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Donated scout land often ends up as cash cow (Attack on Boy Scouts)
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | Saturday, January 31, 2009 | Lewis Kamb

Posted on 02/01/2009 8:41:34 AM PST by Navy Patriot

It's been 62 years since conservationist Virgil McCroskey gave the Boy Scouts 400 acres of timberland near this village in Idaho's panhandle, with big ideas for a big new camp.

But don't expect any pup tents or even the faintest whiff of smoke from Camp McCroskey these days.

Rarely used for camping, the land instead has become a moneymaker for the Inland Northwest Council of Boy Scouts. Over the past 35 years, the council has repeatedly logged the property, collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars. Some of the money helped pay the mortgage on council headquarters in far-off Spokane, a former council board member says.

Never mind that McCroskey specified how the scouts should use the land when he deeded it in 1947: "for camp and recreational purposes, the site to be known as Virgil Talmadge McCroskey Camp."

Council officials interpret McCroskey's deed to mean they can log the land, so long as revenues are spent on anything related to "recreational purposes."

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Idaho
KEYWORDS: boy; bsa; conservation; environment; scouts; summercamp
This is part of a co-ordinated MSM attack on the boy scouts.

The basic reason for this attack is that the scouts promote love of God, family, country, and moral and ethical living.

Efforts to destroy the scouts focus on making it expensive for them to continue by denying them use of public facilities. This is an attack on their income.

More links to come on this thread.

1 posted on 02/01/2009 8:41:35 AM PST by Navy Patriot
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To: Navy Patriot
Another Kamb hitpiece Lots of land, few new camps for scouts
2 posted on 02/01/2009 8:45:25 AM PST by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate, makes a Marxist President.)
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To: Navy Patriot

They also successfully resisted a fag takeover.

Harrassment of BSA will not end.


3 posted on 02/01/2009 8:46:21 AM PST by northislander
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To: Navy Patriot

in order for them to leave the BSA alone would be if they had an anal sex merit badge and made the badge an eagle requirement.


4 posted on 02/01/2009 8:47:17 AM PST by Vaquero ( "an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: Navy Patriot
And another Profit trumps preservation for Boy Scout councils nationwide
5 posted on 02/01/2009 8:50:15 AM PST by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate, makes a Marxist President.)
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To: RonF; AppauledAtAppeasementConservat; Looking for Diogenes; Congressman Billybob; ...

If the ACLU isn’t attacking the Boy Scouts the Greenies are!


6 posted on 02/01/2009 8:50:58 AM PST by SandRat (Duty, Honor, Country! What else needs said?)
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To: northislander
They also successfully resisted a fag takeover.

What ya want to bet, Kamb is a queer engaging in the Hearst originated yellow journalism?

7 posted on 02/01/2009 8:52:38 AM PST by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate, makes a Marxist President.)
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To: Navy Patriot
Seth Rosenfeld, Cornholicle Staff Writer gets in some licks here Political pull helped fix Scouts' dam problem
8 posted on 02/01/2009 8:57:23 AM PST by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate, makes a Marxist President.)
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To: Navy Patriot

This sounds like what politicians like to do, go by the letter of the contract to get away with what the benefactor wouldn’t have approved of.

By the sound if it, he gave the land so the kids could do their scouting activities on it, and the BSA just blew off his wishes. Warning to anybody else who wants to donate to the BSA.


9 posted on 02/01/2009 8:59:54 AM PST by antiRepublicrat ("I am a firm believer that there are not two sides to every issue..." -- Arianna Huffington)
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To: northislander

yep read the comments. will turn your stomach


10 posted on 02/01/2009 9:01:57 AM PST by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: Navy Patriot

The soon-to-be-dead Seattle P-I (Pravda on Puget Sound) has also been running this story - on page one, of course. The leftist media hates decency as we all know.


11 posted on 02/01/2009 9:04:38 AM PST by dainbramaged (the Tree of Liberty needs watering)
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To: Navy Patriot

My father had a farm in Pennsylvania that he was going to give to my brother but gave to the Boy Scouts when my brother died. I don’t think any of us have ever regretted it. I don’t care what they did with it, it was a gift.


