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Senate Passes SCHIP Bill with Federal (61 a pack) Tobacco Tax Increase (illegal aliens included)
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Posted on 02/01/2009 12:59:50 PM PST by Libloather

Senate Passes SCHIP Bill with Federal Tobacco Tax Increase
January 30, 2009

The U.S. Senate voted 66-32 this week to approve a major expansion of the State Children's Health Insurance Program (SCHIP), funded with a 61-cent-per-pack increase in the federal tobacco tax, Reuters reported Jan. 30.

The $32.8-billion SCHIP bill would expand eligibility for the health-insurance program to an additional 11 million children; about 7.4 million kids are covered by SCHIP now. The measure was passed twice last year, but vetoed both times by President George Bush.

A similar measure has already passed the House of Representatives, and House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said a final vote could come next week after differences between the two bills are ironed out.

Some critics objected to the bill because it would allow states to enroll moderate-income families and does not include a ban on legal immigrants from getting coverage unless they have been in the U.S. for at least five years.


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KEYWORDS: aliens; illegal; immigrantlist; schip; senate; smokers
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Another headline - Senate Passes Measure to Expand SCHIP in Party-line Vote

Not true.

Republicans who crossed the aisle to support the Democratic-written bill were Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Susan Collins (Maine), Bob Corker (Tenn.), Kay Bailey Hutchison (Texas), Richard Lugar (Ind.), Mel Martinez (Fla.), Lisa Murkowski (Alaska), Olympia Snowe (Maine) and Arlen Specter (Pa.).

1 posted on 02/01/2009 12:59:50 PM PST by Libloather
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To: Libloather

So they will tax poor people to give illegal aliens healthcare.


2 posted on 02/01/2009 1:00:56 PM PST by omega4179 (1.20.13 end of an error)
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To: Libloather

Socialism is Socialism is Socialism is Socialism is...

Conservatives don’t vote for it.


3 posted on 02/01/2009 1:03:03 PM PST by DoughtyOne (D1: Home of the golden tag line: FBI cuts off CAIR for contact with Hamas, Obama wants to talk to.)
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To: Libloather

Just what we needed- more spending. Jeesh!


4 posted on 02/01/2009 1:03:41 PM PST by golfisnr1 (Democrats are like roaches - hard to get rid of.)
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To: Libloather

Doesn’t seem very farsighted- financing a program like SCHIP- where the costs are increasing exponentially- with a tax on a product whose popularity and sales is decreasing.


5 posted on 02/01/2009 1:03:42 PM PST by I_Like_Spam
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To: Libloather

The usual gang. Keep this list. I guarantee it’ll be repeated concerning odious legislation yet to come.


6 posted on 02/01/2009 1:04:24 PM PST by Seven plus One
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To: Libloather
Since I'll be paying this tax, I was wondering what "I" get for my tax dollars...

I was actually thinking about growing my own tobacco,
maybe this is the time.

7 posted on 02/01/2009 1:04:49 PM PST by MaxMax (I'll welcome death when God calls me. Until then, the fight is on)
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To: omega4179

Exactly.
I hope all those innercity people that voted from the big 0 will love when a pack goes up a buck and a 40 oz is taxed as well.

We reap what we sow.


8 posted on 02/01/2009 1:05:46 PM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: MaxMax; SheLion

Do you get taxed when you roll your own?

Many FReepers roll. When my hubby smoked, we did. Very cost efficient and the tobacco can be bought with no additives. Better smelling for me when hubby lit up.

SheLion can tell you about it....


9 posted on 02/01/2009 1:07:52 PM PST by netmilsmom (Psalm 109:8 - Let his days be few; and let another take his office)
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To: netmilsmom

I understand that rolling paper, and tobacco in all forms will be taxed more.. including cigars..


10 posted on 02/01/2009 1:10:10 PM PST by JoanneSD (illegals represented without taxation.. Americans taxed without representation)
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To: omega4179
So they will tax poor people to give illegal aliens healthcare.

What poor people are they going to tax?

11 posted on 02/01/2009 1:11:49 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Libloather
Where does it say illegal immigrants will be covered? As I understand it, the current bill allows legal immigrants (green card holders) to be covered without a five-year waiting period.
12 posted on 02/01/2009 1:12:04 PM PST by DeepThought42 (He who dares, wins.)
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To: JoanneSD

I hear tobacco is a weed that will grow easily in your back yard.


13 posted on 02/01/2009 1:12:09 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: DeepThought42

Illegal immigrants are included in the tax, if they smoke.


14 posted on 02/01/2009 1:12:44 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: netmilsmom
Buying cigarettes will decrease and funding for this program will increase. Where will the money come from in the future? We all lose. Not just smokers.
15 posted on 02/01/2009 1:13:58 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Libloather

I’m in FAVOR 61-cent-per-pack increase in the federal tobacco tax. Bigtime. No conservative should support smoking.

I’m not in favor of the spending that comes with this tax increase. Not at all. It’s an expansion of the welfare state.


16 posted on 02/01/2009 1:14:18 PM PST by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: Libloather

I’ll bet 0bama will get his smokes at the PX in order to avoid the tax.


