW - who announced an increase in earnings last year, and who took a loss? IBM up considerably; Microsoft is down.

49 posted on 02/01/2009 12:19:14 PM PST by LiteKeeper (Beware of socialism in America; the Islamization of Eurabia)
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To: Arec Barrwin

Google has significant reliability programs. Business can’t safely rely on it for mission critical areas.

Google has privacy issues.

And Google lacks flexibility in how it organizes messages.

I have a GMail account which I use regularly. It’s better than some of the web mail services, as good as others. But it is no replacement for Outlook in a business environment.


50 posted on 02/01/2009 12:20:21 PM PST by PAR35
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