12 posted on 02/01/2009 9:09:40 AM PST by tiki (True Christians will not deliberately slander or misrepresent others or their beliefs)
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To: antiRepublicrat
More info here: Settlement silenced critics of logging

There is a huge amount of evidence that the scouts are simply properly managing the land gifts for the maximum benefit of the scouts and the people in general. All forest and wildlands CAN be managed, contrary to environazis wants. Envirowackos failed to manage Yellowstone (and many other forests) and burned them to the ground.

Are environazis EVER reasonable or are they always radically extreme liars who will falsify and plant evidence to allow court shopped judges to CONFISCATE private property? On the other hand, are Boy Scouts, farmers and wood products companies generally reasonable in renewable land management?

13 posted on 02/01/2009 9:14:43 AM PST by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate, makes a Marxist President.)
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To: Navy Patriot
Again, more greenie spin: Scout councils defend logging of their lands
14 posted on 02/01/2009 9:20:15 AM PST by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate, makes a Marxist President.)
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To: antiRepublicrat; SandRat; dainbramaged; northislander
From the last link:

"The Boy Scouts had to suffer the consequences for sticking by their moral values," said Eugene Grant, president of the Portland, Ore., Cascade Pacific Council's board of directors. "There's no question" that the Scouts' anti-gay, anti-atheist stance has cost the organization money, he said. As a result, he said, "every council has looked at ways to generate funds ... and logging is one of them."

The scouts insist they manage the wild lands they own with sensitivity and care.

The Boy Scouts cannot ever satisfy the liar left until they become the Queer Scouts and have 100% Sodomite Scoutmasters/leadership.

These land gifts give them the economic ability to resist the ABSOLUTE perversion of the socialist left, and that alone is the reason these fag watermelons are unrelenting.

15 posted on 02/01/2009 9:33:56 AM PST by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate, makes a Marxist President.)
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To: Navy Patriot
Over the past 35 years, the council has repeatedly logged the property, collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars. Some of the money helped pay the mortgage on council headquarters in far-off Spokane, a former council board member says.

This is horrible. If the Boy Scouts had any sense of decency they would ask the government to pay their mortgage. Where do they get off doing it themselves and using their own darned resources to pay their bills? They should be ashamed of themselves.

16 posted on 02/01/2009 9:40:06 AM PST by gitmo (I am the latte-sipping, NYT-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, PC, arrogant liberal. -BO)
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To: Navy Patriot

Do you feel strongly about this or is it just my imagination?


17 posted on 02/01/2009 9:45:06 AM PST by northislander
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To: Navy Patriot

I’ll give you ten-to-one odds that Kamb is of the same sexual persuasion as Bwaney Fwank.


18 posted on 02/01/2009 9:46:55 AM PST by RightWingConspirator (Impeach Zerobama and send him home to Kenya!)
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To: Navy Patriot
What's wrong with the Scouts using THEIR land to grow renewable lumber? Is it the non-obstructionist, capitalist flavor that the liberals are choking on? Or is it the fact that a group of Scouts is demonstrating responsible stewardship of the land and still making a profit? Or is it the fact that it is a group of SCOUTS making the money?

Something tells me that if the ACLU was logging a private site for profit, the Lefties wouldn't have a thing to say.

19 posted on 02/01/2009 10:31:38 AM PST by IronJack (=)
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To: Navy Patriot

coordinated, yes.

from Houston Chronicle: Thursday

Boy Scouts sell land where they learned
Campgrounds, other properties from group have been logged
By LEWIS KAMB HEARST NEWSPAPERS
Jan. 29, 2009, 11:14PM


what say you other Freepers from other areas !?


20 posted on 02/01/2009 10:33:05 AM PST by urtax$@work (The best kind of memorial is a Burning Memorial.........)
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To: Navy Patriot

Good grief. Logging the property. That’s horrible! You’re supposed to let all the trees mature, die, and rot, and then have a good, hot forest fire. That’s the envirowhacko way.


21 posted on 02/01/2009 10:39:44 AM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: northislander
Do you feel strongly about this or is it just my imagination?

I have lived near San Francisco for 60 years, I know how the leftie perverts operate.

22 posted on 02/01/2009 10:49:07 AM PST by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate, makes a Marxist President.)
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To: Navy Patriot

Sixty years near Frisco is a lot to take.