17 posted on 02/01/2009 1:14:52 PM PST by reg45 (Be calm everyone. The idiot child is in charge!)
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To: netmilsmom
SheLion can tell you about it....

Unfortunately, that is not true.

18 posted on 02/01/2009 1:15:19 PM PST by trumandogz (The Democrats are driving us to Socialism at I00 MPH -The GOP is driving us to Socialism at 97.5 MPH)
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To: Libloather

The usual stinking reeking traitors. Lugar also likes a 1 buck a gallon federal tax hike on gasoline.


19 posted on 02/01/2009 1:17:03 PM PST by dforest (life is now good again....he has been inaugurated)
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To: Libloather

Illegal aliens and “children” up to the age of 30! ROTFLMAO!!! How do you guys like the New Amerika “hope” and “change” gig so far?


20 posted on 02/01/2009 1:17:07 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (I wish it was 20 January 2013. I've had enough of this crap already.)
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To: DeepThought42

Oh gee, another new troll.

Howdy troll.


21 posted on 02/01/2009 1:18:24 PM PST by dforest (life is now good again....he has been inaugurated)
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To: proxy_user

What a deal—they pay the tax but don’t get any benefits!


22 posted on 02/01/2009 1:19:09 PM PST by DeepThought42 (He who dares, wins.)
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To: Drango

I don’t smoke either but some day soon it will be something you enjoy.


23 posted on 02/01/2009 1:21:04 PM PST by CindyDawg
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To: Drango
I’m in FAVOR 61-cent-per-pack increase in the federal tobacco tax. Bigtime. No conservative should support smoking.

So you support empowering the nanny state. Sorry, that's not conservative.

Most people who are of your mindset have an unhealthy vice of their own. The only entertaining part of the nanny machine you built is watching it turn on those who created it.

I quit smoking and lost all of the weight, so I'll be watching the machine attack you from the sidelines. Enjoy.
24 posted on 02/01/2009 1:22:03 PM PST by mysterio
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To: indylindy

So you’re a troll if you ask questions? Pardon me if I actually read the legislation (or at least an analysis of it).

Excuse me for dealing in facts.


25 posted on 02/01/2009 1:22:20 PM PST by DeepThought42 (He who dares, wins.)
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To: Libloather
Each State must pass a LAW requiring every student to present a valid certified birth certificate and or resident papers to enter school. Problem solved!
26 posted on 02/01/2009 1:23:52 PM PST by WellyP
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To: DeepThought42

If you don’t know by now that Schip covers illegals and “kids” up to 30 years old, you live in la la land.

How do you know you are dealing in facts if you have to ask questions?


27 posted on 02/01/2009 1:25:17 PM PST by dforest (life is now good again....he has been inaugurated)
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To: omega4179
So they will tax poor people to give illegal aliens healthcare.

It is called "compassion."

Now they can all sleep at night, secure in the knowledge they have Helped People.

28 posted on 02/01/2009 1:26:12 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Communism comes to America: 1/20/2009. Keep your powder dry, folks.)
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To: Libloather

OKAY...everyone.....send this “news” out to all of those you know....with the headline.....”ILLEGAL Aliens and Children up to the AGE of 30 get YOUR TAX DOLLARS”


29 posted on 02/01/2009 1:26:50 PM PST by goodnesswins (Tell the truth - GOEBBELIZATION (propaganda) is what many voters suffer from.....)
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To: indylindy

The tax should have been higher! SCREW anyond stupid enough to smoke!

Funds will only be spent on Citizens and legal residents if, each State passes a LAW requiring every student to present a valid certified birth certificate and or resident papers to enter school. Problem solved!


30 posted on 02/01/2009 1:29:35 PM PST by WellyP
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To: trumandogz

I am proposing that most smokers are mid to lower class just like most lotto players are lower class.


31 posted on 02/01/2009 1:30:43 PM PST by omega4179 (1.20.13 end of an error)
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To: WellyP

uh...are you nuts?


32 posted on 02/01/2009 1:31:39 PM PST by dforest (life is now good again....he has been inaugurated)
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To: Drango

How about a say, $10.00 tax on a box of ammunition? 50 cents on a bottle of beer? Where does it stop?


33 posted on 02/01/2009 1:32:04 PM PST by Dionysius (Jingoism is no vice in these troubled times.)
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To: omega4179

And what are you? High class? Your new POTUS smokes.


34 posted on 02/01/2009 1:33:32 PM PST by dforest (life is now good again....he has been inaugurated)
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To: omega4179

well hoo hah, at least lotto players are honest, no? I mean they are paying to be high class like those folks in DC.


35 posted on 02/01/2009 1:35:05 PM PST by dforest (life is now good again....he has been inaugurated)
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To: Drango
"I simply turn on the Golden EIB Microphone and share my honest passions and beliefs with people. And they're free to go elsewhere. They're free to ignore; they're free to believe; they're free to be entertained, I don't care. They're free to do whatever they want. But a lot of people aren't free to smoke cigarettes where they want; they're not free to drink where they want; they're not free to eat the kind of food they want to eat; they're not free to eat trans fats; they're not free to drive certain places. Pretty soon we're going to be told what kind of cars we have to drive. I can't cause that. I can't restrict anybody's freedom. We've elected a guy who can, does, and wants to, all under the guise of saving us. So I appreciate the effort, and I appreciate somewhat losing my temper here. But don't compare me ever to an authoritarian who thinks so little of people that without him they can barely breathe on their own. Don't ever do that."