Spent twenty-five years in the Golden State and glad to be out of it.


23 posted on 02/01/2009 10:56:17 AM PST by northislander
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To: Cicero
Good grief. Logging the property. That’s horrible! You’re supposed to let all the trees mature, die, and rot, and then have a good, hot forest fire.

Yep, here's Kamb's watermelon whine: "That's enough timber to build roughly 140 two-bedroom homes, one forestry scholar estimated."

How dare they build homes for people? What gall.

24 posted on 02/01/2009 10:59:29 AM PST by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate, makes a Marxist President.)
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To: urtax$@work

What can I say? - from the Philadelphia area. The Boy Scouts are being stalked and attacked with abandon. I wish I was wealthy enough to bankroll the Cradle of Liberty. If there was ever a place that needed a group that teaches decency and honor to young men it is Philadelphia - the city of Brotherly Love.

Could not be prouder of my sons, both proud Eagle Scouts.


25 posted on 02/01/2009 11:02:26 AM PST by Jenny217
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To: Navy Patriot

No doubt about it NP. Taking down the Boy Scouts is second only to taking down our nations churches.


26 posted on 02/01/2009 11:24:21 AM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: FBI cuts off CAIR for contact with Hamas, Obama wants to talk to.)
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To: DoughtyOne

Not that I care what the Scouts do with the land, but I find it ridiculous that no one ever mentions that logging (even clearcutting, which can create meadows, youg timber gorwth, etc.) can be BENEFICIAL if done properly.


27 posted on 02/01/2009 1:06:13 PM PST by MoTiger
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To: MoTiger

I agree. Say, listen to this statement I heard yesterday on an environmentalist show. They were talking about wolves in the upper northwest forests. As an aside they made this comment during the presentation.

“These forests have as diverse a presence of life as the rain forests in South America.” I’m 57 years old, and I had never heard an environmentalist admit that before. What a crackup.


28 posted on 02/01/2009 1:16:59 PM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: FBI cuts off CAIR for contact with Hamas, Obama wants to talk to.)
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To: gitmo
Over the past 35 years, the council has repeatedly logged the property, collecting hundreds of thousands of dollars.

This is clearly selective cutting and not clear cutting . This opens up the forest floor for explosive undergrowth which feeds woodland critters.

Mature forest are barren wastelands as far as foodstuffs for animals.

We select cut the woods on our farm(to pay taxes) every twenty to thirty years and have all sorts of critters and plants(including threatened species which thrive on border edges of woodlands). It allows healthier younger and middle aged trees to full mature and offer greater mast(acorns) and leafage to support wildlife.

The Scouts are managing their lands responsively. IMHO
29 posted on 02/01/2009 1:17:21 PM PST by RedMonqey
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To: MoTiger
...logging (even clearcutting, which can create meadows, youg timber gorwth, etc.) can be BENEFICIAL if done properly.

The problem is, at least in Tennessee, Companies out to make their quarterly reports look good, buy the land, clearcut the whole forrest and leave a barren landscape that won't support any noticeable wilflife for an generation. Those animals able to migrant will put pressure on other habitat resources. The rest die.

Not against responsible land management as we are in the same position as the scouts. See my post 29
30 posted on 02/01/2009 1:27:39 PM PST by RedMonqey
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To: Navy Patriot
A google search of "lewis kamb" and "gay" yields lots of hits. If it's gay, you'll find Lewis Kamb on it. No question about his bias on this issue.
31 posted on 02/01/2009 1:59:40 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Navy Patriot
The scouts insist they manage the wild lands they own with sensitivity and care.

I'm sure they do. But it looks like the man who donated the land intended for the kids to enjoy it, not the loggers.

32 posted on 02/01/2009 2:31:21 PM PST by antiRepublicrat ("I am a firm believer that there are not two sides to every issue..." -- Arianna Huffington)
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To: DoughtyOne
No doubt about it NP. Taking down the Boy Scouts is second only to taking down our nations churches.

If not part of the plan to take down non-Lieberal churches. I know that at least a couple members of my church leadership are former Scouts, and I don't know about the others one way or the other. I wouldn't be at all surprised if most Conservative Christian Churches' leadership have at least a couple of scouts. Eliminating or converting the Boy Scouts would have the same effect on Conservatism as eliminating Liberal Indoctrination Centers (AKA public schools) would have on Liberals.