LEARN IT, LOVE IT, LIVE IT!

http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_012109/content/01125110.member.html

If one cannot understand Rush's words above, then one does not truly understand FREEDOM!

36 posted on 02/01/2009 1:36:32 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: WellyP

You are totally nuts. Smokers will never fun
d this peogram, they are coming for you!

Just wait.


37 posted on 02/01/2009 1:36:50 PM PST by dforest (life is now good again....he has been inaugurated)
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To: Libloather

So when will this get signed by Obama? When will people have to start paying the extra $0.61/pack? Will this apply to Indian reservation smokes? BTW, what’s the price at which smokers will quit? I’m guessing the gov’t is on the verge of milking this puppy too much.


38 posted on 02/01/2009 1:37:57 PM PST by umgud (I'm really happy I wasn't aborted)
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To: WellyP

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2176340/posts?page=36#36


39 posted on 02/01/2009 1:38:55 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: Libloather

The amount of tax they get already is mind boggling. Here’s an idea, everyone buy the patch, stop. See how long that additional .61 increase lasts. They would be begging people to smoke again, offering tax reductions.


40 posted on 02/01/2009 1:39:35 PM PST by mojitojoe
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To: Drango
I’m in FAVOR 61-cent-per-pack increase in the federal tobacco tax. Bigtime. No conservative should support smoking.

Funding of this program, or any program that is funded by a tobacco tax, is dependent upon people continuing to smoke.

41 posted on 02/01/2009 1:40:01 PM PST by GOPyouth ("Uhhhhhhhhhh." - President B. Hussein Obama)
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To: WellyP
SCREW anyond stupid enough to smoke!

Your favorite hobby is next. Then, we get to call you stupid.

42 posted on 02/01/2009 1:41:29 PM PST by Libloather (February is Liberal, Leftist, Marxist Awareness Month.)
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To: Drango
I’m in FAVOR 61-cent-per-pack increase in the federal tobacco tax. Bigtime. No conservative should support smoking.

How silly and dangerous. It has nothing to do with being conservative.

43 posted on 02/01/2009 1:42:11 PM PST by WHBates
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To: WellyP; Drango

44 posted on 02/01/2009 1:43:12 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: Libloather
This is my kind of guy ...


45 posted on 02/01/2009 1:45:33 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: Libloather
My husband had the company car for a week and then turned it in. A lady with whom he works reported him for smoking a cigar in the car. I got that lady an air freshener spray for Christmas. I doubt she got the message, but you never know.
46 posted on 02/01/2009 1:51:06 PM PST by GOP_Lady
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To: indylindy

BRING IT ON! The object of my statement is to DRIVE people away from smiking and thus, improve their health and the health of any poor child stuck in a smoke filled enviroment!


47 posted on 02/01/2009 1:54:59 PM PST by WellyP
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To: GOP_Lady

I would have charged your charge card for cleaning if ti was required and if there was a NO SMOKING clause in the contract!


48 posted on 02/01/2009 1:57:17 PM PST by WellyP
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To: umgud
Will this apply to Indian reservation smokes?

No.

49 posted on 02/01/2009 2:03:21 PM PST by NoControllingLegalAuthority
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To: indylindy
Never let the facts get in the way of a good arguement.

According the Congressional Research Service analysis of the bill:

(p. 10) CHIPRA (Children’s Health Insurance Program Reauthorization Act) 2009 would permit states to waive certain restrictions which result in a five-year delay for coverage of necessary health services in order to allow states to provide Medicaid or SCHIP coverage to pregnant women and children who are (1) lawfully residing in the United States, and (2) are otherwise eligible for such coverage. . . CHIPRA 2009 would prohibit federal funding for individuals who are not lawfully residing in the United States, and would provide for the disallowance of federal matching funds for erroneous expenditures made on behalf of such individuals under Medicaid and CHIP.

(p. 11) Citizenship Documentation

(The Deficit Reduction Act of 2005 (DRA) requires citizens and nationals applying for Medicaid who claim to be citizens to provide both proof of citizenship and identity. . . . CHIPRA 2009 would provide a specific alternative, which would allow a state to use the Social Security Number (SSN) provided by individuals and verified by the Social Security Administration (SSA) . . (SSNs by themselves do not denote citizenship, because certain noncitizens are eligible for them.) The bill also would also add a requirement for citizenship documentation in SCHIP.

The age limit for adults is a state option, it is not required. Most states do not provide SCHIP funding for adults, but those that do must get a waiver from the federal government.

As far as the taxing of cigarettes, it is one of the few that I approve. Cancer deaths are a huge burden upon the health care system as well as the affected families.

And as far as La La Land, you are right, I live in California.

50 posted on 02/01/2009 2:03:26 PM PST by DeepThought42 (He who dares, wins.)
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