33 posted on 02/01/2009 2:47:41 PM PST by magslinger (I talk to myself but sometimes I like a third opinion.)
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To: magslinger

I wouldn’t argue with that.


34 posted on 02/01/2009 2:52:17 PM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: FBI cuts off CAIR for contact with Hamas, Obama wants to talk to.)
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To: antiRepublicrat
But it looks like the man who donated the land intended for the kids to enjoy it, not the loggers.

I'm sure that is so, however, almost none leave explicit instructions on how to manage the land for the kids.

All forest land will cycle through periods of improvement, deterioration, and renewal naturally. Proper management can reduce substantially, the deteriorating periods. Logging is one of the positive and acceptable tools of proper management that yields a valuable renewable resource.

The value can be used to cover the expenses of management and renewal. Environazis refuse to allow this proper management and require waste and deterioration of the forests they control.

Absent a proper and workable management plan stipulated on the part of the donor, the Scouts have in most cases initiated their own plan resulting in the best benefit for the kids, as charged.

Finally, environazi groups are also the recipients of donated lands, almost always with the stipulation that they be open to the public. After all is said and done, rarely are these lands opened to the PUBLIC. Rich socialist insiders and politicians abound, but no Joe Ordinary and family. The excuse is always money, not enough to hire supervision, though they are almost always on the tax dole. The Scouts have their lands in use, one way or another, by Joe Ordinary's kids.

35 posted on 02/01/2009 3:31:08 PM PST by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate, makes a Marxist President.)
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To: magslinger
eliminating Liberal Indoctrination Centers (AKA public schools)

Now THERE'S an idea!

36 posted on 02/01/2009 3:32:39 PM PST by Navy Patriot (John McCain, the Manchurian Candidate, makes a Marxist President.)
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To: RedMonqey
The Scouts are managing their lands responsively. IMHO

Of course they are. I was being 200% sarcastic. (I'm an ASM and a life-long scouter myself.)

37 posted on 02/01/2009 4:47:02 PM PST by gitmo (I am the latte-sipping, NYT-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, PC, arrogant liberal. -BO)
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To: Navy Patriot

I don’t have a problem with logging as part of management of the land, all the better if it pays off any costs of managing the land. But if the primary purpose of the land isn’t for the kids, if they keep the land just as a profit maker, then the BSA violated the trust of the donor.


38 posted on 02/01/2009 5:12:47 PM PST by antiRepublicrat ("I am a firm believer that there are not two sides to every issue..." -- Arianna Huffington)
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To: RedMonqey

Note that i said sone properly. I’m not talking about stripping heavily sloped land all the way to the river’s edge.

A coniferous forest like what is likely to be found up in Idaho has a canopy that blocks out light from most everything under it. Claearcutting can give wildlife a place to eat.

Again, I don’t know what they’re doing in TN but there is some land near here in Missouri that was clearcut in the 30’s that now looks pretty much like the old growth I have seen. It’s amazing how the forest can repair itself. Unfortunately the oak borers (exotic beetles) have been spotted in the state recently. Hopefully it won’t hit hte forests as hard as they think it will.


39 posted on 02/01/2009 5:32:54 PM PST by MoTiger
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To: gitmo

Sorry, gitmo. My post was meant as an addition to what Navy Patriot said.

I understood you comments as satire. My bad....


40 posted on 02/01/2009 9:08:39 PM PST by RedMonqey
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To: MoTiger
“Note that i said sone properly.”

Yes I understand but “properly" has different meaning to different people.

If only the companies here would have done an checkerboard type pattern, and allowing for riparian protection zones, I'd have no problem with them harvesting mature trees.

And amazingly, forests do regenerate. Most of the forests visitors see in picturesque settings in Tennessee are not “virgin”. Even the state parkland have been stripped by iron and railroad companies that once flourished here in the 1880's.

41 posted on 02/01/2009 9:17:49 PM PST by RedMonqey
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To: RedMonqey

Noprawb.


42 posted on 02/02/2009 6:06:47 PM PST by gitmo (I am the latte-sipping, NYT-reading, Volvo-driving, no-gun-owning, effete, PC, arrogant liberal. -BO)
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